How could the Messiah be sinless?

[Heart2Soul]

Yes, the virgin Mary miraculously got pregnant, as there in her womb, is conceived that is of the Holy Spirit. But what was conceived in her was not a new soul or a new creature. For this is what is said in scriptures concerning the incarnation of the Word, who is the Messiah.

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.

Tong
R0828

Here is a little article about messiah....
This article is about the concept of a savior.

In Abrahamic religions, a messiah or messias (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎, romanized: māšîaḥ; Greek: μεσσίας, romanized: messías, Arabic: مسيح‎, romanized: masîḥ) is a saviour or liberator of a group of people. The concepts of mashiach, messianism, and of a Messianic Age originated in Judaism,[1][2] and in the Hebrew Bible; a mashiach (messiah) is a king or High Priest traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil. Messiahs were not exclusively Jewish: the Book of Isaiah refers to Cyrus the Great, king of the Achaemenid Empire, as a messiah[3] for his decree to rebuild the Jerusalem Temple.

Ha mashiach (המשיח, 'the Messiah', 'the anointed one'),[4][a] often referred to as melekh mashiach (מלך המשיח 'King Messiah'),[6] is to be a human leader, physically descended from the paternal Davidic line through King David and King Solomon. He is thought to accomplish predetermined things in only one future arrival, including the unification of the tribes of Israel,[7] the gathering of all Jews to Eretz Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, the ushering in of a Messianic Age[8] of global universal peace, and the annunciation of the world to come.[1][2]

In Christianity, the Messiah is called the Christ, from Greek: χριστός, romanized: khristós, translating the Hebrew word of the same meaning.[9] The concept of the Messiah in Christianity originated from the Messiah in Judaism. However, unlike the concept of the Messiah in Judaism, Jesus is considered by Christians additionally to be the Son of God. Christ became the accepted Christian designation and title of Jesus of Nazareth,[10] because Christians believe that the messianic prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled in his mission, death, and resurrection. These specifically include the prophecies of him being descended from the Davidic line, and being declared King of the Jews which happened on the day of his crucifixion. They believe that Christ will fulfill the rest of the messianic prophecies, specifically that he will usher in a Messianic Age and the world to come at his Second Coming. Some Christian denominations, such as Catholicism, instead believe in amillenialist theology, but the Catholic Church has not adopted this term.[11]

In Islam, Jesus was a prophet and the Masîḥ (مسيح), the Messiah sent to the Israelites, and he will return to Earth at the end of times, along with the Mahdi, and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, the false Messiah.[12] In Ahmadiyya theology, these prophecies concerning the Mahdi and the second coming of Jesus have been fulfilled in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908),[13] the founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement, and the terms 'Messiah' and 'Mahdi' are synonyms for one and the same person.[14]

In Chabad messianism,[15] Yosef Yitzchak Schneersohn (r. 1920–1950), sixth Rebbe (spiritual leader) of Chabad Lubavitch, and Menachem Mendel Schneerson (1902–1994), seventh Rebbe of Chabad, are Messiah claimants.[16][17][18][19] Resembling early Christianity, the deceased Schneerson is believed to be the Messiah among some adherents of the Chabad movement; his second coming is believed to be imminent.[20][21][22][23]

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Tong2020 Here is another definition.....a little more simpler to read.
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Messiah, (from Hebrew mashiaḥ, “anointed”), in Judaism, the expected king of the Davidic line who would deliver Israel from foreign bondage and restore the glories of its golden age. The Greek New Testament’s translation of the term, christos, became the accepted Christian designation and title of Jesus of Nazareth, indicative of the principal character and function of his ministry. More loosely, the term messiah denotes any redeemer figure; and the adjective messianic is used in a broad sense to refer to beliefs or theories about an eschatological improvement of the state of humanity or the world.

 

[Heart2Soul]

additional information to add to above post....
The biblical Old Testament never speaks of an eschatological messiah, and even the “messianic” passages that contain prophecies of a future golden age under an ideal king never use the term messiah. Nevertheless, many modern scholars believe that Israelite messianism grew out of beliefs that were connected with their nation’s kingship. When actual reality and the careers of particular historical Israelite kings proved more and more disappointing, the “messianic” kingship ideology was projected on the future.

After the Babylonian Exile, Jews’ prophetic vision of a future national restoration and the universal establishment of God’s kingdom became firmly associated with their return to Israel under a scion of David’s house who would be “the Lord’s anointed.” In the period of Roman rule and oppression, the Jews’ expectation of a personal messiah acquired increasing prominence and became the centre of other eschatological concepts held by various Jewish sects in different combinations and with varying emphases. In some sects, the “son of David” messianism, with its political implications, was overshadowed by apocalyptic notions of a more mystical character. Thus some believed that a heavenly being called the “Son of Man” (the term is derived from the Book of Daniel) would descend to save his people. The messianic ferment of this period, attested by contemporary Jewish-Hellenistic literature, is also vividly reflected in the New Testament. With the adoption of the Greek word Christ by the church of the Gentiles, the Jewish nationalist implications of the term messiah (implications that Jesus had explicitly rejected) vanished altogether, and the “Son of David” and “Son of Man” motifs could merge in a politically neutral and religiously highly original messianic conception that is central to Christianity.

 

[Taken]

Jesus is God wrapped in Human Flesh.
And because His Father is not a "human", the SEED that created Jesus is not human seed.
And because of this He was not born with the nature (adamic nature)(fallen) of the First Adam.
This is why Jesus is the 2nd Adam. Created by God, as God in the Flesh, sinless.

Behold-
It is difficult to answer a question such as the
OP-
"How could the Messiah be sinless?"
Using a word that has "multiple" meanings, but not "establishing" which meaning is "intended".

1) Create- meaning-
bring (something) into existence.

2) Create- meaning-
cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions.

"janc" question... clearly is wondering HOW could the Messiah, NOT EXIST, and then be Created (brought INTO Existence) Without Sin, IF ONLY God is Is Without Beginning And SINLESS.

Clearly- you are using Create Definition (2) and janc is using Create Definition (1).

Fact IS-
God IS Without a Beginning.
Gods Word; Called Jesus;
Gods Body; Called Son;
Gods Spirit (Power); Called Christ;
Gods Spirit (Seed); Called Christ;
Gods Spirit (Wisdom); Called Christ;

Gods Word, Power, Seed, Wisdom...are particular and Spectfic Things that Are God, Are IN God, Remain IN God, (Yet also come Forth OUT from God).

It is What those "particular" things (Word, Power, Seed, Wisdom) coming forth OUT from God, ARE Named/Called, (By God Himself)(Jesus, Son, Christ), that Notifies us:
Specifically:
IT IS God Himself:
"IT" IS NOT ... a non-Existant Thing, being Created and Revealed.
"IT IS" an Everlasting Thing, Without Beginning, Being Revealed , IN A FASHION, human (Earthly) men CAN Hear AND See.

WHY?
Historical Scripture tells us WHY.
Common Nature of mankind tells us WHY.

Natural Mankind's NATURE IS TO Believe, what their EYES Can SEE, over and ABOVE, what a man HEARS.

Early Heads of Tribes of men, were Given (by God), words from God AND Visions from God TO SEE.

Early Heads of Tribes Could Only REPEAT Gods Words to their People. They Could Not Give their People Gods Visions.

Over a course of 4,000 years Many Men Stopped Believing Second Hand Information from generation to generation Handed down to Them....and Began Establishing and Believing IN, and Worshiping, man's own "Man-Made" gods..(moon, stars, sun, men, statues, etc. Things men COULD SEE).

2,000 years ago God intervened, and SENT forth OUT from Himself, His Word, IN the FASHION as MAN, His Power, IN the Fashion as Man...for "thousands" of human (Earthly) MEN TO "hear" AND "SEE" in the FLESH, face to face...(with Specific NAMES) that THEY might Believe AND Then TESTIFY to others, what THEY had "heard" AND "SEEN"....

JESUS- is Not a Human (Earthly) man.
JESUS- Is- the Word of God, without Beginning, Sent Forth OUT from Gods Mouth, Revealed TO Mankind, IN A FLESH BODY, God PREPARED specifically for thousands of mankind TO SEE...THAT BODY LIVING...THAT BODY DIE...THAT BODY LIVING AGAIN...SHOWING Mankind (BY Examply)...
The Power of God To Raise UP the Dead.

It is a Mystery of God...God Himself Revealed to "CREATED" Mankind.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath Purposed in himself:

Purposed (IN) Himself (God)....
AND
Revealed (BY) Himself (God)...
NAMES To Call, the Mystery God Revealed.

Eph 3:
[11] According to the eternal purpose which he Purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

-janc- follow the ORDER - of WHAT and WHEN God Reveals His Knowledge.

First Mary- exclusively told "she" would have "a son".
Mary- surprised- since she had not been with a man.
Mary- told- it had nothing to do with a man- but rather that Babe- "is a holy thing", IN her Womb, BY the Power OF God (Not by having Sex with a man, Nor BY and through the SEED of a man)----But rather ---that Babe IN her Womb, Was IN her Womb, BY the Means of The Power of God...
AND WOULD BE- revealed "TO BE CALLED"- the "SON of God".

Next Joseph (Mary's Betrothed/Engaged), Learned Mary was Pregnant. Joseph's immediate (Natural) Reaction was to suppose Mary (his betrothed), had been with a man.

Joseph was Notified, BY an angelic Servant of God...That Mary WAS pregnant with a son child, BY the Power of God. Thus Joseph Married Mary, AND IN obedience TO Roman Law, traveled with his Wife and kin, From Nazareth To Bethlehem, (where the child was born, AND Joseph in Obedience to Gods Servant, Named the Child JESUS), AND Registered with Roman Authorities IN Bethlehem, the Census Number of Occupants of his Household.

It was Much Later, Jesus, The Word of God, was Revealed To the Public at Large...That He IS The Christ Messiah of God...and there After Being Called, "The Son of God"....which Began the DIVISION Among the People...particularly JEWS...because: God CAN NOT "Reproduce" a thing "that is Without" a Beginning.
Thus... JESUS claiming TO BE, The Son of God...means Jesus was Claiming "TO BE God"...and in Jewish Law...it IS blasphemy For Anyone TO Claim "they" ARE God.
Jewish Law...required Killing Anyone Who Claimed "to BE God".
(BUT), Jews were Under Roman Rule, without Authority to Legally KILL Anyone.
Thus the Jews Against Jesus, Had To USE A WAY, to get the Romans TO USE their own Law, to Find Jesus Guilty of "something", so the Romans Would Kill Jesus.
The Romans never Did Find Jesus Guilty of violating any Roman Laws.
However once a year, Jews Were Allowed One Prisoner Exchange. The Jews Against Jesus, chose to Exchange Jesus for the prisoner Barabas. And the Execution (with a large Crowd as Witnessess) of Jesus, BY Crucifixion Commenced.

That Body "God Prepared", OF FLESH and BLOOD and BONE TO BE "Revealed" TO mankind, To BE "Given" Unto Death FOR the Life OF Mankind...To BE "Offered" to Any Willing man to Accept Gods OFFERING...
WAS Accomplished.

God DID NOT Offer a Human Earthly man TO Human Earthly men TO Save men FROM Corruption.

God OFFERED Himself, To Save (willing) mankind.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou (God) prepared me: (JESUS)...

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

* ACCEPTING Gods Offering; IS ACCEPTING;
Christ the Lord Jesus IS God Himself IN a FLESH Body "God Prepared", IN the LIKE Appearence, as A (Human Man), WITHOUT the Corrupt Sin OF a Human man, TO Teach Earthly Human men, HOW TO BECOME Saved from Human Corruption, and Become "changed" and "MADE" (By and Through the Grace and Power of God) IN Gods "Likeness".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Renniks]

You may be a very confused man when you see Jesus and God, Simon wasnt,

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

so many religious people gnashing there teeth.

Why would I be confused? Why do you confuse the mystery of the godhead, which, like many things about God, we can not fully understand, with confusion?
Do you claim to fully understand the God of the universe? Job sure didn't and I think he was a pretty smart dude.

 

[Joseph77]

Why would I be confused? Why do you confuse the mystery of the godhead, which, like many things about God, we can not fully understand, with confusion?
Do you claim to fully understand the God of the universe? Job sure didn't and I think he was a pretty smart dude.

Someone who posted who denies Jesus , who does not abide in Jesus, who does not know God,
called you confused....
In other words, someone believing only lies said you are or could be? confused.
Is the posting lies correct, or wrong again ?

 

[Behold]

Behold-
It is difficult to answer a question such as the
OP-
"How could the Messiah be sinless?"

If Jesus is not sinless, then the Cross is useless.
So, God died on it, to insure it would be a perfect one time Sacrifice.

 

[Renniks]

The fundamental necessity behind justice, is the guilty party, or a peer representative, paying for the crime of The culprit.

That's what is so amazing about the cross. It sets our normal ideas about how justice must be accomplished upside down. It's the stunning and incomprehensible reality that the only one who was never guilty takes our punishment on him.
But yes, it meant God must become human to accomplish this task, which is even more incomprehensible.
BTW, the atonement was more than just a legal transaction. That's only one aspect of the incredible fullness of the death and resurrection of our Lord.

 

[Joseph77]

That's what is so amazing about the cross. It sets our normal ideas about how justice must be accomplished upside down. It's the stunning and incomprehensible reality that the only one who was never guilty takes our punishment on him.
But yes, it meant God must become human to accomplish this task, which is even more incomprehensible.
BTW, the atonement was more than just a legal transaction. That's only one aspect of the incredible fullness of the death and resurrection of our Lord.

 

[Taken]

If Jesus is not sinless, then the Cross is useless.
So, God died on it, to insure it would be a perfect one time Sacrifice.

So, the Perfect SINLESS Body God Prepared, Died on the Cross, to Give to the World, an Opportunity to "Accept His Offering" ,of Forgiveness AND Salvation... Before their Own Physical Death.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Tong2020]

@Heart2Soul

The OT people, whom God had chosen to speak to at various times and in various ways in time past, did not understand His words and His scriptures. Even the Levite priests who were tasked of teaching the people about scriptures, with regards the Messiah, themselves had failed in this. They have departed from the way and caused many to stumble at the law. They, who were supposed to search and study the words of God in scriptures and teach the people, themselves have not kept God's ways, but have shown partiality in the law. We see Jesus talking about this misdeed in scriptures (Mt. 23, Luke 11). So that, Israel in general, came to know not really what truth scriptures says of the Messiah. Thus, all sorts of such wrong notions about the Messiah came up. In addition to what had become from such misdeed by the teachers of the Law, was their error in pursuing the law of righteousness, in that they did not seek it by faith, but by the works of the law. They were led astray and were taught to follow the Law by the letter by their elders and teachers who had become hypocrites.

But after the cross, there must now be no more mistake about the Messiah. For what they knew not before the cross concerning the Messiah, had thereafter been made manifest and revealed, not only to them Jews, but also to the Gentiles. The Messiah is no other but the Lord Himself, whose name is Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Tong
R0830

 

[Joseph77]

The OT people, whom God had chosen to speak to at various times and in various ways in time past, did not understand His words and His scriptures. Even the Levite priests who were tasked of teaching the people about scriptures, with regards the Messiah, themselves had failed in this.

The Nation Chosen by the Almighty for Himself, did understand (at times) ,
and the Levite priests did not "fail" in this concerning the Messiah.
It was not given/ granted/ revealed to them.

It was hidden by the Creator from them - though the kings and prophets eagerly desired to look into this, and to see what was revealed by the Creator later as written in His Word.

 

[Joseph77]

But after the cross, there must now be no more mistake about the Messiah. For what they knew not before the cross concerning the Messiah, had thereafter been made manifest and revealed, not only to them Jews, but also to the Gentiles. The Messiah is no other but the Lord Himself, whose name is Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

AMEN!

Though most all the world rejects it, and never understands.

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Heart2Soul

The OT people, whom God had chosen to speak to at various times and in various ways in time past, did not understand His words and His scriptures. Even the Levite priests who were tasked of teaching the people about scriptures, with regards the Messiah, themselves had failed in this. They have departed from the way and caused many to stumble at the law. They, who were supposed to search and study the words of God in scriptures and teach the people, themselves have not kept God's ways, but have shown partiality in the law. We see Jesus talking about this misdeed in scriptures (Mt. 23, Luke 11). So that, Israel in general, came to know not really what truth scriptures says of the Messiah. Thus, all sorts of such wrong notions about the Messiah came up. In addition to what had become from such misdeed by the teachers of the Law, was their error in pursuing the law of righteousness, in that they did not seek it by faith, but by the works of the law. They were led astray and were taught to follow the Law by the letter by their elders and teachers who had become hypocrites.

But after the cross, there must now be no more mistake about the Messiah. For what they knew not before the cross concerning the Messiah, had thereafter been made manifest and revealed, not only to them Jews, but also to the Gentiles. The Messiah is no other but the Lord Himself, whose name is Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Tong
R0830

Oh I agree, Jesus is the Messiah that the Torah taught about but the Jews refused to believe Jesus was the Messiah because they were expecting the Messiah to be a powerful Royal King from the lineage of King David.....so they were looking for one of great wealth and power to come and restore to them what they had lost.
But Jesus came and of all things was the son of a carpenter. It didn't fit their narrative at all.

 

[Behold]

So, the Perfect SINLESS Body God Prepared, Died on the Cross, to Give to the World, an Opportunity to "Accept His Offering" ,of Forgiveness AND Salvation... Before their Own Physical Death.

Glory to God,
Taken

You just perfectly explained :

John 3:16

 

[Tong2020]

The Nation Chosen by the Almighty for Himself, did understand (at times) ,
and the Levite priests did not "fail" in this concerning the Messiah.
It was not given/ granted/ revealed to them.

It was hidden by the Creator from them - though the kings and prophets eagerly desired to look into this, and to see what was revealed by the Creator later as written in His Word.

Read Malachi 2:1-9, Mt. 23, Luke 11 regarding the failure and misdeed of the priests and teachers of the law, scribes, and Pharisees.

God said to the priests in Malachi 2:8, "You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,”. Now, how does this relates to the Messiah?

Gal. 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

God gave them the Law, which would be a tutor to them to bring them to Christ. But apparently, many were not brought to Christ, because of the failure of the priesthood.

Tong
R0834

 

[Joseph77]

God gave them the Law, which would be a tutor to them to bring them to Christ. But apparently, many were not brought to Christ

Same today....

 

[mjrhealth]

Why would I be confused? Why do you confuse the mystery of the godhead, which, like many things about God, we can not fully understand, with confusion?
Do you claim to fully understand the God of the universe? Job sure didn't and I think he was a pretty smart dude.

Things are onky mysteriex to those who do not press in God reveals things to those who seek Him, just few can be bothered, and yes i know Him as some do and And He knows us, no one has alll the answers He is far to big for our pathetic little brains

 

[Joseph77]

Such language from someone who denies Jesus is God,
indicates ....
what you said ....

 

[mjrhealth]

Such language from someone who denies Jesus is God,
indicates ....
what you said ....

????