I believe in the Trinity and Rapture differently!

[rockytopva]

I believe in the Trinity and Rapture differently! Probably differently than any other human on planet earth! I would say...

Ephesus - Messianic Church
Smyrna - Martyr Church - Noting Foxes book of Martyrs has the persecutions as ten
Pergamos - Orthodox Church - A Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic Church - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
Sardis - Protestant Church - A Sardis is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Revived Church - Well... Within the right church and generation
Laodicean Church - Rich... Increased with Goods... And have need of nothing?

2053 AD - Ideal rapture date
2060 AD - Isaac Newton's prophecy for Christ's return

God the Father - The one above all... The source of all light and energy
God the Son - Jesus Christ... Our mediator between heaven and earth
God the Holy Spirit... Needed to live the clean and decent life with power from on high

But... Does anyone else believe this way? Probably not! But I do not really care!

 

[Heart2Soul]

I believe in the Trinity and Rapture differently! Probably differently than any other human on planet earth! I would say...

Ephesus - Messianic Church
Smyrna - Martyr Church - Noting Foxes book of Martyrs has the persecutions as ten
Pergamos - Orthodox Church - A Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic Church - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
Sardis - Protestant Church - A Sardis is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Revived Church - Well... Within the right church and generation
Laodicean Church - Rich... Increased with Goods... And have need of nothing?

2053 AD - Ideal rapture date
2060 AD - Isaac Newton's prophecy for Christ's return

God the Father - The one above all... The source of all light and energy
God the Son - Jesus Christ... Our mediator between heaven and earth
God the Holy Spirit... Needed to live the clean and decent life with power from on high

But... Does anyone else believe this way? Probably not! But I do not really care!

I believe the same and isn't this the same thing? What's different? And why must we defend what we believe, or rather what we were taught by our church, to the point of strife?
We are all children of God, growing in spiritual maturity and Godly Wisdom. And the Holy Spirit is guiding us into all truth. I am older than most here and may have grown further along than some. But the important thing is to continually seek Him and you will find Him.
What I am concerned about is how fiercely a person will defend the doctrines of their Church more than defending the Gospel of Jesus.
Just my thoughts, and I am not directing this reply TO you, I am agreeing with you but challenging what is motivating everyone's thoughts when they reply.

 

[Rita]

I believe the same and isn't this the same thing? What's different? And why must we defend what we believe, or rather what we were taught by our church, to the point of strife?
We are all children of God, growing in spiritual maturity and Godly Wisdom. And the Holy Spirit is guiding us into all truth. I am older than most here and may have grown further along than some. But the important thing is to continually seek Him and you will find Him.
What I am concerned about is how fiercely a person will defend the doctrines of their Church more than defending the Gospel of Jesus.
Just my thoughts, and I am not directing this reply TO you, I am agreeing with you but challenging what is motivating everyone's thoughts when they reply.

Totally agree, and this is where I am in my Christian life xx

 

[Ritajanice]

God the Son" does not appear in the Bible.

: God the Son or God the Holy Spirit or trinity for that matter are not mentioned in the Bible

The word Trinity, is not found in any Bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

I seek to grow in spiritual maturity...but, I can only look to the Spirit for growth..you can’t get that from man / woman, unless you hear from the Spirit through them.

I’ve been feeling really rough lately, even crying over how I feel..guess what, I’ve been grieving the Holy Spirit with all the arguing I’ve been doing..God showed me that last night..
.this morning I feel like a new person....you won’t ever see me arguing on here again...I Love God and so want to please him..time will tell I guess, as I’ve said it enough times, I can only stop in Gods strength, at the end of the day he knows in my heart how arguing makes me feel, sick to my stomach now, it never used to.

This time I know I’m saying I won’t argue again ....in Gods strength..,Praise God for heart revelation.
He gave me this scripture last night..

Paul lists what grieves the Holy Spirit in the surrounding verses: Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth (v.29), eschew all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking (v.31).

 

[Galgal]

There is no Trinity or Rapture in the Bible.

What is called the "Rapture" is actually the aliyah to the Lord in Israel of the 5 wise virgins, during the 3 months from the 6th to the 7th vial of wrath, when the city of Yahweh Shammah will be built.

The Church of Smyrna is an image of the builders of the Third Temple. The Church of Philadelphia is an image of the saints who will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple, from the 6th to the 7th trumpet, from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur. Jesus Christ will be incarnated in them at the Second Coming, the angel of the Church of Philadelphia will become equal to God and will be worshiped. The other 5 churches are 10 virgins, where some are wise, and the other part is foolish. The wise will be taken to Israel to the Lord.

 

[Scott Downey]

God has it all figured it from before time began,
Aren't you glad He included you in His plans?

I know the early church was hoping for a soon return of Christ back then, and so do we still today.

Hebrews 6

11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end,

12 that you do not become [a]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

 

[ewq1938]

God the Son" does not appear in the Bible.

: God the Son or God the Holy Spirit or trinity for that matter are not mentioned in the Bible

The word Trinity, is not found in any Bible.

No English words were written by any of the biblical writers. No specific term or word or spelling of an English word is required as long as the concept or meaning is found. That means God the Son, God the HS and the Trinity are very much biblical concepts because those things are found in the bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

No English words were written by any of the biblical writers. No specific term or word or spelling of an English word is required as long as the concept or meaning is found. That means God the Son, God the HS and the Trinity are very much biblical concepts because those things are found in the bible.

Disagree, I ain’t arguing it out with you..good day..,

 

[ewq1938]

Disagree, I ain’t arguing it out with you..good day..,

Oh, also the name JESUS wasn't written by any of the biblical writers.

 

[Keraz]

Trinity and Rapture
These are no mystery, The Bible does make them clear, but a problem arises when mans teachings contradicts what the Bible actually says.

1/ The trinity, or multiple Gods, is confirmed by Genesis 1:26 Let us make human beings in our likeness..... Plural Godhead.
Also when God met Abraham - Genesis 18:2 Abraham looked up and saw three men.........

2/ The Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is to do with the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. Proved by how it will be then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4
Those people changed; are only those whose names will be found in the Book of Life. Revelation 20:12

There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone. The Bible simply does not teach such a thing.
It is pretentious to think the Lord will rapture His people, when many Prophesies tell us about how He will protect His own. Psalms 23, ++

 

[ScottA]

Why does everyone seem to need to come up with their own belief and doctrinal formula?

That's not biblical.

 

[ewq1938]

Trinity and Rapture
These are no mystery, The Bible does make them clear, but a problem arises when mans teachings contradicts what the Bible actually says.

1/ The trinity, or multiple Gods, is confirmed by Genesis 1:26 Let us make human beings in our likeness..... Plural Godhead.

Plural yes, but not plural Gods. The Trinity is one God, plural persons.

 

[Brakelite]

@rockytopva
Agree with your historicist church hermeneutic. A challenge. Take a look at the seals, the trumpets, and Matthew 24 and with a little thought, will discover the same order and similar time periods.

 

[Davy]

I believe the same and isn't this the same thing? What's different? And why must we defend what we believe, or rather what we were taught by our church, to the point of strife?
We are all children of God, growing in spiritual maturity and Godly Wisdom. And the Holy Spirit is guiding us into all truth. I am older than most here and may have grown further along than some. But the important thing is to continually seek Him and you will find Him.
What I am concerned about is how fiercely a person will defend the doctrines of their Church more than defending the Gospel of Jesus.
Just my thoughts, and I am not directing this reply TO you, I am agreeing with you but challenging what is motivating everyone's thoughts when they reply.

The problem is that we as Christians are at war, a spiritual war. That requires that those called of God that have the mettle to make a stand for The Father and The Son, as defenders of the Faith (Gospel of Jesus Christ).

Because this war involves many deceivers trained by Christ's enemies, thus not making a stand against their doctrines of men means to let sound Christian doctrine per Bible Scripture slide by the wayside. And it is so... easy for those who rely upon their fleshy emotions to fall into the enemy's traps.

In 2 Timothy 2:15, Apostle Paul told Timothy to study, to show himself approved of God, becoming a workman in God's Word that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing The Word of Truth. That should be every Christian's model to follow, if able. When Christ's enemies distort His Word, the only way to know they are doing that is by one's own Bible study to know what is written, and what is not.

Apostle Paul's advice for a bishop:

Titus 1:7-14
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, 'The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.'

13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Ephesus - Messianic Church
Smyrna - Martyr Church - Noting Foxes book of Martyrs has the persecutions as ten
Pergamos - Orthodox Church - A Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic Church - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
Sardis - Protestant Church - A Sardis is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Revived Church - Well... Within the right church and generation
Laodicean Church - Rich... Increased with Goods... And have need of nothing?

....
But... Does anyone else believe this way? Probably not! But I do not really care!

Those ideas are not yours, they actually were devised by man's false theories of Dispensationalism which supports a false pre-trib rapture theory.

Lord Jesus' Revelation 2 & 3, seven Messages to the seven Churches in Asia, have nothing to do with those descriptions that Dispensationalists falsely devised out of their own imaginations.

All 7 of Jesus' Messages to the seven Churches in Revelation were first given to the seven Churches in the days of Apostle John, and ALL of those 7 Messages are still in effect for ALL Christian Churches today. Whatever type of Church one attends today, they will find one or more of those Messages Jesus gave that will fit it.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op1: Belief in Trinity?:
Yes, Very Biblical!: The One Triune GodHead!

op2: Belief in Rapture?:
Yes, Also Very Biblical!!: God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.