If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), how can we be sure we're not following someone who appears “biblical” but is ac

[TheHC]

@Aunty Jane asked, “how is one to discern who is actually telling the truth”?

And @PS95 replied,

By testing all things with scriptures and prayer

Jesus said, “By their fruits you will recognize them.” — Matthew 7:16-20.

Bad fruitage is everywhere in Christendom. And “many” of its leaders, Jesus called “workers of evil.” —Matthew 7:21-23

So the questions arise, “If these ones are doing ‘powerful works’ then from where are they getting this power? Not from Jesus, obviously. Who is backing them?”

Could it be from the “god” who’s ‘blinding’ them? - 2 Corinthians 4:4.


Hope that’s not too many questions.

 

[PS95]

@Aunty Jane asked, “how is one to discern who is actually telling the truth”?

And @PS95 replied,
Jesus said, “By their fruits you will recognize them.” — Matthew 7:16-20.
Bad fruitage is everywhere in Christendom. And “many” of its leaders, Jesus called “workers of evil.” —Matthew 7:21-23
So the questions arise, “If these ones are doing ‘powerful works’ then from where are they getting this power? Not from Jesus, obviously. Who is backing them?”
Could it be from the “god” who’s ‘blinding’ them? - 1 Corinthians 4:4.
Hope that’s not too many questions.

Hello there TheHC.
I never seem to see unless you're clicking like on Jane's posts or replying to her or for her.
as you know, Jane shuns me, for knowing what Jws teach and exposing it, it's good that this account doesn't. I do not see a reply to what I have repeatedly asked Jane. Why is that? JWs must always be the questioners. LOL

JWs claim they do not belong to Jesus, are not born of God, are not in the new covenant, are not spiritual sons of God, Jesus is not your mediator, Jesus' blood doesn't cover your sins, refuse partaking of Jesus' body and blood, ETC ETC ETC
Yet, JWs come here to teach others that we must be like you. How can we take that seriously? You want us to also reject the Lord's invitation like you do? You want us to disobey our Father in heaven? You want us to die in our sins? Your own physical death will never be able to compete with the lamb's sacrifice. Jehovah will reject your payment. IT is your WAGE- what you have earned! It is what you deserve- death! It is not you paying God. he is paying you.
Please get that straight. a wage = you have earned it = death. you get paid with DEATH. Eternal death.
OR, as the rest of the sentence says.. choose LIFE. Jesus is our very life.
You are choosing death over life in Christ! There is no other alternative. Ripping 2 HALF sentences from Romans chapter 6 when there are 23 verses is called cherry picking. You are a prime example of a cherry picker. Forming an entire doctrine using 2 half sentences ripped from context is insane! It is not what that means on by a long shot. It's completely absurd. I have a thread on that doozey here-

Q for JW- KIEW?

Hi Kiew, you've stated this a couple of times now on another thread-- "Romans 6:7-Acquitted of all sin at death. The judgement God gave to all men=The wages of sin = death. Once dead have paid in full the wages of sin. Gods pure justice could not rejudge one on past sins once they died and paid...

www.christianityboard.com

Even so, I will be kind and address your question- IN CONTEXT.
I do this only because I want you to also come to salvation in Jesus. That is love. I point JWs to Jesus Christ all day and you reject Him.
Then you point me to your MEN. Let's see who your men are, ok?

You asked me - "Who is backing those people who have the bad fruits?" You gave me Matthew 7
Let's see what Jesus Himself says there.- and while we are at it- please read the entire passage and Hear and obey the Lord.
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1“Do not judge, so that you will not be judged. 2For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, the log is in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye!
6“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7"Ask and it will be given to you ; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 9Or what person is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf of bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? 11So if you, despite being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven good things to those who ask Him!
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15“ Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17So every good tree bears good fruit, but bad the tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ,‘Lord Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

24“Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts on them, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock 25And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27And the rain fell and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and its collapse was great.”
28When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; 29for He was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.
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[PS95]

Cont..

What did the Lord tell us there?

Stop judging.
Do JWs say that Christians or as you call us (Christendom or so-called Christians) will be destroyed by God? Yes you do.
Our Father loves us because we love His Son. Yet, you tell us that is not true.
John 16:27
For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

Blindness.
JWs say they are not born of God / born again and neither are Christians. (only select Jws are)
JWs say they do not belong to Jesus and neither do we.
JWs say they are not a part of the body of Christ and neither are we.
JWs say they are not spiritual children of God and neither are we.
JWs say Jesus did not die for our sins or for our sins. (only Adam's sin and he is not forgiven)
JWs say they are not declared righteous and neither are we.
Jws say they are not branches of the true vine and neither are we.
Jws can not cry out "ABBA Father" and neither can we.
Jws say they are not baptized onto Jesus' death and neither are we.
Jws are not freed from slavery to sin and neither are we.
Jws are not partakers of Jesus' flesh and blood and neither should we.
Jws are not partakers of Communion and neither should we.
Jws say they are not branches of the true vine and neither are we.

That log in a Jw's eye is Jesus Himself, and I do not know of a bigger log to have. Those are man's teachings not God's.

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves the child born of Him

Do you deny Jesus as the Christ? Are you born of God? Do you believe God in the scriptures, or man?


Ask, Seek, knock. Receive. Pray! Check and double check all things. Use even scales. Pray and pray some more.
Only Jesus can set you free!
You can not enter by any other gate.
Jesus is that gate.
Enter through Him only- not the teachings of man. Too many refuse to go to Jesus and are taught falsely. Learn from HIM! He is the narrow gate.

FALSE PROPHETS.
There are many-
I have a very long list fully documented, of false words spoken by JWs- those who called themselves,
Prophets, God's sole channel of communication, God's spokesperson, The one and only faithful slave, you must believe it all, and teach it to others or you will die, etc......
The Lord calls all false prophets, Workers of Lawlessness. Yet you obey them.
Many may profess Jesus as Lord but they do not possess Jesus as their Lord and Savior. They "DO NOT KNOW HIM".
You excuse all of their lies with your uneven lying scales and circular reasoning.
Know them by their fruits- indeed.

Ravenous wolves------- they come to rip you from Jesus. They deny His cross- His salvation- His love. His resurrection etc..
You will never be able to snatch me from His hand. I expose you for the sake of the others here!
wolves seek their own glory. They say to look to them for salvation. They say they are your mediator. They will never point you to JESUS. They point to themselves for salvation! If that doesn't describe JWs nothing does.

Casting Pearls-
Yes, as I said I post for the sake of others. to expose Watchtower lies.
I do hold out hope that you will repent, but it is not my main goal. I am fully aware that you will always try to tear me apart.- You can't.
I know who teaches me- You can try to attack the scripture pearls, but it won't fool those who truly love Jesus.
You see, we love Him because He first loved us.
How do we know He loves us? **He died for our very own sins.**That is love, and there is no love greater! If you do not believe that and you do not- then you can not love Him. It's HIS LOVE that is FIRST! He is the First LOVE.
You can not reject His love at Calvary and love Him--- IMPOSSIBLE. All things are possible with God, but unbelief is death.

Build your house on Jesus and His words. Listen to Him and heed His warning about false prophets.
He is that ROCK- Sadly, He is your rock of offense- many stumble over Him and that definitely includes JWs.
Man will fail you. He will not.
Having once been deceived by those WTBS men, I feel for you, HC. I will be praying for your scales to be removed.
I have given you my lunch break so, I didn't waste my time. lol

 

[Behold]

If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, how can we be sure we're not following someone who appears “biblical” but is actually a false teacher?

The first step in recognizing a Christian "Heretic".. is to find out if they belong to one of the big Cults.

Catholic
Mormon
JW
Calvinist
Universalist

So, thats the simple and obvious way ......to recognize a heretic.

And then, to find out if your denomimation is at least partly false, heretical... and Cross Rejecting, is to find out if their doctrine teaches that........... = "you can lose your Salvation".
If so, you've found a small or HUGE worldwide cult, tho they may have some theology, understood correctly, but they have failed to understand God's Salvation and God's Grace correctly, and if that is not understood then the rest of what they have understood correctly, is meaningless.

See, this "lost your salvation" theology does not comprehend The Cross of Chirst, as The Blood Atonement, as the New Covenant. that is God's "GIFT of Righteousness".
And these religious cults substitute the person's deeds....or behavior... or sin confessing, in place of real Trust in Christ.

Now on a "forum".... just apply those spotlights to the member's Threads and posts...., and notice this also....

= Find out if they believe that "there is no literal Hell".....or "noone goes to hell".......as this is a popular heretics hangout theology.

Then you find those who have no use for the bible, and want to try to prove that there are "errors" in it, and that "only the original Greek is true".... ect.

A.) The Mainstay of all Heresy, is that these (denominations) Theologies... ALL have a severe issue with How God initially Saves or How God keeps you eternally saved.

That is the first and greatest issue that defines all heretics and their Theology, that defines them as a heretic.

 

[PS95]

The first step in recognizing a Christian "Heretic".. is to find out if they belong to one of the big Cults.

Catholic
Mormon
JW
Calvinist
Universalist

So, thats the simple and obvious way ......to recognize a heretic.

And then, to find out if your denomimation is at least partly false, heretical... and Cross Rejecting, is to find out if their doctrine teaches that........... = "you can lose your Salvation".
If so, you've found a small or HUGE worldwide cult, tho they may have some theology, understood correctly, but they have failed to understand God's Salvation and God's Grace correctly, and if that is not understood then the rest of what they have understood correctly, is meaningless.

See, this "lost your salvation" theology does not comprehend The Cross of Chirst, as The Blood Atonement, as the New Covenant. that is God's "GIFT of Righteousness".
And these religious cults substitute the person's deeds....or behavior... or sin confessing, in place of real Trust in Christ.

Now on a "forum".... just apply those spotlights to the member's Threads and posts...., and notice this also....

= Find out if they believe that "there is no literal Hell".....or "noone goes to hell".......as this is a popular heretics hangout theology.

Then you find those who have no use for the bible, and want to try to prove that there are "errors" in it, and that "only the original Greek is true".... ect.

A.) The Mainstay of all Heresy, is that these (denominations) Theologies... ALL have a severe issue with How God initially Saves or How God keeps you eternally saved.

That is the first and greatest issue that defines all heretics and their Theology, that defines them as a heretic.

I don't agree with all of this, Behold.
Not all all. You condemn believers who you disagree with YOU as cults. That's awful.
I have read some of your stuff and have no interest in debating with you. You think you can't sin. Get your head out of your "Paul Only" mentality and read the rest as well. Oh please.
I just want you know that what you did there was wrong.
That's all.

 

[quietthinker]

The first step in recognizing a Christian "Heretic".. is to find out if they belong to one of the big Cults.

Catholic
Mormon
JW
Calvinist
Universalist

So, thats the simple and obvious way ......to recognize a heretic.

And then, to find out if your denomimation is at least partly false, heretical... and Cross Rejecting, is to find out if their doctrine teaches that........... = "you can lose your Salvation".
If so, you've found a small or HUGE worldwide cult, tho they may have some theology, understood correctly, but they have failed to understand God's Salvation and God's Grace correctly, and if that is not understood then the rest of what they have understood correctly, is meaningless.

See, this "lost your salvation" theology does not comprehend The Cross of Chirst, as The Blood Atonement, as the New Covenant. that is God's "GIFT of Righteousness".
And these religious cults substitute the person's deeds....or behavior... or sin confessing, in place of real Trust in Christ.

Now on a "forum".... just apply those spotlights to the member's Threads and posts...., and notice this also....

= Find out if they believe that "there is no literal Hell".....or "noone goes to hell".......as this is a popular heretics hangout theology.

Then you find those who have no use for the bible, and want to try to prove that there are "errors" in it, and that "only the original Greek is true".... ect.

A.) The Mainstay of all Heresy, is that these (denominations) Theologies... ALL have a severe issue with How God initially Saves or How God keeps you eternally saved.

That is the first and greatest issue that defines all heretics and their Theology, that defines them as a heretic.

I suppose if they belong to the sinner family we may as well tar and feather them straight away!

 

[Hey You!]

What do you personally look for when testing a teacher? How do you compare their words to Scripture? Are there red flags that immediately make you cautious?

Let’s use the Bible and discernment to sharpen each other on this important topic.

The first thing is the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

This needs to be in every Sermon, following the Law's Condemnation...

 

[Aunty Jane]

The first step in recognizing a Christian "Heretic".. is to find out if they belong to one of the big Cults.

Catholic
Mormon
JW
Calvinist
Universalist

So, thats the simple and obvious way ......to recognize a heretic.

And then, to find out if your denomimation is at least partly false, heretical... and Cross Rejecting, is to find out if their doctrine teaches that........... = "you can lose your Salvation".
If so, you've found a small or HUGE worldwide cult, tho they may have some theology, understood correctly, but they have failed to understand God's Salvation and God's Grace correctly, and if that is not understood then the rest of what they have understood correctly, is meaningless.

See, this "lost your salvation" theology does not comprehend The Cross of Chirst, as The Blood Atonement, as the New Covenant. that is God's "GIFT of Righteousness".
And these religious cults substitute the person's deeds....or behavior... or sin confessing, in place of real Trust in Christ.

Now on a "forum".... just apply those spotlights to the member's Threads and posts...., and notice this also....

= Find out if they believe that "there is no literal Hell".....or "noone goes to hell".......as this is a popular heretics hangout theology.

Then you find those who have no use for the bible, and want to try to prove that there are "errors" in it, and that "only the original Greek is true".... ect.

A.) The Mainstay of all Heresy, is that these (denominations) Theologies... ALL have a severe issue with How God initially Saves or How God keeps you eternally saved.

That is the first and greatest issue that defines all heretics and their Theology, that defines them as a heretic.

And yet the movement started by Jesus Christ was viewed as a small sect of Judaism, whom the leaders of the mainstream branded as heretics……the real heretics were the ones with the loudest voices of condemnation and the undermining of confidence in what Jesus taught….it led to the majority executing their own Messiah (Matt 27:25)….such is the value of misplaced trust.

In a world ruled by the devil…nothing is as it seems.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The first thing is the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

If this is the “first thing” we need to look for when “testing a teacher” of the Scriptures, can you clearly define just what the gospel of Jesus Christ actually is?
That is a great place to start.

 

[Hey You!]

If this is the “first thing” we need to look for when “testing a teacher” of the Scriptures, can you clearly define just what the gospel of Jesus Christ actually is?
That is a great place to start.

Use the Gospel as the first test, and judge this...

Scripture Alone ~ by ReverendRV * September 17

Genesis 1:1 KJV; In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Through Faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”. So God created Man in his own image, in the image of God created him; male and female created he them. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the Garden thou may freely eat; but of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die. When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, a tree to be desired to make them wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also to her husband with her; and he ate it. At once they saw what they had done, and they realized they were naked. Then they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves. ~ For the wages of Sin is Death…

All that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. ~ Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him and he began to teach them. He said: "You’ve heard the Commandment that says, 'You must not commit adultery.' but I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. Anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.” ~ For whoever keeps the whole Law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it…

The wages of Sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal Life! ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory; Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. For by Grace you are Saved through Faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by Works so that no one can boast. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. ~ I’ve passed on to you what is most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our Sins, just as the Scriptures said. He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said. The Lord will rescue us from every evil deed and will bring us safely to his Heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen…

Revelation 22:20-21 KJV; He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.