GEN2REV
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Every single promise God made in the Bible is conditional.
You should read it sometime.
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
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You should read it sometime.
amigo de christo
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Often when the word IF appears in scripture , what follows it is twisted and ignored , changed to fit the mindset
of he or she who disagrees with what follows that IF . Just a friendly reminder .
But i say , WHEN IF appears , TAKE HEED to what follows it . TAKE HEED UNTO ALL that was written for our learning .
of he or she who disagrees with what follows that IF . Just a friendly reminder .
But i say , WHEN IF appears , TAKE HEED to what follows it . TAKE HEED UNTO ALL that was written for our learning .
Eternally Grateful
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When God says never, he means never
When God says forever, He means forever
When God says eternal. He means eternal.
The abrahamic covenant was unconditional.
So when you claim every promise is conditional. you are proven wrong in the first book of the bible
Instead of judging people. You should read the bible yourself.
amigo de christo
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Just like when JESUS said but HE who believes NOT SHALL be DAMNED .
YEt i see a generation TRYING TO teach otherwise . And its spreading very fast now .
I say We better cling to the one true gospel that was delivered at the first and let none
be moved away into another false universal one .
Eternally Grateful
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sadly some cant get out of their own way, they trip over themselves
amigo de christo
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When folks allow POPE francis and these other men to tie their shoe laces , expect nothing but a fall is all i can say .
Cause the all inclusive lace that is getting tied unto feet has both feet tied and they are tied one to the other .
Cant RUN a race like that .
Eternally Grateful
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they somehow think they can earn a spot n the train to heaven. They will get a rude awakening when the day comes and they are left behind and instead of being resurrected by Christ, are delivered to him for judgment,
Your point is, if there is no law like the ten commandments, then it would be impossible to sin today.
Yes, it is true if no law, then there can be no sin.
Here is where you err.
The old Mosaical law was nailed to His cross,
Colossians 2:14.
So today we are under law.
That law is Christs new will and testament.
Jesus' new covenant.
The law of Christ!
Galatians 6:2,
Bear one another's burdens and so fullfil the law of Christ.
This law is how we sin today,
James 1:25
But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
1John 3:4 is teaching the law of Christ not the old Mosaical law.
Paul teaches there are two laws.
The first is no longer binding on the jews(it never was binding to gentiles).
The new law Christ established is binding on all today,
Romans 8:2,
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (this is the new covenant law of Jesus)
Has made me free from the law of sin and death (this is the old law of Moses)
Paul explains in Romans 8:2 that we are under the law of Christ, it frees us from the old Mosaical law of sin and death.
So, Sir, since you try and keep the old law.
You can only receive sin and death!
Christ's new law is what can only set you free!
Gen2Rev, you are cursed as long as you try to keep the old law,
Galatians 3:10,
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
Paul said in Romans 15 that those who worried about “ what to eat” or “what day to worship” wore merely “ Weak Christians”
An Unconfused Believer knows that EVERY DAY is a SABBATH .....The Sabbath Day was so important because it was a Shadow of what was to come......we are to “ Sabbath” or “REST”, in the Finished Work Of The Cross.... If you are not “ Sabbathing” in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4, God declares you guilty of Unbelief—— Comparable to the Faithless Jews who were afraid to enter the Promised Land....They languished for many years in the desert, and later died there.....You wanna be like them? You already are....
None of your dramatic, IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP, this 'n' that nonsense.
“ Nonsense?” ......What a poor “ student” of the Word you are....
“ Why do you tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of Believers which neither WE nor our Fathers were able to bear ? On the contrary ,we believe that it is through the * GRACE* of the Lord Jesus that we are SAVED, just as they are”
One little verse destroys your entire Fake and Perverted “ Doctrine”..... A wise man would shut his mouth right about now.....
You ever cook a meal on Sunday? TRUE Sabbath Observing Jews prepared ALL the food the day before.....how about you, you Sabbath breaker? One could not even make a SPARK on the Sabbath Day.....you ever drive a car on Sundays? Did you know it runs on a Spark from a spark plug? You post as if Bible Ignorance were a Virtue...You are becoming more of a joke every day in here because of your ignorance....a sad joke....
I'm pretty sure he's the one who admitted he preaches Super Hyper-Grace. (his words)
So, yes, he believes Christians have no part whatsoever in their Salvation despite the fact Jesus tells us that "many are called, but few are chosen."
Not 100% certain but this sure “ SOUNDS” like me.....
Christians * DO* play a Part in their Salvation....There is One Thing that they MUST DO! Ask.
“ Anybody that ASKS for Mercy shall receive it”
“ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED”
......it worked for me...it’s a Promise Of God ....it will work for you....
So, yes, he believes Christians have no part whatsoever in their Salvation despite the fact Jesus tells us that "many are called, but few are chosen."
Not 100% certain but this sure “ SOUNDS” like me.....
Christians * DO* play a Part in their Salvation....There is One Thing that they MUST DO! Ask.
“ Anybody that ASKS for Mercy shall receive it”
“ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED”
......it worked for me...it’s a Promise Of God ....it will work for you....
.....and for more details about you True wretchedness before a Holy God —- check out the First Chapter Of Romans.....
I have trouble believing the Lord would command us to do the impossible. Is it so hard to obey a few commandments?
“ Why do you put such a burden on the backs of our Brothers —— a Burden That neither We nor our Fathers could obey....”
“ Why do you put such a burden on the backs of our Brothers —— a Burden That neither We nor our Fathers could obey....”
Every single promise God made in the Bible is conditional.
Think again,Chester ....The Promises That God made to Abraham about the Promised Land Being His and about his descendants being as numerous as the stars in the sky were both UNCONDITIONAL ....There was no “ I will” followed by a “ you must”.....
God even went on to say that even if they were rebellious and Disobedient, ignoring His Commandments, He would Punish Them But He would Never take away any of the Promises....there were “ no strings attached” ....He would keep His Promises to Abraham and Israel forever....no matter WHAT they did.....There are also many other Unconditional Promises from God...read your Bible...
Think again,Chester ....The Promises That God made to Abraham about the Promised Land Being His and about his descendants being as numerous as the stars in the sky were both UNCONDITIONAL ....There was no “ I will” followed by a “ you must”.....
God even went on to say that even if they were rebellious and Disobedient, ignoring His Commandments, He would Punish Them But He would Never take away any of the Promises....there were “ no strings attached” ....He would keep His Promises to Abraham and Israel forever....no matter WHAT they did.....There are also many other Unconditional Promises from God...read your Bible...
mailmandan
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It’s only ridiculous to misguided teachers of the law. You are reading this verse out of context. All anyone needs to do is to read the next verse. Acts 21:25. - “As touching the Gentiles which BELIEVE, we have written and CONCLUDED that THEY observe no such thing, (Back in Acts chapter 15 this matter of whether or not the Gentile Christians should keep the Law of Moses was SETTLED once and for all time that NO SUCH COMMANDMENT should be given to ANY Gentile Christians for them to keep the Law of Moses) save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.”
So all the effort to try and pull off this charade to pretend to keep the Law of Moses to avoid persecution from the unsaved Jews did not work. Paul was WARNED two times by the Holy Spirit to NOT come up to Jerusalem but he did not take heed to those warnings. Rather, Paul told those, who by the Holy Spirit warned him to not go to Jerusalem, that he was ready to be bound and even to be killed for the sake of the GOSPEL.. So Paul has not flawlessly obeyed the law and neither have you.
There is more to the Law of Moses than just the 10 commandments and in regards to the 10 commandments, Paul said in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
Now getting back to my question. Show me in the New Testament where Paul commands the Church/the body of Christ to keep the sabbath day. I’ll be waiting and in the mean time I’ll be reading Colossians 2:16-17.
Ferris Bueller
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In Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, none of the righteous works that constitute finding and walking on the straight and narrow path of life earned that life as reward of debt. You don't receive life by being obedient to God's commands. You enjoy the life you have by being obedient to God's commands. Few find God's eternal life, and among them few walk in the fullness of it. It's my opinion that most Christians spend the bulk of their time as Christians in the 3rd kind of soil; the soil in which the word of God is choked out and not able to flourish because of the worries and pleasures of life.
GEN2REV
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I hope that you will set any personal opinions of me aside and pay close attention to the information I am about to provide in this post; it is far from the first time I have posted these corrections to what you have presented here, and I'm pretty sure it's not the first time with you specifically. If you ignore the proof from Scripture that I present here, you are not here in sincerity, but here with an agenda.
We see here all the way back in Exodus and Deuteronomy that the 10 Commandments were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant which was a symbol of the heart of man, ...
Exodus 25:16
... while the Law of Ordinances, of sacrificial preparations, washings, etc., was placed on the side of the Ark; outside the Ark.
Deuteronomy 31:26
One Law was permanent, one was not. One was written in Stone, one was not.
"The Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony (covenant) of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."
Psalms 19:7
A covenant is forever. The covenant God made with man on Mt. Sinai was forever.
When we obey the 10 Commandments, our soul is gradually converted to the image of Christ.
The Bible tells us that in the last days the love of many will grow cold, and why? Because iniquity (sin/the breaking of the Commandments of God) will abound. Just as you and so many here are preaching not to obey God's Commandments.
You are not at all alone, and if you continue your agenda here, you will not be alone in the Judgment.
No. What was nailed to the Cross was the Law of Ordinances, just as it states in your verse there. As Hebrews 9:10 makes clear, the Ordinances entailed the sacrificial preparations of meats and drinks and various washings, etc. These were carnal ordinances; external considerations. The 10 Commandments are spiritual, they are internal; written inside the hearts of those who are called.
We see here all the way back in Exodus and Deuteronomy that the 10 Commandments were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant which was a symbol of the heart of man, ...
Exodus 25:16
... while the Law of Ordinances, of sacrificial preparations, washings, etc., was placed on the side of the Ark; outside the Ark.
Deuteronomy 31:26
One Law was permanent, one was not. One was written in Stone, one was not.
If this were true, we would have no references to the Perfect Law in the OT. That is not the case.
"The Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony (covenant) of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."
Psalms 19:7
A covenant is forever. The covenant God made with man on Mt. Sinai was forever.
When we obey the 10 Commandments, our soul is gradually converted to the image of Christ.
The Law of Christ is the Law of the Father. Just as Christ obeyed it all. John 15:10 Christ cannot do anything that is not of the Father. John 5:19 John 5:30 If Christ can do nothing of His own accord, then He cannot change the Laws of His Father, to make them different, or less. He and the Father are one in thought, word and deed; John 10:30 they have the exact same plans and intentions.
Nowhere will you find any verse claiming that Christ's Law is new, nor different than His Father's. If He was going to preach a New Law, He would've adhered to a New Law. He did not. John 15:10 We are to live just as Jesus lived; to obey all the Commandments that He obeyed. 1 John 2:6 And He sends us His Spirit to assist us in doing so. John 14:21-23 And those who do not love Christ will not keep His Commandments, and His Commandments are His Father's Commandments. John 14:24
It's a real shame that so many are brainwashed to believe this today when the Bible teaches no such thing. Obeying the 10 Commandments is not works - as the Holy Spirit works within us to accomplish these things in concert with our submission. And it is those who do not obey the 10 Commandments who are cursed. Many, many fall into that category.
The Bible tells us that in the last days the love of many will grow cold, and why? Because iniquity (sin/the breaking of the Commandments of God) will abound. Just as you and so many here are preaching not to obey God's Commandments.
You are not at all alone, and if you continue your agenda here, you will not be alone in the Judgment.
Jim B
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Here are some verses you may want to ponder...
Romans 6:15b, "Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?"
Romans 7:4, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."
Romans 7:6, "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code."
1 Corinthians 9:20, "To the Jews I became like a Jew to gain the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law) to gain those under the law."
Galatians 3:10, "For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”
Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
Why is it so difficult for you to understand the difference between the two covenants? => Christians live by the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant <= If you live by the law you are denying Christ!
I asked you to give me the new testament scripture where Paul commands christians to keep the Sabbath.
You instead give me your interpretation of scriptures that give no commandments for Christians to keep the 10 commandments.
The old covenant was made with the Jews! Not with anyone else!
The old covenant is not perfect!
The new covenant of Christ is perfect!
The new testament gives specific information on not keeping the Sabbath!
Colossians 2:16,
So let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or new moons or sabbaths.
I have already proven you do not keep the Sabbath Sir.
Offerings of grain and animal were commanded on the Sabbath.
You can claim no offerings are a part of the Sabbath.
You must ignore Gods instruction in the OT to do so.
The old covenant ALL of it has ended! btw, it was never for gentiles.
Hebrews 8:1-13
-4 for if He were on earth, He would not be a high priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
-5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.
Notice: What was Moses shown on the mountain? Answer the 10 commandments.
Now you are going to learn that this old law is NO MORE IN EFFECT!
-7 for if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Gen2Rev, Sir, you still going to claim the first covenant is perfect? Not according to scripture!!!!
You need to study the whole chapter of Hebrews 8.
Look at the last verse,
-13 In that He says, A New covenant He has made the first obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
You do err not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God, Matthew 22:29
You Sabbatarians claim only part of the old law is to be kept today.
Paul taught that if one keeps any of the old law he must keep it all perfectly!
Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in ALL THINGS which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
You cannot cherry pick out of the old covenant what you want to follow today.
You and anyone else whom tries to bind the old law of Moses on christians are cursed.
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