How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

[Pearl]

SO your personal experience trumps Scripture.
OK, I can see where you are coming from.

My testimony is true. My church would not baptise unsaved people but sounds like yours does.

 

[Pearl]

SO your personal experience trumps Scripture.
OK, I can see where you are coming from.

Good - at last you are beginning to see the light.

 

[Pearl]

SO you believe Jesus phrased it badly?
Careless Jesus.

And did Peter phrase it badly when he wrote that Baptism saves you now?

So you say.

 

[Mungo]

My point in my post is that, it is not baptism with water or it is not water through which God saves, but through faith.

As with regards your question you’ll have the answer in 1 Pet.3:21 and context.

Tong
R4770

We need faith and baptism. It's in the baptism that God saves us.
After his resurrection Jesus gave his apostles, the leaders of his Church, some final instructions:

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you (Mt 28:19-20).
And he also said the them
He who believes and is baptized will be saved.(MK 16:16)
Baptising is part of making disciples.
Baptising is part of being saved.

 

[Mungo]

My testimony is true. My church would not baptise unsaved people but sounds like yours does.

So you say.

So, not Sola Scriptura but Sola Pearl

 

[Pearl]

I think I'm almost done with this thread - Mungo will be pleased about that.

 

[Pearl]

So, not Sola Scriptura but Sola Pearl

Mungo it's no more sola Pearl than sola Mungo. Your church interprets scripture to suit its own beliefs and teching. Not only about baptism but about other aspects of traditional beliefs.

 

[Pearl]

So, not Sola Scriptura but Sola Pearl

We each believe what we believe so it's time to shake hands and stop arguing about it.

The Lord bless you
and keep you;
the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.

 

[farouk]

But Acts 2:41 doesn't say they that gladly received his word and were saved and then they were baptized. :)

There were already saved when they were baptized, very clearly. They didn't become baptized in order to believe; they were baptized because they believed. It's so clear.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Face the Truth!! THINK!
What thinking person wants to say a God rejecting unbeliever that is baptized just to please his mother,girl friend, wife is saved??? If it is baptism that saves why would we need Jesus to die on the cross??

 

[Mungo]

We each believe what we believe so it's time to shake hands and stop arguing about it.

The Lord bless you
and keep you;
the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.

OK.

 

[Mungo]

There were already saved when they were baptized, very clearly.

Not clear at all. That's just your opinion.

They didn't become baptized in order to believe; they were baptized because they believed. It's so clear.

I agree but they weren't saved until they were baptised; as Jesus said:
He who believes and is baptized will be saved.(MK 16:16)
Belief + Baptism = Salvation
Very simple. Just follow Scripture.

 

[Mungo]

Face the Truth!! THINK!
What thinking person wants to say a God rejecting unbeliever that is baptized just to please his mother,girl friend, wife is saved??? If it is baptism that saves why would we need Jesus to die on the cross??

Because Baptism is when Jesus applies the salvation he has gained for us by his death on the cross.
Very simple. Just follow Scripture.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
My point in my post is that, it is not baptism with water or it is not water through which God saves, but through faith.

As with regards your question you’ll have the answer in 1 Pet.3:21 and context.

We need faith and baptism. It's in the baptism that God saves us.
After his resurrection Jesus gave his apostles, the leaders of his Church, some final instructions:

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you (Mt 28:19-20).
And he also said the them
He who believes and is baptized will be saved.(MK 16:16)
Baptising is part of making disciples.
Baptising is part of being saved.

When Jesus died, resurrected and ascended to the Father, in heaven, He had effectively accomplished what He was to accomplish, that He came on earth, to the world of mankind, to be the Savior of the world.

What commandment he gave the 11 disciples, and later Paul, after that, was to bear witness to the truth and preach the gospel (the word of God) to all nations, that is, not only of the Jews. The 11 and Paul were not sent to be saviors, but apostles. For God is the Savior, not any man. He had done what needs to be done to save His people, being the Savior of them. As Jesus put it, when he was about to die at the cross, “it is finished”.

In addition to that, the 11 were sent to make disciples of all nations - baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that Jesus have commanded them.

One must realize the distinction between the preaching and discipling.

Christ is the one who builds His church. He is the one who adds to it daily, those who are being saved.

Any and all work done through us by Jesus Christ must not be mistaken as being ours and all the things to be done such as baptism, must not be mistaken as though such is what and that which saves a person.

Tong
R4771

 

[Tong2020]

Jesus Christ + nothing = salvation.

@Mungo

This is in relation to your belief “belief + baptism = Salvation”.

Looking at RCC baptism, infants are baptized. And for what? Is it so that they will be saved should they die before they can believe? Where is this teaching coming from?

Tong
R4772

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Jesus Christ + nothing = salvation.

@Mungo

This is in relation to your belief “belief + baptism = Salvation”.

Looking at RCC baptism, infants are baptized. And for what? Is it so that they will be saved should they die before they can believe? Where is this teaching coming from?

Tong
R4772

Hitler was baptized when he was an infant.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

One can get baptized underneath Niagara Falls.....If one has not undergone the only Baptism REQUIRED for Salvation, he has wasted his time......have you been “ BAPTIZED” INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST? THAT is the” Baptism” that counts as far as Salvation is concerned.....You received THAT Baptism the moment that you Trusted Jesus Plus Nothing for your Salvation.....

 

[Tong2020]

Hitler was baptized when he was an infant.....

In the RCC? I was not aware of that.

Tong
R4773

 

[Mungo]

My point in my post is that, it is not baptism with water or it is not water through which God saves, but through faith.

But not faith alone. Scripture says belief + baptism = salvation.

As with regards your question you’ll have the answer in 1 Pet.3:21 and context.

Tong
R4770

1Pet 3:21 says Baptism saves us now.

 

[Mungo]

When Jesus died, resurrected and ascended to the Father, in heaven, He had effectively accomplished what He was to accomplish, that He came on earth, to the world of mankind, to be the Savior of the world.

What commandment he gave the 11 disciples, and later Paul, after that, was to bear witness to the truth and preach the gospel (the word of God) to all nations, that is, not only of the Jews. The 11 and Paul were not sent to be saviors, but apostles. For God is the Savior, not any man. He had done what needs to be done to save His people, being the Savior of them. As Jesus put it, when he was about to die at the cross, “it is finished”.

In addition to that, the 11 were sent to make disciples of all nations - baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that Jesus have commanded them.

One must realize the distinction between the preaching and discipling.

Christ is the one who builds His church. He is the one who adds to it daily, those who are being saved.

Any and all work done through us by Jesus Christ must not be mistaken as being ours and all the things to be done such as baptism, must not be mistaken as though such is what and that which saves a person.

Tong
R4771

Not a single piece of Scripture.
We are saved in Baptism. That is what Scripture says.
And Jesus said He who believes and is baptized will be saved.(MK 16:16)
Peter wrote: ...eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (1Pet 3:20:21)
Why don't you believe what Scripture says?