Human Nature

[amigo de christo]

Look at the nature - fruit of the nature is the manifestation of sin.

Ye shall know them by their fruits .
Those who are of the good tree , Christ JESUS , produce good fruits
but as proverbs well states , the fruit of the wicked is to sin .

 

[soul man]

You mean, how do we know that's what Apostle John was talking about in that verse, that Satan was the first sinner? It's pretty easy to figure out, because in Ezekiel 28 God shows that He originally created Satan perfect without sin. And we surely know Satan was without sin at what time? and that was when he was in Eden at God's Altar without sin like the Ezekiel 28 Scripture shows.

We well know that was not in the time of Adam and Eve in God's Eden, because Satan was there as tempter by that time, showing he had already fallen. We have to go back in time, before Adam and Eve in God's Garden.

The parable in Ezekiel 31 analogous to Satan is another clue when Satan was originally perfect in following God, but that chapter is kind of difficult if one hasn't studied many of the symbols given there in other OT Books. It goes deeper than the Ezekiel 28 example does.

Thanks. Yes I understand Satan being the original sinner. It sets up all of scripture concerning sin, as well as sin entering into the world by one Adam. Scripture never puts that sin on humanity.. not as the winner from the beginning.. only as a participate by nature, or partaker of nature as Peter puts it. Still the crux of scripture has to be put together by what took place before creation. Which means before lucifer was created - before anything was created. The plan of God stands alone and does not have to do with sin. Scripture says God created good and evil but he did not create sin. So how do we put it all together to fit the plan of God, Eph. 1:4. That is what christians have to ask themselves, or deal with good and evil only.

 

[soul man]

You know, if you mean by the southeastern U.S., they don't call it The Bible Belt for nuttin'. (Yeah, I'm from the South too. That's why I'm so loved.)

LoL you know I'm in God's country - he can't be everywhere can he. Oh.. and he loves us more up here :-)

 

[soul man]

Ye shall know them by their fruits .
Those who are of the good tree , Christ JESUS , produce good fruits
but as proverbs well states , the fruit of the wicked is to sin .

Correct - but what makes that tree. A tree is a tree is a tree. Now fruit is easy to spot or not so yes but that scripture is relating to nature. An evil tree does evil by nature and so is the the good by nature. Look at like this - there is only two people scripture deals directly with..first Adam, and last Adam. First Adam is evil by nature.. last Adam is righteous by nature. Seeing the two nature's in scripture, as well as a birth now for believers, will go along way in understanding how to separate all that good stuff. Separating soul and spirit gets us into what scripture is relating to believers.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct - but what makes that tree. A tree is a tree is a tree. Now fruit is easy to spot or not so yes but that scripture is relating to nature. An evil tree does evil by nature and so is the the good by nature. Look at like this - there is only two people scripture deals directly with..first Adam, and last Adam. First Adam is evil by nature.. last Adam is righteous by nature. Seeing the two nature's in scripture, as well as a birth now for believers, will go along way in understanding how to separate all that good stuff. Separating soul and spirit gets us into what scripture is relating to believers.

Ask now what makes that tree , rather ask WHO IS THAT TREE . WHO IS THE TREE . WHO IS IT .
WHO is that very tree . JESUS IS . JESUS IS . and the lambs are the branches .
I am the vine ye are the branches . Scripture is simple . LOVE GOD , LOVE WHAT HE CALLS GOOD .
Any branch in JESUS would love TRUTH and not SIN .

 

[Davy]

Thanks. Yes I understand Satan being the original sinner. It sets up all of scripture concerning sin, as well as sin entering into the world by one Adam. Scripture never puts that sin on humanity.. not as the winner from the beginning.. only as a participate by nature, or partaker of nature as Peter puts it. Still the crux of scripture has to be put together by what took place before creation. Which means before lucifer was created - before anything was created. The plan of God stands alone and does not have to do with sin. Scripture says God created good and evil but he did not create sin. So how do we put it all together to fit the plan of God, Eph. 1:4. That is what christians have to ask themselves, or deal with good and evil only.

I've heard many debates on the idea of God having created evil, just because evil exists. But that's not really true. What our Heavenly Father did with creating the angels, and us even, is to give us free will to obey Him and love Him, or not.

The ability to not obey Him cannot be blamed on Him. There is NO darkness with God at all, like John said in 1 John 1:5. We cannot blame Satan's rebellion back on God. Satan sinned by wanting to be God, as he coveted God's Throne when it was his job to guard it (as 'covering cherub' per Ezekiel 28).

 

[Davy]

LoL you know I'm in God's country - he can't be everywhere can he. Oh.. and he loves us more up here :)

He definitely is still in the South too though.