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Zao is life

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Can you say, 'God bless Israel and the Jews'? Or are you too filled with hatred?
Can you say God bless Palestinian Arabs with salvation in Christ? Or are you too filled with hatred?

If only they and all the Jews could be saved in Christ. The Arab Palestinians will stop hating and fighting against Israel and the Jews and there will be a one-state solution IN CHRIST.

BUT you are too busy "loving" and "blessing" one nation that say "God has no Son" and hating and cursing another nation that say "Allah as no Son" to even think to pray aright for any of them.

Your "loving" and "blessing" of Jews who are not in Christ by calling them "Israel" and "God's elect" is in fact cursing them. God has no regard for your human "love".

You DO NOT love the Jews and Israel the way Christ does, the way Paul and all the apostles did. They loved them enough to tell them THE (GOSPEL) TRUTH.

But you hate the (gospel) truth and love the lie of your "love" for Israel and the Jews.
 
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Zao is life

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He's the Savior of ALL who believe in Him! The God of Israel.
So you've just admitted that Israel = those who believe in Jesus.

Well done. We're finally getting somewhere. The small baby steps of someone who is learning the truth for the first time.
 
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So can you say "God bless His Church of His Chosen People, faithful and obedient to Him, from every nation"?

I ask, because they are Israel.

As above. You cannot bless Israel, because you attack Christ and those who belong to Him, who are Israel, through your false accusations. Then you go over and above that by falsely accusing those who do bless Israel because they bless Christ and all who belong to Him, of falsely attacking Israel.
Christianity is not Israel! We are Gentiles.
 

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How many believers will He find among the Jews when He returns?
Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."


What does the Bible teach will happen to all unbelievers?

Do you care?
Hell fire! Yes I care. That's why I'm trying to pull the Israel wannabees from the everlasting fire for trying to steal Israel's identity!
 

Jack

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So you say He's NOT the Savior of all Jews who do not believe in Him?

What's going to happen to them when He returns?
And again:

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
 

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It's talking about Jesus. And you defend the ones who curse Him through their attitude towards His blood that was shed for them.
Have you never read the Bible?

Ezekiel 11
17 Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel." '

And He has!

18 And they will go there, and they will take away all its detestable things and all its abominations from there.
19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

And He will!
 

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Can you say God bless Palestinian Arabs with salvation in Christ? Or are you too filled with hatred?
There you go folks! The truth comes out. A Hamas troll!
If only they and all the Jews could be saved in Christ. The Arab Palestinians will stop hating and fighting against Israel and the Jews and there will be a one-state solution IN CHRIST.
Is that why Hamas sneak attacked innocent people and MURDERED them?
BUT you are too busy "loving" and "blessing" one nation that say "God has no Son" and hating and cursing another nation that say "Allah as no Son" to even think to pray aright for any of them.

Your "loving" and "blessing" of Jews who are not in Christ by calling them "Israel" and "God's elect" is in fact cursing them. God has no regard for your human "love".

You DO NOT love the Jews and Israel the way Christ does, the way Paul and all the apostles did. They loved them enough to tell them THE (GOSPEL) TRUTH.

But you hate the (gospel) truth and love the lie of your "love" for Israel and the Jews.
You're not Israel. You're a wannabee!
 

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Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."
The Deliverer came out of Zion and made the New Covenant with Jacob when He took away their sins nearly 2,000 years ago.

Sorry, only those in Him are the saved of Israel. Your dream of a future fulfillment of what Romans 11 tells us, which in actual fact started being fulfilled nearly 2,00 years ago and is being fulfilled until the return of Christ, is your own pipe-dream.

Israel is being saved every time a Jewish person repents and turns to faith in Christ and is grafted back into Israel, as well as every time a Gentile repents and turns to faith in Christ and is grafted into Israel among the believing Jewish remnant, thanks to the Deliverer who came out of Zion and made a new covenant with Jacob in the day He took away their (and our) sins, nearly 2,000 years ago.

Hell fire! Yes I care. That's why I'm trying to pull the Israel wannabees from the everlasting fire for trying to steal Israel's identity!
You're suffering from an identity crisis. We understand. You can't help yourself.
 
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The Deliverer came out of Zion and made the New Covenant with Jacob when He took away their sins nearly 2,000 years ago.
Your opinion.
Sorry, only those in Him are the saved of Israel. Your dream of a future fulfillment of what Romans 11 tells us is being fulfilled until the return of Christ, is your own pipe-dream.
Guess where Jesus will return. Get a map. It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible. You're not Israel.
Israel is being saved every time a Jewish person repents and turns to faith in Christ and is grafted back into Israel, as well as every time a Gentile repents and turns to faith in Christ and in grafted into Israel among that believing Jewish remnant, thanks to the Deliverer who came out of Zion and made a new covenant with Jacob in the day He took away their (and our) sins, nearly 2,000 years ago.
What an imagination!
You're suffering from an identity crisis. We understand. You can't help yourself.
We? Are you hearing voices? You're still not Israel.
 

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Present day humans are incredibly WICKED. Millions DEMAND their 'right' to murder millions of unborn babies. Politicians are LYING THIEVES! Need I mention lawyers? Corporations? Big Lying Pharma? And as wicked as humans are, imagine how wicked humanity must have been for God to drown everyone on Earth but 8! God is justified! It's a miracle that God has mercy on any of us! If you love God with all your heart be thankful! It's a gift.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
People today aren't as wicked as they were before Christ came. Human beings were much worse before then. In his gospel, John says that Jesus is the light of the world, and he attempted to lead the world to Life. (with a capital 'L').

John 8:12
Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
In many discernable ways, wherever Jesus influenced the world, the amount of evil and wickedness decreased. The more people walked in the light of Jesus, the less evil could spread and wreak havoc. But Jesus warned his disciples that the world would not always have his light.

John 12:35-36
So Jesus said to them, “For a little while longer the Light is among you. Walk while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes. While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of Light.”

Today, the world is walking in darkness because the world hates the truth and those who are walking in darkness don't know where they are going. And the more they continue to walk in darkness, the more likely that the darkness will over take them.
 

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Israel are those who are in Christ, the seed of Israel to whom the promises were made. Galatians 3:16. You honor the false claims of "the elect" made on the part of a nation that does not have the Father or the Son and remain broken off from Israel - from the Olive Tree - from God's calling of Abraham and his seed and covenant promises to Abraham and his seed.

The N.T says so!

God bless Israel (the Jews and Gentiles in Christ).
Amen
 
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