I dont believe Satan or demons are still around (but this guy does.)
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You do whatever you need to, there is freedom and liberty in the anointed one. I am not to worried about peoples concerns... about me a human being making his own decisions as you are making your own decisions. God sees the heart. You can't see my heart, and nor do I know yours. That doesn't make me love you any less, would help if it was possible. Revelation is a difficult book.
One material evidence is Jerusalem destruction in 70Ad. One more material evidence I can not prove is that all those who were beliving and still faithful after the tribulation of that place, were taken up by Yeshua as his bride. I have no proof of other than faith it happened, and that Yeshua and his apostles never lied about returning. Most call this a farce, and a strawman, however I simply call it faith. Therefore I believe by faith what Yeshua said to those people then of his coming, quickly was all true, then in that day and age.
David in NJ
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Where does it say that Yeshua resurrected His Bride and took Her to Heaven with Him?
All through the Gospel(s), and the written letters of the Bible. That is something for you to investigate for your own self, @David in NJ. Thank you for your questions. May God guide you, sir, I believe what I said by faith. I could be wrong and you dont have to believe it, whether or not you accept it doesn't bother me, as long as I am not treating you with evil, and saying mean things to you, it's by love to respond to your questions in the most gentle way possible, abiding in Christ, and walking in the spirit.
David in NJ
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Considering it does not matter, to you then there is no reason to beat around the bush.
You could just tell me cause of what I believe is sending people straight to hell or something.
Love you, and whatever you decide to believe and go on about your life is in between you and God. Not me and you, and hope you can understand that.
Rockerduck
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The Apostle Paul was very aware of Satan and his minions. That why he gave the tools to use. (helmet of salvation, etc.). I've experienced the fiery darts. You and others have too. Have you ever been tempted to do something? Cigarettes, vape? women? gambling? drink to get drunk? All this after being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 6:16 - above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
Ephesians 6:16 - above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
Do you remember when Jesus told his disciples it's what comes for the heart that defiles a person, and not what they eat, @Rockerduck? Also reminds of James when he says its our own temptations in which we are tempted that leads us to sin which in the end just leads to death.
What Defiles a Person
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Greeting
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Testing of Your Faith
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Jas 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
Jas 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
Jas 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Greeting
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Testing of Your Faith
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
Jas 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Jas 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
Jas 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
Jas 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
David in NJ
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The Bible does not say temptation is from our own origin.
Please read carefully - James 1:12-15
Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
Hebrews 2:18
Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
@David in NJ
I believe that it all started in the Garden, when God gave Adam and Eve freewill, and gave the Angels freewill. Is your position that it is the Devil that comes and tempts you? What came and tempted him to fall? Was it not his own desires within himself? Was it darkness?
Jesus still reigns true, unless he is a liar.
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
I believe that it all started in the Garden, when God gave Adam and Eve freewill, and gave the Angels freewill. Is your position that it is the Devil that comes and tempts you? What came and tempted him to fall? Was it not his own desires within himself? Was it darkness?
Jesus still reigns true, unless he is a liar.
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
David in NJ
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Adam & Eve were not able to tempt themselves - were they!
Eve was directly tempted by satan, once the temptation was presented to her mind and heart = she agreed to it.
When Eve 'agreed' with the temptation it became "her own desire" = she owned it = hook line and sinker!
I believe they were able to freely think and choose for themselves. It's really interesting going back and reading to their responses. In Revelation the devil is done away with. People still have freewill and choose either to have God in their life or not, David. I never read in it that Satan grabbed the hand of eve and made her touch the fruit.
I really truly do not believe that Satan or his demons are around. No matter how many people say, yes he still is. The reason is because of faith in God, and Yeshua having done what they promised to do which was to get rid of him and his demons. Today darkness still exist however, God never said he would get rid of the darkness in the beginning but he was going to get rid of Satan. Therefore, everyone is still tempted by their own desires, and lusts that come into their soul, if they abide in Christ he will help them overcome those things. A lot of people out there have just been misguided, and hold on to traditions which have been passed down, or that are taught in universities still today.
David in NJ
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Satan is also called the 'Tempter" = Matthew 4:1-11 = read and believe
"Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.
The tempter came to Him and said........."
Apostle Paul also points to the workings of satan as the 'tempter' of us who believe = 1 Thess 3:5
"For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain."
Rockerduck
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Satan is a tempter, liar, and a murderer. It is he who is in the people who murder other people. Anytime you get tempted it is Satan behind it.
as Jesus told Peter when he said Jesus wouldn't die, and Jesus said "get thee behind me Satan". Do you think Peter, (no better than us) knew Satan was behind that statement. Of course not. I'm guilty too. I've said idle things without thinking. Have you told anyone "it will be alright"; That's from Satan. It should be prefaced " if God wills, it will be alright". See the difference? God gets the glory, not you.
John 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Jesus was aware the Pharisee were going to kill him and Satan was behind it and Jesus told them so.
as Jesus told Peter when he said Jesus wouldn't die, and Jesus said "get thee behind me Satan". Do you think Peter, (no better than us) knew Satan was behind that statement. Of course not. I'm guilty too. I've said idle things without thinking. Have you told anyone "it will be alright"; That's from Satan. It should be prefaced " if God wills, it will be alright". See the difference? God gets the glory, not you.
John 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Jesus was aware the Pharisee were going to kill him and Satan was behind it and Jesus told them so.
God having done away with Satan, he is not longer able to tempt anyone. He was the tempter only when there was law around. Today there is no law around for people to follow as the Jewish nation did. Therefore, Gentiles were governing themselves opposed to the Jewish people, and not have come to be able to abide in the place where there is no law. To have faith and to love their neighbor. All people have stumbled and fallen by the law, and now today their own decisions are their own decisions in which they are tempted by.
That is where people tend to get confused on their studies, and I am not saying no one here has not done their studies. Satan also was allowed to take all things away from Job before there was a set law, and the conclusion comes from God in that story. The conclusion now today is that hey...
If you are tempted to sin, it is coming from your own thoughts, emotions, feelings, that are all coming from within your soul. Many people consider it is the devil, when James clearly states it is ourselves that are enticed and lead away by our own desires. James make no mistake by "saying Satan tempts you" it is "you who are enitced by your own desire" not Satan.
Can people be an adversity to you is another question? Can you by your own flesh be Satan towards yourself?
I do believe there was a fallen angel named Satan however he is done away with according to Revelation which many people tend to stay away from or they say it is not yet happened which is fine.
That is where people tend to get confused on their studies, and I am not saying no one here has not done their studies. Satan also was allowed to take all things away from Job before there was a set law, and the conclusion comes from God in that story. The conclusion now today is that hey...
If you are tempted to sin, it is coming from your own thoughts, emotions, feelings, that are all coming from within your soul. Many people consider it is the devil, when James clearly states it is ourselves that are enticed and lead away by our own desires. James make no mistake by "saying Satan tempts you" it is "you who are enitced by your own desire" not Satan.
Can people be an adversity to you is another question? Can you by your own flesh be Satan towards yourself?
I do believe there was a fallen angel named Satan however he is done away with according to Revelation which many people tend to stay away from or they say it is not yet happened which is fine.
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