I don't think I'm a Christian
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Just ask the lord for understanding. Everyone is given a measure of Faith from God. The more the Lord gives you the greater is the understanding.
Yes, Daniel, I will do that.
Go and learn this verse with the help of God: If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know;
I found it. “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of him.”
May the love of God be in us so that we are known to him. We see and understand only what God has given us. What say was not my understanding but what comes from My Father in Heaven. He is the creator of all things.
CR: Yes, our Christ spoke and prayed to his Father all the time. from childhood, and in the Garden, who is the only one God and Almighty. Nothing else spiritually in scripture, in spirit and mind fits or makes any sense. If one tries to use the Trinity theory is fails every time and so it should because it is a man-made theory that has pagan origins.
Like the fish scene....
Bless you,
APAK
True...
I'm not an angler. I just throw a line in the water while enjoying the vista and setting.:cool:
I've caught trout back in Victoria. 25-30cm. I was blessed to catch this fish. At over 50cm, mate, it's big. The photo doesn't do it justice.
But. When I was cleaning it I found she was full of eggs and realized that the season is closed as of May 1 during their spawning season.
Hundreds maybe thousands of little trout she had in her...
So its a bitter sweet taste to that fish. I would of let her go if i knew she was pregnant
I'm not an angler. I just throw a line in the water while enjoying the vista and setting.:cool:
I've caught trout back in Victoria. 25-30cm. I was blessed to catch this fish. At over 50cm, mate, it's big. The photo doesn't do it justice.
But. When I was cleaning it I found she was full of eggs and realized that the season is closed as of May 1 during their spawning season.
Hundreds maybe thousands of little trout she had in her...
So its a bitter sweet taste to that fish. I would of let her go if i knew she was pregnant
Pathfinder7
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It seems that some posts had 'good advice/suggestion' for you.
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Christian faith is..more than 'morality, intellectual knowledge/information, etc..'
Maybe you need to move into..beyond that level.
- As you continue to search/seek..
Blessings,
Can't win them all.....I've done the same and with trout, years ago when I was fishing in Montana US near Canada...it happensTrue...
I'm not an angler. I just throw a line in the water while enjoying the vista and setting.:cool:
I've caught trout back in Victoria. 25-30cm. I was blessed to catch this fish. At over 50cm, mate, it's big. The photo doesn't do it justice.
But. When I was cleaning it I found she was full of eggs and realized that the season is closed as of May 1 during their spawning season.
Hundreds maybe thousands of little trout she had in her...
So its a bitter sweet taste to that fish. I would of let her go if i knew she was pregnant
I think it basically stems from my confusion about Jesus.
I don't understand several things about him...
What defines a Christian. If it's someone who believes Christ is God then I don't fit the profile
I think the Ordodox church doesn't equate Jesus to God.
Not 100% about that but I do recall there being a disagreement with the RCC about Jesus being the son. Filoque
Not 100% about that but I do recall there being a disagreement with the RCC about Jesus being the son. Filoque
@Cristo Rei you see the Trinitarian construct that actually is from its primitive form from Babylon makes the only ONE God/YHWH into not only the Father, but also shared with the Son and the Holy Spirit (and is actually the Spirit of the Father alone). They had to do this because they messed up initially who Jesus really is in the first place. They did not trust scripture as its written in many places. They said that Jesus could not be just a man to be sinless. And yet they agree that Adam was sinless until he listened to Eve. Adam could have been 200 years old when he first sinned. And yet Jesus died on the cross around 33 years old and they think he had to be a super human to be sinless. Then there is the non-scriptural view that Jesus could not be just a man to bear the sins of the world. Again, this is their lack of faith in the word of God and scripture as its written..he had to be just a human being according to scripture...anther type of Adam....and there's much more...
So at Jesus' birth they altered the simple meaning of Jesus being born a human male by his Father, through his Holy Spirit and replaced it with an artificial bridge concept called incarnation- meaning that God of I guess of the Father or Holy Spirit or the Son or all three, came into the fetus of a human male and called him Jesus. Now they could not stop there because scripture shows that Jesus was a man or the son of man, so they had to invent another bridge construct call hypostasis that means Jesus had two personalities inside of his human body...they called him 100% human and 100% God (the Son).
So with all that as a short intro into Trinitarianism, scripture is sometimes difficult and awkward for these Trinitarian worshippers. And they try to avoid scripture that is is very awkward for their model of YHWH and his Son and they try to stick more to controversial and murky scripture to hang their hats on and defend from a hill of BS, where they can force their trinity meaning to it. They try to avoid discussion of the 1st and 2nd/Adam for example because that does not help their cause at all. They avoid scripture as you noted when Christ spoke to his Father. They have to explain that one by saying Jesus was once divine and was alive before creation as the God Almighty and they humbled himself etc into a human being through the invention of incarnation......etc..
Anyway I believe you get my point
APAK
So at Jesus' birth they altered the simple meaning of Jesus being born a human male by his Father, through his Holy Spirit and replaced it with an artificial bridge concept called incarnation- meaning that God of I guess of the Father or Holy Spirit or the Son or all three, came into the fetus of a human male and called him Jesus. Now they could not stop there because scripture shows that Jesus was a man or the son of man, so they had to invent another bridge construct call hypostasis that means Jesus had two personalities inside of his human body...they called him 100% human and 100% God (the Son).
So with all that as a short intro into Trinitarianism, scripture is sometimes difficult and awkward for these Trinitarian worshippers. And they try to avoid scripture that is is very awkward for their model of YHWH and his Son and they try to stick more to controversial and murky scripture to hang their hats on and defend from a hill of BS, where they can force their trinity meaning to it. They try to avoid discussion of the 1st and 2nd/Adam for example because that does not help their cause at all. They avoid scripture as you noted when Christ spoke to his Father. They have to explain that one by saying Jesus was once divine and was alive before creation as the God Almighty and they humbled himself etc into a human being through the invention of incarnation......etc..
Anyway I believe you get my point
APAK
Definition of a Christian in short...as 3 points...hopefully easy to read...
1. He/she is a genuine believer in Christ, the Son of the living God, and defined as the only one true God-YHWH, the Almighty one, the Creator of all that exists and existed and will exist.
2. This believer is one who genuinely makes an emotional internal outburst and confession with a leap of faith (given by YHWH on purpose), with true repentance of being sinful with a contrite heart, in hearing the gospel message of salvation, in full belief, that YHWH can save them, the insignificant wretch and soul that they are indeed. This 'faith in belief' act, deeply impresses upon the spirit and breaks down a person in remorse, and many times tears flow of knowing how insignificant one is and their future without YHWH and his Son, is 'death.!'
3. This believer knows that their great God they now have in their life chose them; plucked them out of the 'fire' of future eternal death without anything they could do, via works etc. It was a miracle surgery done on their heart, a spiritual and life-saving conversion done by their Creator. They also believe that YHWH brought the Spirit of Christ and truth within them. They sense his Spirit's presence at some point, sooner than later. They work with this new Spirit as they 'walk' in it for life to maturity. They are reborn and saved from their natural spirit and their flesh/body because YHWH showed his grace upon their soul by providing his special gifts of faith for initial rebirth and entry into the family of YHWH, and sustainment faith, along with his Son for their salvation and future immortality.
this should tell the essence of story of salvation and rebirth of the natural spirit of believers..........Bless you..APAK
I think when you know both God and Satan are real that is a starting point for holding faith in the rest.
The apostles didn't always understand the teachings of Jesus.
That's likely part of the reason many of them walked away while others stayed faithful.
Sometimes understanding was hidden from them. It wasn't yet time for the message to be understood.
But then after Jesus was glorified everything appears to have cleared up for them. Which is why we have the synoptic gospels.
I'd say don't be discouraged by how you feel. When you know you firmly believe in God that's a great place to be.
It sounds like you're open then for God to lead you to understanding. Because you aren't firmly predisposed to ideologies, dogma, etc...
God firmly believes in you too. :)
You'll be just fine.
God bless.
I get your point. Its remanence from the pagan religions that existed, the worship of Mary also stems from this i believe.
The Trinity is an old doctrine, i think its in the very first Catechism and the catholic follows the church.
But if a person is truly sola scripture then the Trinity isn't mentioned and you need to do some mental gymnastics to make things fit.
It can be a mental gymnastics comp from where im sitting... LoL
So maybe i still am a Christian then... I thought the believing the trinity was a must. Every denomination seems to adhere to it.
I can't overlook that simple fact, the action of Christ in speaking to, actually praying to God for strength in a very similar way to how i pray.
Its easy to overlook parts of the bible and dismiss others as metaphorical but actions are actions and its hard to twist them.
Jesus prayed to God, its really quite simple
APAK, i love u bro but thats too complicated... LoL...
I get what your saying but can we find a simpler definition of a Christian...
Like, "the belief that Jesus is the son of God and will save us"... Howz that for a simple definition??? It should be adequate i think
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