I often enjoy it here too. Especially when I can share what I’ve struggled with and help others to see and hope for the promise that He will calm their passions at some point and it brings some peace. It’s very unpleasant to be yanked around and manipulated by your emotions.
How to Walk in Righteousness
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Patrick1966
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I'm ready to answer the question of how to walk in righteousness. Die. Then one will walk in righteousness.
Romans 8:7-8
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7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8:7-8
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7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
In the flesh here...means NOT in the Spirit. It doesn't mean physically dead. We can either be IN the flesh...walking in our own power, and therefore sinning at times...or else IN the Spirit...in Him is no sin at all.
There is PLEASING God.....and there is being accepted by God. This is how to correctly divide the words of God.
A righteous person is accepted with God. And one who walks in resurrection life and power is pleasing to God.
Patrick1966
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Maybe I'm being too literal but the verse says we cannot please God while in the flesh. My guess is we can try to be righteous but we will never be pleasing to God as long as we remain in the flesh. Where am I going wrong?
Romans 8 is about walking in the power of the Spirit...in resurrection power.
This is contrasted with walking in (or according to) the flesh.
Rom. 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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And the verse that says, without holiness no one will see God? What does that mean past this life?
Both....In the OT nobody could look on God and live. No "ADAM" could do so. But in Christ we are no longer in Adam. However, God is so clothed in light..you can't make out features anyway. The light is too powerful. Meeting the Father...you are on your face.
Epi your ignorance is showing once again, here. I bet you never read my post for understanding when I spoke of the act of repentance that is the right thing to do under discipline and maybe duress, with humility and love, that leads us back or returns us back into a state of righteousness once more.
The fact that we have to or are compelled to repent means we are out of bounds in righteousness with God at that time. Through faith and love and adoration and 'fear' of God we repent. The Spirit revealed this to us. If we do not repent, then our works are not considered righteous at all no matter how we continue to love our neighbor until we do repent of err. Repentance restored us back in the walk of righteousness. So it is ridiculous to believe that repentance, the necessary act that causes faithful restoration is a righteous work in itself.
Its like saying to the teacher who has just disciplined a student and is now saying apologize and all will be forgiven. And this student then stands up and publicly apologizes and maybe afraid of repercussions otherwise, and then also say in the same breath, see I did a good deed and the right thing by apologizing so I'm all good with you now. So you believe that this discipled student was righteous by having to apologize under duress and of potential negative repercussions? I think not at all. This just restores their faith and relationship with the teacher, and then from that point on their work and attitude can be considers again to be pleasing to the teacher - righteous if you will.
I cannot really make it clearer for you.
Patrick1966
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Thank you for the enlightenment. I missed the context. I love learning the truth. Thank you again!
Eternally Grateful
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what kind of answer is this? Bible lady? Who said anything about the bible or a lady.
Are you too afraid to admit your the religious one not her??
Eternally Grateful
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the one thing we have to remember is just because someone disagrees with us. they are not spitting in our face or attacking us.
But when they start falsely accusing us.. then it is when they start to spit in the others face..
Jesus calls the Laodiceans to repent...or else... The Ninevites were also called to repentance...and by a lesser one than Jesus. They indeed repented.
You need to do a study on righteousness, my friend. Get yourself a Septuagint bible....and see how early believers saw righteousness.
Believers of today are mainly indoctrinated, brainwashed...into a scheme that denies BOTH levels of righteousness..or ALL righteousness as Jesus says.
Repentance is a gift....into the higher walk. But repentance is also a responsibility that brings life out of death. There is a righteousness that is OUR responsibility. Even a child is known by his ways.
You need a lot of instruction on this ....take your time.
You are characterizing what righteousness is and isn't. Because you only know your own situation doesn't mean that others are just like you...or what you've experienced.
So you understand a false righteousness. That makes you think you know what righteousness is???
To the pure, all is pure. But to the filthy all is filthy.
Patrick1966
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Thanks. It's definitely not about that at all. I enjoy and appreciate having my understanding critiqued because I thirst for the truth and I genuinely appreciate those that improve my understanding.
Patrick1966
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That's interesting and I'm not sure I've heard that said. I'm going to Google it. :)
Eternally Grateful
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you and me both.. We should always be open.. I know I have changed my view on a few things once I stopped being proud. Plus when we are thick skinned. we lose any means of discussion
Look Epi are you purposely distancing yourself from the public audience and their support here? You are coming up with some whoppers lately..
Where are you getting all these wild claims that you keep making? For instance, as you said in this post, 'There are many here who would try to convince you that believing a certain religiously flavored gospel turns any sinfulness or unrighteousness magically into the very righteousness of God.'
This statement is so wildly ridiculous and unbelievable no one should believe you, and your credibility becomes questionable. Who practices this doctrine anyway? I've never heard of it before. This has to be a part of your view of sin and how you have to maintain your own way to perfection, to become sinless of sorts, with your works program to salvation I guess...who knows
Patrick1966
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(Copied from Google)
In Acts 11:18, we read that “to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.” And in 2 Timothy 2:25, Paul says that we must gently instruct those who oppose us in the hope that “God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.”
Eternally Grateful
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he is right on a level. The fact we have been given the ability to repent is a gift from God.. based on what Christ did on the cross..
Other than this gift. we could repent all we want. it would not get us anywhere
One time I saw how holy God was, don’t ask me how, but I did. I was struck by His hugeness and everywhere at onceness and how I could suddenly see Him everywhere in even seemingly small things. It wasn’t a coming face to face but was…something He suddenly just let me see. I was on my face and only able to speak one word - holy, and I eventually begged for it to stop or I thought I would die. I’m not even sure how long I was immobilized on the floor…
You would think it would have…had some great and glorious effect on me but it actually made me go back home and ignore God for 6 months. I went from couldn’t get enough of constantly having my nose in my Bible to not once picking it up or even trying to speak with Him for 6 months. I wasn’t mad, I think I just shut down for a while…? And then suddenly one day I talked to Him again and picked my Bible up. And when it hit my awareness that I hadn’t sought Him for 6 months I was surprised.
But back to your post here - even the beings described with 6 wings cover their faces with two of them. I guess since we don’t have wings we have to cover our face with the ground!! And I remember you once saying Moses spoke face to face with Jesus, not God, or he wouldn’t have survived…
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