How can David write "ancient", when it's modern

[PropphecyStudent]

In the book, "Hidden Prophecies in the Psalms", J.R. Church makes the point that the Psalms is the 19th book of the bible. He also asserts that the chapters appear to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900s. Thus book 19, chapter 44 appears to depict the Holocaust; book 19, chapter 48 appears to depict the international recognition of the nation of Israel; etc.

And I would propose that if one is sufficiently familiar with modern Jewish history, (from the Jewish perspective), one could readily assign not only chapter themes, but also specific verse depictions to those respective years.

 

[Episkopos]

UMM...the Hebrew bible puts Jonah as the 19th book. Psalms is the 30th book.

 

[PropphecyStudent]

1. Genesis
2. Exodus
3. Leviticus
4. Numbers
5. Deuteronomy
6. Joshua
7. Judges
8. Ruth
9. 1 Samuel
10. 2 Samuel
11. 1 Kings
12. 2 Kings
13. 1 Chronicles
14. 2 Chronicles
15. Ezra
16.Nehemiah
17.Esther
18.Job
19.Psalms
20.Proverbs
21.Ecclesiastes
22.Song of Solomon
etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_of_the_Authorized_King_James_Version



I think most texts are representative of the KJV sequence of 19. Secondly, did you read the chapters in context with the 1900s as explained? And if so, did you discover what J.R. Church proposed?

 

[PropphecyStudent]

Apparently many people wrote into the J.R. Church "Prophecy In The News", and accounted historical events which had this apparent Psalms Chapter for year association, which was the impetus for his book.

According to this premise, if anyone were to take a significant historical event in modern Jewish history, such as the Holocaust, one should find what appears to be a prophecy for the Holocaust in the 44th chapter:

Psalms 44
[sup]11[/sup] You have made us like sheep for slaughter
and have scattered us among the nations.


And if there is significance in repetition, (and possibly numerical ~coincidence~) then one should consider an second verse in this chapter:


Psalms 44
[sup]22[/sup] Yet for your sake we are killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.


But to validate this premise, one would be well considered if they compared other Chapters in the Psalms for a potential persistent theme which might carry through this entire Book:


Verse 11 cites the word "meat" (Strong's #H3978)
Verse 22 cites the word "slaughter" (Strong's H#2878)

As such, it's an easy search to find that Strong's #H3978 is found in Psalm 74:14

[sup]14 [/sup]You broke the heads of Leviathan in pieces,
And gave him as food to the people inhabiting the wildernes


And Strongs #H2878 has no other reference for this Book except in this 44th Chapter.



At this point, it would seem this is sufficientially ~coincidental~ to justify further evalutation.

 

[Phillip]

Psalms 44 as well as 48 (as well as every other O.T. prophecy), was a prophecy concerning the Christians and Christ's Coming, which was of course, only fulfilled in Christ and His Christian witnesses, whom, as Paul also confirmed;


(Psa 44:22) Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Fulfilled in Christians;

(Rom 8:35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
(Rom 8:36) Even as it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
(Rom 8:37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
(Rom 8:38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
(Rom 8:39) nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Likewise, Psa 48 only finds it's fulfillment in Christ in the N.T.
It is all about the Beautiful City of the Great King.
This is only Christians in Christ, as referred to in the N.T.

Heb 12:22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than that of Abel.
Of whom are true New Jerusalem Christians are born;

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.

(Mat 5:35) nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.

She is Christ's Wife;

(Rom 7:4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (fruit = sons of God, His and her children)

(Rev 21:9) ...Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

This is how we appear to Him :)

(Rev 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

(Rev 12:1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(Rev 12:2) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

We are "pregnant" containing within us His Son, even Christ in us is being 'formed' as a result of conceiving from this Marriage of us with Jesus the Bridegroom.

It is how Christ "COMES";

(Joh 16:18) They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

(Joh 16:21) A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Praise Jesus!

PS beware of Jewish "futurism" fables which rob the Gospel of this meaning, putting it off into some future age amongst godless anti-christ Jews.

(Tit 1:14)
(Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.)

 

[PropphecyStudent]

Hi Philip,

I don't disagree that many prophecies have multiple fulfillments, -- especially evident in the Psalms. I'm merely presenting the concept proposed by J.R. Church which appears to parallel modern Jewish history. As such, I would propose that Psalms 44 mirrors the Holocaust. I would equally argue that Psalms 48 mirrors the International recognition of the nation of Israel:

Psalms 48
[sup]4 [/sup]For behold, the kings assembled,
They passed by together.
[sup]5 [/sup]They saw it, and so they marveled;
They were troubled, they hastened away.
[sup]6 [/sup]Fear took hold of them there,
And pain, as of a woman in birth pangs,


For did not the U.N. assembly witness the recognition of this nation, first by the United States, and then Russia, and is now? And what of the ships of Tarshish:


[sup]7 [/sup]As when You break the ships of Tarshish
With an east wind.


How is it that the New Jerusalem relates to this verse?



But I think your agenda has nothing to do with a Prophetic Psalms premise. It would appear that you are as some others who posted in this Forum, who hate the Jews and propose racist ideals. So if my perception is accurate, please allow me to provide the following verse:

Gen. 12
[sup]1[/sup] The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
[sup]2[/sup] “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
[sup]3[/sup] I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”


Beware.

 

[PropphecyStudent]

Psalms 48:7
[sup]7 [/sup]As when You break the ships of Tarshish
With an east wind.


If the J.R Church correctly characterized the Psalms as being Prophetic as proposed in his book "Hidden Prophecies in the Psalms", then certainly one could evaluate the Chapters and verses for historical fulfillments. And as already queried, if Psalms 48, verse 7 cites the "ships of Tarshish", then who is "Tarshish"?

Some Bible dictionaries provide that "Tarshish" is understood as "distant sea trader", and "distant paradise". And certainly history would account that England would have not only been perceived in those THREE characterizations (distant, sea trader, & paradise), but England was also governing the territory the Jew wanted to claim as their homeland. So for the nation of Israel to be recognized, the English authority over Palestine had to be ended,ut the evidence in verse 7 does not simply cite the breaking of that governorship, but alludes to "an east wind".

As such it's important to recall that the nation of England not only governed Palestine, but also India in this 1940's era. And where England lost control of India (the "east wind"), so too it lost control of Palestine. And all this history from one short verse in Chapter 48.



So it begs the audience to consider how much more is to be addressed and how many libraries could be filled with the simple verses of the Psalms in context with the 1900s, chapter for year.






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[PropphecyStudent]

... but in Psalms 24, there an interesting context:


Psalm 24

[sup]1[/sup] The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein,
[sup]2[/sup] for he has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the rivers.
[sup]3[/sup] Who shall ascend the hill of the LORD? And who shall stand in his holy place?
[sup]4[/sup] He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false and does not swear deceitfully.
[sup]5[/sup] He will receive blessing from the LORD and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
[sup]6[/sup] Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek the face of the God of Jacob.
Selah
[sup]7[/sup] Lift up your heads, O gates!
And be lifted up, O ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
[sup]8[/sup] Who is this King of glory?
The LORD, strong and mighty,
the LORD, mighty in battle!
[sup]9[/sup] Lift up your heads, O gates!
And lift them up, O ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.
[sup]10[/sup] Who is this King of glory?
The LORD of hosts,
he is the King of glory!
Selah


Here we see the establishment of who God is, then the calling of a peoples, and then the restoration of the ancient doors.

Exactly how can this Psalm be ancient when the doors would be modern?
Or better said, -- how is this Psalm modern, because the doors are ancient?


So if this is a modern prophecy, then was there some fulfillment as to both the conception of a nation, (but not the BIRTH), and a calling of peoples?

As early as the 1880’s European and Arabian Jews realized the vision of emigrating to Palestine. By the year 1924 there had been three ‘aliya’s’, or immigration waves. These first three waves provided a population base of 120,000 settlers. The fourth wave, from 1924 to 1929, increased this populous by over 57% to 186,000. This net population total is even more impressive when considering that approximately 33% of the arriving Jews re-emigrated. By 1948 the Jewish population measured at 650,000.[1]​

[1] Amos Elon, Israelis Founders and Sons, Rinehart and Winston, NY, 1971, p. 135​

 

[Secondhand Lion]

Does he suggest that over 100 runs into the year 2000? How does he suggest that works?

 

[PropphecyStudent]

Hi Secondhand Lion,

The short answer is yes, based upon simple addition:


1,900 + 99 = 1,999
1,900 + 100 = 2,000
1,900 + 101 = 2,001

... and so forth.

The question is and remains, are there events for not only the 1900's which match Chapter for year, but also for the 2000's which match Chapter for year? And where the former has several significant events to correlate, so too the latter, specifically surrounding the year 2018.

So when considering Psalms 117, one is met with the shortest Chapter in the Bible; when considering 118, one could conceive the return of the Lord; and when considering 119 one is met with the longest Chapter i the Bible. Is there a reason for 117 being the shortest, and 119 being the longest?

One could postulate such a scenario, and that I have done.