How Evil Are Humans?
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"You don't know if you're a Gentile nor where Jesus will return."
Luke 1
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,
Yes, Jesus is the God of Israel!
Yeah, I love the Christian Bible and Jesus, the God of Israel? And I love you. Maybe God will pull you from the fire!
What are you?
Gabriel _Arch
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Hold the phone!
Aren't you one that makes false charges against Israel and Jews?
Immanuel was Jewish. Having inherited his Jewish heritage through the Matrilineal line of his mother Mary who was an ancestor of King David.
That you hold no appreciation for this would in my mind make you a hostile presence here.
Gabriel _Arch
Well-Known Member
Maybe you two jokers don't realize your back and forth can be read by any who choose to take the time.
Those are not examples of love.
God in Heaven, what have I walked into?
This nonsense isn't Christianity.
You sound like a fence sitter. You're either for or against Jesus, the God of Israel.
Of course I do believe that God can change hearts but my point and the fact is that all Israel wasn’t saved many have died as unbelievers only the true church are who all have been and will be saved
Gabriel _Arch
Well-Known Member
Sitting on the fence watching a cat fight like you and the other joker invest time in is the best place for any actual Christian to be.
Your actions aren't defending the God of the Bible. It's conceding to sin! By responding in kind to the invasive coven of demons risen from the pit.
WAKE UP!
Do you understand the difference between a Jew by religion and a Jew by race?
Gabriel _Arch
Well-Known Member
All Christian sisters and brothers here need to stop inviting the demonic
rhetoric that sees this site as opportunity to blaspheme God and his plan.
Racists who make claims about a difference in ethnic Israel and the spiritual are a curse!
Cleave to God's promise. And shun the coven of demons that are inviting discord in our church,community of Christians, here.
Deuteronomy 30, Zechariah 8, Romans 11.
Damned are the racist demon coveners. Don't follow their invitation to blaspheme God's people and plan. Ignore them until they're banned.
rhetoric that sees this site as opportunity to blaspheme God and his plan.
Racists who make claims about a difference in ethnic Israel and the spiritual are a curse!
Cleave to God's promise. And shun the coven of demons that are inviting discord in our church,community of Christians, here.
Deuteronomy 30, Zechariah 8, Romans 11.
Damned are the racist demon coveners. Don't follow their invitation to blaspheme God's people and plan. Ignore them until they're banned.
Why don't you just reply to comments instead of personal attacks?
Matthew 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Did Christ condemn the scribes and pharisees because of their race, or because of their religion?
He certainly differentiated between ethnic and spiritual Israel. Was He a cursed racist?
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Gabriel _Arch
Well-Known Member
I have responded to posts.
You are in no position to lecture anyone.
You enable the personal attacks on scripture,and in so doing also personally attack those who goad you with their blatant racism and profound ignorance of the Bible.
But you love them. No. You keep it going.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Disagree.
He knew his nakedness was a shame unto him and covered himself best he could.
Disagree.
Adam was physically alive and lived many years outside of the Garden, yet spiritually and physically separated from God.
Disagree.
(Luke, student of Jesus)
Luke 3:
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Not sure why you believe you are the only one grasping the understanding of a relationship between A Physical man and A Spiritual God.
All Alive Body’s of men ARE Mortally, Physically Alive, regardless if they are Spiritually With or Separated From God.
“We” is ambiguous.
Physical bodily Death is required (by God) for ALL men. (Gen 9:5)
When, How, the physical body dies is irrelevant.
The Circumstances of the physical bodily death, MATTERS. The Individual willingly “GIVING” his body unto DEATH, expressly FOR that individuals LOVE of God…(or not).
Life is the relevance…of How the dead body shall be RAISED UP.
Glorified (wholly, whole, holy), sentenced to Forever Life,BECAUSE of that Individuals LOVE of God.
Or
Still (sin in the body), sentenced to Destruction, BECAUSE of that Individuals LACK of LOVE of God.
Get your point. However, What “WAS” there with Adam…was:
* Gods Word…whose name was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Power…whose title was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Wisdom…whose title was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Seed…whose title was NOT Yet revealed.
For SOME yes. For OTHERS no.
Already have said the same.
Adam’s PHYSICAL Bodily Death occurred, many years After he was sent out of the Garden.
You are trying to make a “spiritual death”, a “physical death”, BEFORE the “physical death” occurs.
A man CAN KNOW “spiritual things”….
A MORTAL man CAN NOT SEE “spiritual things” with mortal EYES.
A MORTAL mans EYES “shall see” “spiritual things” AS THEY ARE (spiritual), when the MORTAL man IS RAISED in immortality.
Adam did not experience a “new body of death”.
Adam experienced “his original old body”, experiencing a spiritual death, (spiritual, non physical), death, which is: a spiritual separation from …. The Spiritual God.
Disagree.
You are stating; YOUR human understanding.
Nothing what soever reveals Adam “WAS” or “WAS called” a “son of God” on the day he was created and made Alive and Put in Gods Garden”.
* sons of God, is another in-depth topic.
Stop confusing yourself with being God.
No and No, was a response to YOUR WORDS.
I said NOTHING whatsoever in rejecting Gods Word.
Sure, I DO KNOW, based on I TRUST what God Taught Isaiah, and was written for me TO KNOW, and my option to believe and trust is Truth, which I do.
Whether YOU know, or choose to trust or believe, has NOTHING whatsoever to do with my choices.
Yep, true. I do not claim Adam physically bodily died that instant Adam disobeyed God (in the Garden).
Gen 5 (reveals your own lack of understanding and reveals your claim of Adam’s physical death in the Garden is false.)
Gen 5:
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[4] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
[5] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Sounds like you are deceived and unknowing physically Dead men DO NOT REPRODUCE offspring.
You have neither quoted what Paul wrote, nor I have made a response to what you did not quote….I have zero requirement to respond to your imagination claims, nor did I.
Taken
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Same as a baby toddling around.
Do this….response/consequence toddler likes
Do not do that….response/consequence toddler does not like
The funky part…Adam was not created as a baby, yet had not the maturity, or all the experiences as a baby who sees and hears and does during childhood and maturing.
Adam experienced for good and to his liking…
The garden, being told things, the food he could decide and eat, having animals brought to him to see, giving them names he chose, having another manKIND of thing for company….
And “ONE” THING to AVOID.
And “WHY” (the consequence to AVOID that “ONE” thing).
Adam (the male), did not LOOK at that “Tree”, did not LISTEN to that thing in that “Tree”, did not TALK to that thing in that “Tree”, did not reach out and TAKE anything from that “Tree”….
Adam’s downfall was listening, believing, taking, eating, From what (the female manKIND of thing) convinced Adam was “GOOD” to eat.
(It’s a lesson. Learn Gods Word First, so that no matter WHO (even your family, spouse, preacher, teacher) tells you what is opposite of Gods word…Nothing whatsoever, no matter how your mind can logically conclude is ‘good’, rely and trust in Gods Word, OVER all other Words.)
Adam’s choice and experience affected ALL of manKIND naturally born AFTER him.
Gods Design created ALL of manKIND with Freewill,, (same as Adam)
Gods Grace gave ALL of manKIND an OFFERING of Choices (same as Adam)
All individual men MAKE their own Choices, to CHOOSE,, what God has OFFERED, or what God has WARNED AGAINST Choosing.
Scripture reveals an individual’s OPTION for making Choices, IS LIMITED to the timeframe of WHILE its BODY is naturally ALIVE with the Body’s LIFE (which is it’s BLOOD).
Thereafter, the BODY without LIFE IN IT, can MAKE no choices.
Aside from a man MAKING “choices”, the physical body has “instinctual” REACTIONS.
A face distorts, when it tastes something extremely tart or sour.
A hand withdraws from a hot item without flame or smoke.
ETC.
Do you find it interesting…(consuming)_ ie. Eating a particular thing was something Adam was told not to do…..and drinking of anything was ever mentioned?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
God’s word is so easy to understand...whereas manmade commentary/ theology....counts for “ nothing “.they add to his word...therefore heresy.
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 3
New International Version
The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Agree.
ISRAEL, is the broad name given to BLOOD STOCK offspring of ALL descendants of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Hebrews, 12 Tribes, and now all calling themselves and being called by others: JEWS (who were originally only of the Tribe of Judah).
ISRAEL, “Jews” do not become Gentiles.
GENTILES, do not become ISRAEL / Jews.
Faithful to the Lord God Almighty, BECOME “made” By the Power of God. And “declared” By the Authority of God……“sons of God”. …
And “kept” By the Power of God….”sons of God.
Glory to God,
Taken
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