If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[Phoneman777]

Isn't gambling a sin? ;-)

Yes, but I'm demonstrating absurdity by being absurd like ol' Limbaugh says ;)

 

[Phoneman777]

Another moronic, ill-researched post - what a surprise . . . Before you go around betting a "bazillion" dollars - do your homework. NEITHER will the Church tell you that you're going to Hell, as you falsely claimed.

Are you able to find just one priest who will say I'm heaven bound after reading those strong indictments I listed? I'd like to know from you, please.

As to your pathetic ignorance of Scripture, the Beast and the Whore of Babylon are two DIFFERENT entities - so they can't BOTH be the Church, Einstein.

I never said the Beast and the Whore of Babylon are the same, as the following demonstrates:

• In Revelation 13, the First Beast symbolizes the papacy - the union of the counterfeit church and the secular state.

1. In Revelation 17, following the prophetic principle of "repetition and enlargement" where additional details are added to the symbolism of Revelation 13, the Whore of Babylon symbolizes the counterfeit church
2. In Revelation 17, the Seven-headed Beast upon which the Whore of Babylon sits symbolizes the key secular powers over which the Whore of Babylon exercises control - just as the Babylonian sun god Baal priestess Jezebel controlled King Ahab.

Finally, as to pedophiles - they are everywhere - even in YOUR neck of the woods . . .

I've already told you your links are propagandist garbage. The facts are that the RCC for centuries has operated so effectively such a sophisticated network designed to conceal child sexual predator priests that only time and eternity will reveal the extent of RCC pedophile priest sexual assault and abuse - because poor Catholic adults are so completely brainwashed into rendering unreasonable loyalties to the RCC that they are easily pressured into silence. Richard Sipe's 30+ years experience says SIX PERCENT of priests act out with child sexual assault - while the Protestant-hating liberal news media searches anxiously but can barely find any reports at all of Protestant child sexual abuse.

 

[aspen]

https://religionnews.com/2015/12/07/spotlight-its-not-just-a-catholic-problem/

 

[zipzaddle]

The Protestant's Reformation seems to be about the time of the printing press. The Bible became more accessible to the public. Because of this some people realized the Catholic Church was using God's Word in an unjust, dishonest, or immoral way. These people decided to try and find the truth. Many denominations came out of the reformation period.

Some things the Catholic Church does is contradiction to God's Word, but is still kept among the denominations that split.

Idol worship is one. How many churches today worship idols (symbols made by hand)? And could the cross be considered idol worship? Most Christians would say no, but do they even need it? Of course they don't need it in the church, so why have it in the church? Do some churches not have idols?
Yes, some churches keep the church without idols.

Tithing is another? Is this something in the New Testament or did the Apostles say give it all? Of course they did, so why giving 10%? Ancient Israel gave 10% to support the temple and priests. Are we living in Ancient Israel and support a temple and priests? Of course not, so why 10%? Does not God own it all and will give as He sees who is a faithful servant? Of course He does? Would someone have a church and not ask for money?
Yes, there are Pastors who do this.

Commercialism of God's Word is another. Did the Apostles sell their books or hand them out freely? Of course they were free so why such a large market for Christian products? Maybe the money is motivation and not the desire to help people? Would someone write for free just to help others?
Yes, there are people that do this.

I think it is for the Christian to decide. I don't believe any church is perfect and usually when someone hates it is because of personal feelings. Jesus was preaching in what he called "The Synagogue of Satan" and "Chased out the money changers". Why would you need to teach in a perfect church? If you are the light what is the most needed place for you to go? In the darkness and some of these churches are very dark. They might hate you but that is on them. The Jews hated the prophets and they hated Jesus what makes you think they won't hate you? But you don't want hate them.

The Protestants should all go over to a Catholic Mass and in the middle of the service, stand up and start singing "Our God is an Awesome God". That would be awesome.

 

[brakelite]

Using this behavior to judge instead of reform is just perpetuating the problem - passing the buck.

The reformation is incorrectly named. Luther and other like-minded individuals sought to reform the church, but the church refused to be reformed and rejected their message.

Finally, as to pedophiles - they are everywhere

Which is why I believe the RCC is beyond reform. Problem is so ingrained, so rife, so global, the only solution to any well meaning Christian within that organisation is to leave it, rather than allow their children to be targeted and become possible victims. I wonder often that because of the fact that such perversion is so all pervasive now in the church, if parents are not now equally responsible along with the priests by deliberately exposing their children to the problem by remaining in the church. Of course, I fully understand why they don't leave, because the church rams down the throat of its members that to leave the church is to condemn yourself and your family to hell....fear is such a motivator right?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=450139608814180

The inquiry thus summarized above is merely the tip of a very ugly ice-berg. That inquiry just covered one state, a few parishes. Yet we all know that this issue is global in nature. Chile, Argentina, Canada, Ireland, Australia, are all countries that have been the news just recently for all the wrong reasons. And it isn't just a recent issue. Native Americans in both the US and Canada have been complaining of these things for over 100 years.
I am not judging individuals aspen, but no where does God even come close to warning me against judging a church or any organization, whether secular or religious, that is so corrupt, so evil, that this wickedness has been allowed to not only continue for so long, but deliberately hidden and the victims paid off or threatened to stay quiet in order to protect the perpetrators and the church.
In my upbringing as a Catholic, and especially in the few years I was an alter boy and in close contact with the local presbytery, I thank God I was never a victim of such behaviour, nor did I ever know of anyone personally who was. That does not mean however that it didn't take place. My older sister, after attending a Catholic boarding school, gave up any faith in God whatever the moment she left school. She refuses resolutely to discuss her past, and refuses to talk on any topic related to the church or faith. She has never, ever, offered an explanation why. I have often wondered....

 

[Triumph1300]

And could the cross be considered idol worship?

If there was no cross there would be nothing.
It's all about what He did at the cross.

 

[Triumph1300]

The Protestant's Reformation seems to be about the time of the printing press. The Bible became more accessible to the public.

Actually 99% of the people could not read and write when the first bibles came off the printing press.
Some of the priests could not read.
And accessible? I say no, because most people were so poor they couldn't even buy a bible.

 

[BobRyan]

This thread has such a generalized title/subject that almost any topic on something you don't or do like about the RCC qualifies.

 

[Triumph1300]

I am at the point that I don't really care one way or the other.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you able to find just one priest who will say I'm heaven bound after reading those strong indictments I listed? I'd like to know from you, please.

No - I, personally don't know ONE single priest who will tell you that you are going to Heaven OR Hell.

That is up to GOD to decide - not man.

I never said the Beast and the Whore of Babylon are the same, as the following demonstrates:

• In Revelation 13, the First Beast symbolizes the papacy - the union of the counterfeit church and the secular state.

1. In Revelation 17, following the prophetic principle of "repetition and enlargement" where additional details are added to the symbolism of Revelation 13, the Whore of Babylon symbolizes the counterfeit church
2. In Revelation 17, the Seven-headed Beast upon which the Whore of Babylon sits symbolizes the key secular powers over which the Whore of Babylon exercises control - just as the Babylonian sun god Baal priestess Jezebel controlled King Ahab.

And most reputable Protestant scholars will tell you that the "Whore of Babylon" is apostate Jerusalem.
Are YOU correct - and all of them incorrect??

I've already told you your links are propagandist garbage.

The facts are that the RCC for centuries has operated so effectively such a sophisticated network designed to conceal child sexual predator priests that only time and eternity will reveal the extent of RCC pedophile priest sexual assault and abuse - because poor Catholic adults are so completely brainwashed into rendering unreasonable loyalties to the RCC that they are easily pressured into silence. Richard Sipe's 30+ years experience says SIX PERCENT of priests act out with child sexual assault - while the Protestant-hating liberal news media searches anxiously but can barely find any reports at all of Protestant child sexual abuse.

Of COURSE you're going to tell me that they are "garbage" because they destroy your argument.

Like I said - ALL of the sources I gave you are either PROTESTANT or secular - but NONE of them are Catholic. And, as I educated you earlier - the profile of the stereotypical pedophile is a MARRIED Man, like we have in your Protestant sects . . .

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

 

[BreadOfLife]

Which is why I believe the RCC is beyond reform. Problem is so ingrained, so rife, so global, the only solution to any well meaning Christian within that organisation is to leave it, rather than allow their children to be targeted and become possible victims. I wonder often that because of the fact that such perversion is so all pervasive now in the church, if parents are not now equally responsible along with the priests by deliberately exposing their children to the problem by remaining in the church. Of course, I fully understand why they don't leave, because the church rams down the throat of its members that to leave the church is to condemn yourself and your family to hell....fear is such a motivator right?

The inquiry thus summarized above is merely the tip of a very ugly ice-berg. That inquiry just covered one state, a few parishes. Yet we all know that this issue is global in nature. Chile, Argentina, Canada, Ireland, Australia, are all countries that have been the news just recently for all the wrong reasons. And it isn't just a recent issue. Native Americans in both the US and Canada have been complaining of these things for over 100 years.
I am not judging individuals aspen, but no where does God even come close to warning me against judging a church or any organization, whether secular or religious, that is so corrupt, so evil, that this wickedness has been allowed to not only continue for so long, but deliberately hidden and the victims paid off or threatened to stay quiet in order to protect the perpetrators and the church.
In my upbringing as a Catholic, and especially in the few years I was an alter boy and in close contact with the local presbytery, I thank God I was never a victim of such behaviour, nor did I ever know of anyone personally who was. That does not mean however that it didn't take place. My older sister, after attending a Catholic boarding school, gave up any faith in God whatever the moment she left school. She refuses resolutely to discuss her past, and refuses to talk on any topic related to the church or faith. She has never, ever, offered an explanation why. I have often wondered....

This is a perfect example of a person without faith in the power of God.
NOTHING and NOBODY is beyond reformation or renewal.

The problem happening within the Catholic Church - AND the Protestant groups is a matter of individual sin. I don't blame ALL Lutherans or Evangelicals or Methodists or Baptists because of the sins of SOME within their ranks. The individuals are to blame - and NO individual is beyond hope.

 

[brakelite]

I agree @BreadOfLife that there is hope for any individual who is willing to repent and come to Christ for salvation. But institutions BoL are not subject to redemption. Even individuals have to die before being born again.
Jesus's own recommendation to the Laodicean church was not for the church to reform, but for individuals within that church to repent and be clothed with the righteousness of Christ. If all the individuals had done so, the church, the institution, would have changed. Some institutions however will never change... they see no reason to.

 

[aspen]

The Protestant's Reformation seems to be about the time of the printing press. The Bible became more accessible to the public. Because of this some people realized the Catholic Church was using God's Word in an unjust, dishonest, or immoral way. These people decided to try and find the truth. Many denominations came out of the reformation period.

Some things the Catholic Church does is contradiction to God's Word, but is still kept among the denominations that split.

Idol worship is one. How many churches today worship idols (symbols made by hand)? And could the cross be considered idol worship? Most Christians would say no, but do they even need it? Of course they don't need it in the church, so why have it in the church? Do some churches not have idols?
Yes, some churches keep the church without idols.

Tithing is another? Is this something in the New Testament or did the Apostles say give it all? Of course they did, so why giving 10%? Ancient Israel gave 10% to support the temple and priests. Are we living in Ancient Israel and support a temple and priests? Of course not, so why 10%? Does not God own it all and will give as He sees who is a faithful servant? Of course He does? Would someone have a church and not ask for money?
Yes, there are Pastors who do this.

Commercialism of God's Word is another. Did the Apostles sell their books or hand them out freely? Of course they were free so why such a large market for Christian products? Maybe the money is motivation and not the desire to help people? Would someone write for free just to help others?
Yes, there are people that do this.

I think it is for the Christian to decide. I don't believe any church is perfect and usually when someone hates it is because of personal feelings. Jesus was preaching in what he called "The Synagogue of Satan" and "Chased out the money changers". Why would you need to teach in a perfect church? If you are the light what is the most needed place for you to go? In the darkness and some of these churches are very dark. They might hate you but that is on them. The Jews hated the prophets and they hated Jesus what makes you think they won't hate you? But you don't want hate them.

The Protestants should all go over to a Catholic Mass and in the middle of the service, stand up and start singing "Our God is an Awesome God". That would be awesome.

Bible worship is another

 

[brakelite]

And most reputable Protestant scholars will tell you that the "Whore of Babylon" is apostate Jerusalem.

They are wrong. I will tell you why. The NT Babylon is not a literal City, it is a spiritual entity. Nor is it situated in a local precinct, but global. But the character of Babylon hasn't changed. She still is The enemy to God's people. She is still steeped in idolatry. She is still proud and using the holy things of God in ways that dishonor and misrepresent Him, just as Belshazzar did the night of his great feast before Babylon was taken over by her enemies.
The same criteria must apply to the NT prophetic version of Jerusalem. And just as Babylon is a metaphor for the kingdom of Babylon, so is Jerusalem a metaphor for Israel. So in prophecy we have two entities... spiritual Babylon the Great, mother of harlots, and spiritual Israel, representative of God people, his true church, which is not any one single denomination, but made up of individual people of many denominations, not excluding even Babylon, which is why God calls his people out of that entity.
Literal Israel and literal Jerusalem play no part in end time prophecy, despite the inventions of 16th or17th century Jesuits who taught different. The so called reputable Protestant scholars are mere tools in the hands of those who have a deep personal interest in hiding the true identity of Babylon the great from the masses.

 

[aspen]

The reformation is incorrectly named. Luther and other like-minded individuals sought to reform the church, but the church refused to be reformed and rejected their message.

Which is why I believe the RCC is beyond reform. Problem is so ingrained, so rife, so global, the only solution to any well meaning Christian within that organisation is to leave it, rather than allow their children to be targeted and become possible victims. I wonder often that because of the fact that such perversion is so all pervasive now in the church, if parents are not now equally responsible along with the priests by deliberately exposing their children to the problem by remaining in the church. Of course, I fully understand why they don't leave, because the church rams down the throat of its members that to leave the church is to condemn yourself and your family to hell....fear is such a motivator right?

The inquiry thus summarized above is merely the tip of a very ugly ice-berg. That inquiry just covered one state, a few parishes. Yet we all know that this issue is global in nature. Chile, Argentina, Canada, Ireland, Australia, are all countries that have been the news just recently for all the wrong reasons. And it isn't just a recent issue. Native Americans in both the US and Canada have been complaining of these things for over 100 years.
I am not judging individuals aspen, but no where does God even come close to warning me against judging a church or any organization, whether secular or religious, that is so corrupt, so evil, that this wickedness has been allowed to not only continue for so long, but deliberately hidden and the victims paid off or threatened to stay quiet in order to protect the perpetrators and the church.
In my upbringing as a Catholic, and especially in the few years I was an alter boy and in close contact with the local presbytery, I thank God I was never a victim of such behaviour, nor did I ever know of anyone personally who was. That does not mean however that it didn't take place. My older sister, after attending a Catholic boarding school, gave up any faith in God whatever the moment she left school. She refuses resolutely to discuss her past, and refuses to talk on any topic related to the church or faith. She has never, ever, offered an explanation why. I have often wondered....

So do you or did you homeschool your children? Did you attend all church events with them? What guarantees can you give me that your church is not going to molest my kids?

 

[Phoneman777]

No - I, personally don't know ONE single priest who will tell you that you are going to Heaven OR Hell.

Millions of God's faithful were condemned to an eternity of damnation for refusing to bow to the authority of your popes - as I do this day - and yet you fail to admit that in the eyes of your pedophile papal priesthood I am worthy of the same?

And most reputable Protestant scholars will tell you that the "Whore of Babylon" is apostate Jerusalem.

I don't follow "most" Protestant scholars whose eschatological beliefs are Jesuit Futurism. I follow Historicism, which is Biblical, historically accurate, and will stand as eternal truth long after the papacy is cast into the Lake of Fire along with the Dragon and the False Prophet.

Of COURSE you're going to tell me that they are "garbage" because they destroy your argument.

Propagandist garbage has no ability to destroy anything - except the lives of countless Catholic children when it is used to pressure the parents of these poor, victimized, emotionally wrecked children into silence...which silence prevents Graham's grandson - and anyone else for that matter - from making any credible comparison whatsoever due to the inability of anyone outside the RCC to accurately ascertain the full extent of RCC child sex abuse incidents. Conversely, the loyalties of Protestants lie with Jesus Christ, not church leadership, when child sex abuse is discovered in our midst and is why if it really occurred as often as your propagandist garbage links claim, it would be splattered all over the fruited plain.

Like I said - ALL of the sources I gave you are either PROTESTANT or secular - but NONE of them are Catholic.

I'm like a mosquito in a nudist colony wondering just where do I start???

• It is widely known by those who actually do research that Billy Graham's "Protestantism" is at BEST questionable, and at worst, a front for Luciferianism.
• Irreligious liberal journalists HATE fundamentalist Protestantism more than anything else and are all to willing to publish "fake news" in an attempt to cast dispersion upon us.
• I refuse to allow you to steer the debate away from the most damning evidence for your "sex abuse in Protestantism worse than the RCC" argument: the fact that the RCC has been completely exposed as operating a sophisticated, clandestine network of child sex abuse which enables, covers up, and protects those who actively sexually abuse children - a disgustingly dubious reality that is found to exist absolutely no where in the entire Protestant world - which reduces your argument to the equivalent of comparing the rap sheet of a John Q. Purse Snatcher to a Don Corleone.

 

[aspen]

Millions of God's faithful were condemned to an eternity of damnation for refusing to bow to the authority of your popes - as I do this day - and yet you fail to admit that in the eyes of your pedophile papal priesthood I am worthy of the same?
I don't follow "most" Protestant scholars whose eschatological beliefs are Jesuit Futurism. I follow Historicism, which is Biblical, historically accurate, and will stand as eternal truth long after the papacy is cast into the Lake of Fire along with the Dragon and the False Prophet.

Propagandist garbage has no ability to destroy anything - except the lives of countless Catholic children when it is used to pressure the parents of these poor, victimized, emotionally wrecked children into silence...which silence prevents Graham's grandson - and anyone else for that matter - from making any credible comparison whatsoever. What is known is that the loyalties of Protestants lie with Jesus - not with our Generals Conference leadership as in the case of you brainwashed Catholics - and the best hope of any Protestant church child sex abusers is that the police get a hold of him before the congregation does which is why you never hear of Protestant cases in the news (while it occurs so often in the RCC that they could host a reality show called "The Biggest Abuser" and never run out of contestants.

I'm like a mosquito in a nudist colony wondering just where do I start???

• It is widely known by those who actually do research that Billy Graham's "Protestantism" is at BEST questionable, and at worst, a front for Luciferianism.
• Irreligious liberal journalists HATE fundamentalist Protestantism more than anything else and are all to willing to publish "fake news" in an attempt to cast dispersion upon us.
• I refuse to allow you to steer the debate away from the most damning evidence for your "sex abuse in Protestantism worse than the RCC" argument: the fact that the RCC has been completely exposed as operating a sophisticated, clandestine network of child sex abuse which enables, covers up, and protects those who actively sexually abuse children - a disgustingly dubious reality that is found to exist absolutely no where in the entire Protestant world - which reduces your argument to the equivalent of comparing the rap sheet of a John Q. Purse Snatcher to a Don Corleone.

As soon as you can guarantee my kids are not going to be abused in your church, i guess you might have some credibility, but probably not

 

[Phoneman777]

As soon as you can guarantee my kids are not going to be abused in your church, i guess you might have some credibility, but probably not

The RCC has been exposed as operating with precision a global network which enables, covers up, and protects priest child sex offenders and there is nothing like if found anywhere in the whole of global Protestantism.

 

[aspen]

The RCC has been exposed as operating with precision a global network which enables, covers up, and protects priest child sex offenders and there is nothing like if found anywhere in the whole of global Protestantism.

I see your answer is no...

Wise amswer

 

[Phoneman777]

I see your answer is no...

Wise amswer

The argument is not whether child molestation occurs in Protestantism - it occurs everywhere, within and without the church. The argument is whether Dead Bread's claim that the problem is worse among Protestant churches is true or not. And since I've demonstrated that:

• Protestants aren't brainwashed into silence to protect their church organization - as Catholics are from the earliest age
• the godless liberal news media which hates fundamentalist Protestantism above all is hard pressed to find very many stories of abuse among our churches, though they no doubt chomp at the bit to do so
• and that Catholicism has been exposed for operating so sophisticated a child predatory network which enables, covers up, and protects their members so effectively...

...that if Child Sex Abuse was an Olympic event, the Vatican would consistently win Gold while Protestantism would fail to meet the minimum qualification standards for competition eligibility.