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[amadeus]

what kind of nonsense are you spreading????
Eternal IS forever. Hell is not here. Ughhh you people make me shake my fists in the open air sometimes.

That bad, huh?

 

[Abigail]

No son of man may die for another's sins; the life-soul that sins, dies
No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it...
There is only One Immortal...

Sorry, I don't get the connection. Why did you post that in response to my post?

 

[Abigail]

well Bob, "eternal" does not mean forever, (aion; a space of time, an age) and "hell" is the translation of Norse/Angle scribes, who i guess just had no better concept to translate into
Gehenna is right here on Erets, been there myself even

By your logic that would mean the saved don't have the grace guarantee of eternal life or salvation.

 

[farouk]

By your logic that would mean the saved don't have the grace guarantee of eternal life or salvation.

@Abigail John's First Epistle speaks about assurance very clearly; as does Romans 8. :)

 

[Taken]

I like your first point, that the not everything in the Old Testament applies to me.

As for belivers and unbelievers, I think what is fair for one if fair for the other.

I do not believe, however, in different laws for men and women, except for any dealing with the physical natures of men and women.

I made a point about application.

 

[lforrest]

If the majority of Christians believe something to be true, can we assume it's true?

Let God be true and every man a liar.

 

[HisLife]

Never assume...always test everything...does it line up with the Word? Is it supported by scripture? Does it bear the right fruit?
Is Jesus taught first and foremost above their own doctrine?
Does what they teach lead a person to repentance and salvation?
Those are a few questions to ask...

Sounds nice in theory but the real question is do you apply these things to yourself? Or more importantly, Do you live up to this standard?

 

[bbyrd009]

where do you think the WCF came from??? ::

well, spit em out and let’s see

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry, I don't get the connection. Why did you post that in response to my post?

oh…that’s just some Scripture…

By your logic that would mean the saved don't have the grace guarantee of eternal life or salvation.

well, i am functioning under the Scriptural definition of those terms, as best i understand them, and not the ones we are usually given, so i guess we might be speaking at odds right now. Does eternal mean forever? Strong's Greek: 166. αἰώνιος (aiónios) -- agelong, eternal
Salvation from what?

 

[Taken]

saved from what
was the q

and fwiw i get pretty skeptible when someone uses "unto" @ me

Saved from eternal death separation from God.
Saved unto eternal life with God.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

well, spit em out and let’s see

oh i can do better than that. :cool:
Here is the WCF short catechisms with Biblical verses.
Shorter Catechism of the Assembly of Divines | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind

By the way, are you one of them JW cult folk??

 

[Jim B]

heres some links to explain it.
How can I know that my future sins are forgiven? | GotQuestions.org

Westminster Confessions chpt 11, part 5 states;
“God doth continue to forgive the sins of those that are justified; and, although they can NEVER fall from the state of justification, yet they may, by their sins, fall under God's fatherly displeasure, and not have the light of his countenance restored unto them, until they humble themselves, confess their sins, beg pardon, and renew their faith and repentance.”

once you are saved, nothing can separate you from God, even future sins.

Actually that is not what the Bible says.

"Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in the richness of the olive root, do not boast over the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “The branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear! For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you. Notice therefore the kindness and harshness of God—harshness toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?" Romans 11:17-24 NET v2.1

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Actually that is not what the Bible says.

"Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in the richness of the olive root, do not boast over the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “The branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear! For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you. Notice therefore the kindness and harshness of God—harshness toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?" Romans 11:17-24 NET v2.1

actually it is. OSAS is Biblical.
From john MacArthur:
“True believers will persevere in faith to the end. Often that doctrine is called the “doctrine of eternal security.” Sometimes it’s sort of cryptically said, “Once saved, always saved.” And, of course, all of those things are true.
I want you to understand that this is a historic doctrine. I pointed out last time that it’s the most important component of salvation, because if salvation were not permanent, then the doctrine of election would be called into question; the doctrine of justification would be called into question; the doctrine of sanctification would be called into question; and the doctrine of glorification would be called into question; the calling of God would be called into question; and therefore, the work of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit would all be called into question as well.”

the WCF is 100% Biblical.

 

[Jim B]

actually it is. OSAS is Biblical.
From john MacArthur:
“True believers will persevere in faith to the end. Often that doctrine is called the “doctrine of eternal security.” Sometimes it’s sort of cryptically said, “Once saved, always saved.” And, of course, all of those things are true.
I want you to understand that this is a historic doctrine. I pointed out last time that it’s the most important component of salvation, because if salvation were not permanent, then the doctrine of election would be called into question; the doctrine of justification would be called into question; the doctrine of sanctification would be called into question; and the doctrine of glorification would be called into question; the calling of God would be called into question; and therefore, the work of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit would all be called into question as well.”

the WCF is 100% Biblical.

The Bible is 100% Biblical. Not John MacArthur. Not the WCF. The Bible only.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

The Bible is 100% Biblical. Not John MacArthur. Not the WCF. The Bible only.

they both say what the Bible says.

 

[Jim B]

they both say what the Bible says.

I didn't realize that John MacArthur wrote the Bible.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I didn't realize that John MacArthur wrote the Bible.

he didnt, he merely states what it says.

 

[Jim B]

he didnt, he merely states what it says.

As do we all.

Again, "Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in the richness of the olive root, do not boast over the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “The branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear! For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you. Notice therefore the kindness and harshness of God—harshness toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?" Romans 11:17-24 NET v2.1

If John MacArthur disagrees with the above, who is correct, he or Paul?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

As do we all.

Again, "Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among them and participated in the richness of the olive root, do not boast over the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “The branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted! They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but fear! For if God did not spare the natural branches, perhaps he will not spare you. Notice therefore the kindness and harshness of God—harshness toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness toward you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And even they—if they do not continue in their unbelief—will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree?" Romans 11:17-24 NET v2.1

If John MacArthur disagrees with the above, who is correct, he or Paul?

ahhh i see where your mistake is. You’re assuming it means something it doesnt. In other words, you're trying to put paul up against john macarthur, when in reality, it should be you vs what paul said. Macarthur is a preacher, that means he was chosen by God to instruct others, you werent. So the problem isnt with paul or macarthur, its with your interpretation.

 

[Cassandra]

Macarthur is a preacher, that means he was chosen by God to instruct others, you werent.

There are a ton of preachers on tv who preach, but after listening to them, you know they weren't chosen by God.

And forgive me if I'm wrong here, but aren't you the one who is always posting about being worried about your salvation?

So are you posting this stuff to convince yourself it is right , even though you question it a lot, and this gives you some assurance?
I would think a Calvinist would be sure of their salvation.
If you are not the one who has posted the worry about salvation, then I apologize.

This was from you yesterday:


Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?