How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Lizbeth]

First...that's believe INTO Him...and that life is entered into right now. It doesn't say...shall inherit life. It says HAVE life.

You have to look beyond a carnal religious grasp of things. Believing INTO Jesus means being translated into the kingdom realm to walk in resurrection life NOW! Jesus Himself IS eternal life. He is the way, the truth and the life.


To believe into Him to be saved from the pull of this world and sin. We enter into the eternal kingdom realm through the DOOR which is Christ the Lord. Many are trying to get in through other ways...by reading themselves into the text. But Jesus is coming back as a thief to steal away the inheritance of all who don't go through Him.


Is that what you do??? Really? You don't interpret the words to suit a religious ideology?


The man-centric ego has to go to the cross to be crucified otherwise all religious man-centric egos will be cast out into outer darkness.


On that day there will be feasting and celebration....but also weeping and anger. No one knows which we will be part of....the first will be last and the last first. The kingdom realm is not like this world. Nothing goes the same way. Nothing.

Yes. And He loves the righteous, the poor, the widow, the fatherless. God is merciful. There is no questionnaire in regards to inheriting life.

You have completely missed God's ways.

You're not rightly dividing. We believed in/into/unto/on/upon Jesus when we came to FAITH in Him. That is what that word is talking about, as opposed to mere mental belief. You are assuming that we are starting out with nothing more than a mental belief in God rather than a true conversion by the Holy Spirit and faith of Christ, not of our own.

Though it doesn't end there, we have a race to run, the proving of our faith to undergo, testings and trials, a price to pay, etc. We need to be paying the price to be buying the extra oil for our lamps. They that are WISE will shine like the stars forever.

Phl 2:12-16

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Do everything without grumbling or arguing,

so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky

as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.



As you quoted above, Jesus Christ is God's Way for salvation. God has ways, ways of working and doing things, but He has only one Way to be saved. Jesus said to His disciples, you know THE WAY to where I am. And that way is to follow Him. Not ways, only one way.

 

[ChristisGod]

You're not rightly dividing. We believed in/into/unto/on/upon Jesus when we came to FAITH in Him. That is what that word is talking about, as opposed to mere mental belief. You are assuming that we are starting out with nothing more than a mental belief in God rather than a true conversion by the Holy Spirit and faith of Christ, not of our own.

Though it doesn't end there, we have a race to run, the proving of our faith to undergo, testings and trials, a price to pay, etc. We need to be paying the price to be buying the extra oil for our lamps. They that are WISE will shine like the stars forever.

Phl 2:12-16

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Do everything without grumbling or arguing,

so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky

as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.



As you quoted above, Jesus Christ is God's Way for salvation. God has ways, ways of working and doing things, but He has only one Way to be saved. Jesus said to His disciples, you know THE WAY to where I am. And that way is to follow Him. Not ways, only one way.

Exactly with another excellent and Biblical response !

Amen !

 

[ChristisGod]

We reckon by having Faith, trust and believing in Jesus. Our actions with the Holy Spirit's help will change our hearts.

Yes we believe and God changes our hearts.

 

[Lizbeth]

For those who love Him...in Spirit and truth.


Who's we??? This always gets me... The..."ALL believers" The "all who claim Jesus as Lord"...which is so irresponsible knowing that many will be rejected.

If people insist on resisting the truth...then they are simply fitting themselves into the condemnation that is coming on all hypocrites.


Again, you are doing a wrong dividing. Your world is from the perspective of a "bible lady"...not an enlightened disciple. There is only the vaguest line between what the world sees as believers and unbelievers.

Jesus would correct you. Read the parable of the two sons.

Many who claim to believe live as if there is no God. And many who are not believers live as if there is a God.

Who are any of us to judge the heart? You are ONLY judging by the mouth. Lip-service is not impressive to God...just people. And there are many here who profess to be believers and are filthy in their behaviour. if you could discern you would see that...and see your own religious judgmental bent. And see that it is WORSE than the meek who are unable to claim anything good for themselves.

How many carnal accusers here are actually born again? By the Spirit? Very few. Most believe that born again means they have adopted a salvation scheme based on accepting and claiming the sacrifice of Jesus for themselves. They have bought into a scheme sold by slick bible salesmen in order to make a profit in this world.

And the few in the rich and spoiled WEST who are born again often are seduced into the same lies that the others are...why? To not be alone. If the fish are swimming in one direction...they follow along. But only dead fish follow the current.


The religious scheme is the counterfeit to the actual resurrection life that comes with the New Covenant. But only those who have been awakened into an eternal consciousness understand that. The carnal rely of dogmatic religion based on something the outer man can grab hold of and defend with their fangs and claws...as we see right here on these threads.


You say that here...but you believe that your inner man is already positionally...theoretically, and religiously in heaven. So you are spiritualizing something that is actually something you have access to by grace through faith. So then your reliance on a make-believe fable...although that is indeed gleaned from fact....means you will never seek God's face or go to the throne of grace. Your assumptions cancel out any faith you could produce.


This is a misappropriation from the Lord's prayer. God's will is not our will. Our will is supposed to line up with His will. But that only happens through surrender...not spiritualization. Your error is monumental, if you think all who begin a race are able to finish...or finish well.

For you this is a battle of fact vs make-believe. You are fighting a war of the mind with two opposing thoughts...sure...but that are each based on a type of unbelief. The same unbelief as the Israelites in the wilderness...who believed in the existence of God..but not in His power beyond their own understanding to do more than their own expectation.

Will you go to God to receive the full measure of grace? No, you won't. You will fight as hard as any atheist in the world against the will of God in that regard. Why won't you? You rely on human beliefs...not faith...and certainly not the faith OF Christ.

Instead, humble yourself under the mighty hand of God...seek His face and live!

You don't understand what true faith is. Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen. And if we have true faith we are following Jesus and paying the price to buy those things we are hoping for but don't yet see.

 

[ChristisGod]

For those who love Him...in Spirit and truth.


Who's we??? This always gets me... The..."ALL believers" The "all who claim Jesus as Lord"...which is so irresponsible knowing that many will be rejected.

If people insist on resisting the truth...then they are simply fitting themselves into the condemnation that is coming on all hypocrites.


Again, you are doing a wrong dividing. Your world is from the perspective of a "bible lady"...not an enlightened disciple. There is only the vaguest line between what the world sees as believers and unbelievers.

Jesus would correct you. Read the parable of the two sons.

Many who claim to believe live as if there is no God. And many who are not believers live as if there is a God.

Who are any of us to judge the heart? You are ONLY judging by the mouth. Lip-service is not impressive to God...just people. And there are many here who profess to be believers and are filthy in their behaviour. if you could discern you would see that...and see your own religious judgmental bent. And see that it is WORSE than the meek who are unable to claim anything good for themselves.

How many carnal accusers here are actually born again? By the Spirit? Very few. Most believe that born again means they have adopted a salvation scheme based on accepting and claiming the sacrifice of Jesus for themselves. They have bought into a scheme sold by slick bible salesmen in order to make a profit in this world.

And the few in the rich and spoiled WEST who are born again often are seduced into the same lies that the others are...why? To not be alone. If the fish are swimming in one direction...they follow along. But only dead fish follow the current.


The religious scheme is the counterfeit to the actual resurrection life that comes with the New Covenant. But only those who have been awakened into an eternal consciousness understand that. The carnal rely of dogmatic religion based on something the outer man can grab hold of and defend with their fangs and claws...as we see right here on these threads.


You say that here...but you believe that your inner man is already positionally...theoretically, and religiously in heaven. So you are spiritualizing something that is actually something you have access to by grace through faith. So then your reliance on a make-believe fable...although that is indeed gleaned from fact....means you will never seek God's face or go to the throne of grace. Your assumptions cancel out any faith you could produce.


This is a misappropriation from the Lord's prayer. God's will is not our will. Our will is supposed to line up with His will. But that only happens through surrender...not spiritualization. Your error is monumental, if you think all who begin a race are able to finish...or finish well.

For you this is a battle of fact vs make-believe. You are fighting a war of the mind with two opposing thoughts...sure...but that are each based on a type of unbelief. The same unbelief as the Israelites in the wilderness...who believed in the existence of God..but not in His power beyond their own understanding to do more than their own expectation.

Will you go to God to receive the full measure of grace? No, you won't. You will fight as hard as any atheist in the world against the will of God in that regard. Why won't you? You rely on human beliefs...not faith...and certainly not the faith OF Christ.

Instead, humble yourself under the mighty hand of God...seek His face and live!

Can a person be saved and not be born again ?

Define born again for us ?

Are you born again ?

Are you saved ?

What is the evidence of your salvation ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can a person be saved and not be born again ?

Define born again for us ?

Are you born again ?

Are you saved ?

What is the evidence of your salvation ?

considering he thinks a mulsim who gives water to a child is righteous and can be resurrected.

I doubt you will get a real answer

 

[Lizbeth]

Exactly with another excellent and Biblical response !

Amen !

Blessings brother, and glad you enjoyed it....hot off the press of a bible lady this morning, by the grace of God!

Unfortunately Episkopos has a way and that way is to undermine faith rather than building upon it the way the word of God does.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Blessings brother, and glad you enjoyed it....hot off the press of a bible lady this morning, by the grace of God!

Unfortunately Episkopos has a way and that way is to undermine faith rather than building upon it the way the word of God does.

He revealed alot yesterday, that I am sure many did not know about him..

 

[ChristisGod]

Blessings brother, and glad you enjoyed it....hot off the press of a bible lady this morning, by the grace of God!

Unfortunately Episkopos has a way and that way is to undermine faith rather than building upon it the way the word of God does.

Yes the true minister of the Lord builds others up with their gift not tearing others down , encourages them not insults and ridicules them. That is how Gods Spirit operates in the body of Christ. The gifts edify others .

hope this helps !!!

 

[Episkopos]

You're not rightly dividing. We believed in/into/unto/on/upon Jesus when we came to FAITH in Him. That is what that word is talking about, as opposed to mere mental belief. You are assuming that we are starting out with nothing more than a mental belief in God rather than a true conversion by the Holy Spirit and faith of Christ, not of our own.

The same way that Paul is misunderstood about grace....is the way John is misunderstood about eternal life.

Look at John 6 where Jesus says...whoever believes INTO Me HAS eternal life.

The faith OF Christ takes us, translates us into the eternal realm of the kingdom. Or else, it isn't biblical faith yet.

Naturally you won't accept that the Bible is written at a greater depth than you, yourself, personally, can understand. You would rather assume you don't need anything but a "bible lady" ability to understanding the mysteries of God.


Matthew records Jesus saying this about he nature of faith.

He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

Do you understand this? Or will you continue to limit faith to a human belief?

Though it doesn't end there, we have a race to run, the proving of our faith to undergo, testings and trials, a price to pay, etc. We need to be paying the price to be buying the extra oil for our lamps. They that are WISE will shine like the stars forever.

When I say this...you balk...and the dogs bark. Why? It's because that takes real faith to BUY into the realm of the Spirit. It costs everything.

The wilderness walk is an endless circle...always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Turkeys never fly.

Listen to this...you can only be weaned FROM something not TO something.

Phl 2:12-16

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Do everything without grumbling or arguing,

so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky

as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.



As you quoted above, Jesus Christ is God's Way for salvation. God has ways, ways of working and doing things, but He has only one Way to be saved.

Ok bible lady. But you have a very "Protestant" view of what it means to be "saved." A very religious understanding that muddles your interpretation of the bible.

Salvation NOW is to walk in Zion above sin...where the law of Christ overcomes the law of sin and death...so that you don't sin. That's the present salvation from sin.

And then there is INHERITING life upon death.

Jesus said to His disciples, you know THE WAY to where I am. And that way is to follow Him. Not ways, only one way.

The way of holiness is one way. Go then to where He is...and walk in Him. Go to the cross...offer yourself up as a living sacrifice.

Do you have faith that moves God? Or will you continue to stubbornly rely on human beliefs ABOUT the Lord?

 

[Episkopos]

You don't understand what true faith is. Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen. And if we have true faith we are following Jesus and paying the price to buy those things we are hoping for but don't yet see.

That's beliefs and hope. Faith does things NOW. When you read the dead were raised...do you think that means at that time...or sometime in the future at the general resurrection? As in...he just LOOKS dead...he's actually positionally alive????

Your scale is a religious scale. Not based in the truth and the revealed light of God. You are deeply religious, is all. You are missing the depth of the truth. But Jesus is a revolutionary. He came to give us a way (the WAY) into the kingdom NOW. Not to pretend. Can we pretend to cast out devils? Can we pretend to heal people, raise the dead? None of that is based on grace unless the power of God is manifested in the world.

Grace through faith is not...pretend through beliefs.

Until you wake up from your religious slumber...or from spiritual death, as it were... and Christ gives you light...in real time..you will wander aimlessly in the desert.

When you walk in the truth...you are pinching yourself because your human belief is far exceeded...so that you have a hard time believing where you are. Belief is NOT faith. Faith is experienced personally but it is OBJECTIVE. Beliefs are subjective...wanting desperately to believe something is good when in fact it is merely subjective.

Trusting in God is by faith...but at what level? A human faith is good only if it trusts what God CAN do. But the faith of Christ is about what God IS doing.

Abraham had human faith...trusting that God could do anything.

An example of the faith OF Christ is Peter walking on water WITH Jesus.

Do you see the difference?

Can you say...this can't be happening? THAT is how your beliefs react to the faith OF Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

He revealed alot yesterday, that I am sure many did not know about him..

Oh yes indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

He revealed alot yesterday, that I am sure many did not know about him..

Go peek at some of this other posts . This is all about all religoins coming together as one .
He does believe the all inclusive social gospel . HE is a solider of it . They come in and try and plant
ideas about other religoins and all for a common goal . TO break us down to accepting the lie .
STICK to preaching FAITH IN CHRIST . The gospel is under attack and these folks are very crafity indeed .
They say can words like cross , like gospel , but they are deeply affected by the social gospel and its
version of said words and things . I have met some in person as well . They have a zeal unlike anything
but its a deadly zeal not a good one . THEY should have had that zeal for the preaching of FAITH in CHRIST
and His teachings . Beware they only pick and choose certain teachings of HIS too .
Its like a man who claims to be a plumber . He might know how to turn the water on and off
BUT HE SURE DONT KNOW PLUMBING at all . THEY know some things about Christ , but beware
for many do preach another jesus and they bring another gospel too .

 

[ChristisGod]

The same way that Paul is misunderstood about grace....is the way John is misunderstood about eternal life.

Look at John 6 where Jesus says...whoever believes INTO Me HAS eternal life.

The faith OF Christ takes us, translates us into the eternal realm of the kingdom. Or else, it isn't biblical faith yet.

Naturally you won't accept that the Bible is written at a greater depth than you, yourself, personally, can understand. You would ratehr assume you don't need anything but a "bible lady" ability to understanding the mysteries of God.


Matthew records Jesus saying this about he nature of faith.

He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

Do you understand this? Or will you continue to limit faith to a human belief?



When I say this...you balk...and the dogs bark. Why? It's because that takes real faith to BUY into the realm of the Spirit. It costs everything.

The wilderness walk is an endless circle...always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Turkeys never fly.

Listen to this...you can only be weaned FROM something not TO something.



Ok bible lady. But you have a very "Protestant" view of what it means to be "saved." A very religious understanding that muddles your interpretation of the bible.

Salvation NOW is to walk in Zion above sin...where the law of Christ overcomes the law of sin and death...so that you don't sin. That's the present salvation from sin.

And then there is INHERITING life upon death.


The way of holiness is one way. Go then to where He is...and walk in Him. Go to the cross...offer yourself up as a living sacrifice.

Do you have faith that moves God? Or will you continue to stubbornly rely on human beliefs ABOUT the Lord?

More heresy and false teaching . Paul misunderstood nothing about faith. He more than any other writer/ Apostle understood the doctrine of faith . You have no business teaching Gods word . James 3:1- stricter judgment for those who dare call themselves teachers.

 

[Johann]

I still believe you fail too see what the cross signifies

1) "And whosoever doth not bear his cross," (hostis ou bastazei ton saturon heauton) "Whoever does not bear his (own) cross," assume a willingness to suffer severe exposure for the name of Jesus Christ, personally, to be crucified with Him, Gal_2:20; Gal_6:14.

2) "And come after me," (kai erchetai opiso mou) "And does not come after me," follow me in service, as a free, yet voluntary servant, Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36; Luk_9:23; Mat_16:24. Self must be dethroned, mortified, and sufferings endured, 1Th_3:4-5; 2Ti_3:12.

3) "Cannot be my disciple." (ou dunatai einai mou mathetes) "He cannot come to be (exist as) my disciple," one of my kind of choosing to compose my church company, as witnesses for me, Mar_8:34-35; 2Ti_3:12; To break family ties to follow Jesus meant exclusion from membership in the synagogue with its social, religious, and educational privileges, Joh_9:22; Joh_9:34; Joh_16:2.

Three Imperatives in one verse--is this only applicable to the disciples, or to us too?

 

[Laurina]

More heresy and false teaching . Paul misunderstood nothing about faith. He more than any other writer/ Apostle understood the doctrine of faith . You have no business teaching Gods word . James 3:1- stricter judgment for those who dare call themselves teachers.

The same way that Paul is misunderstood about grace....is the way John is misunderstood about eternal life.

It appears that it is you who misunderstands!!!

 

[Episkopos]

Blessings brother, and glad you enjoyed it....hot off the press of a bible lady this morning, by the grace of God!

Unfortunately Episkopos has a way and that way is to undermine faith rather than building upon it the way the word of God does.

Undermining the beliefs that undermine a true and living faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The same way that Paul is misunderstood about grace....is the way John is misunderstood about eternal life.

Look at John 6 where Jesus says...whoever believes INTO Me HAS eternal life.

The faith OF Christ takes us, translates us into the eternal realm of the kingdom. Or else, it isn't biblical faith yet.

Naturally you won't accept that the Bible is written at a greater depth than you, yourself, personally, can understand. You would rather assume you don't need anything but a "bible lady" ability to understanding the mysteries of God.


Matthew records Jesus saying this about he nature of faith.

He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

Do you understand this? Or will you continue to limit faith to a human belief?



When I say this...you balk...and the dogs bark. Why? It's because that takes real faith to BUY into the realm of the Spirit. It costs everything.

The wilderness walk is an endless circle...always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Turkeys never fly.

Listen to this...you can only be weaned FROM something not TO something.



Ok bible lady. But you have a very "Protestant" view of what it means to be "saved." A very religious understanding that muddles your interpretation of the bible.

Salvation NOW is to walk in Zion above sin...where the law of Christ overcomes the law of sin and death...so that you don't sin. That's the present salvation from sin.

And then there is INHERITING life upon death.


The way of holiness is one way. Go then to where He is...and walk in Him. Go to the cross...offer yourself up as a living sacrifice.

Do you have faith that moves God? Or will you continue to stubbornly rely on human beliefs ABOUT the Lord?

this just shows you do not understand grace, faith, or what it means to walk in the spirit.

You can walk in the spirit here on earth. You do not have to go to Zion. Please stop telling people to do things they can not do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's beliefs and hope. Faith does things NOW. When you read the dead were raised...do you think that means at that time...or sometime in the future at the general resurrection? As in...he just LOOKS dead...he's actually positionally alive????

Your scale is a religious scale. Not based in the truth and the revealed light of God. You are deeply religious, is all. You are missing the depth of the truth. But Jesus is a revolutionary. He came to give us a way (the WAY) into the kingdom NOW. Not to pretend. Can we pretend to cast out devils? Can we pretend to heal people, raise the dead? None of that is based on grace unless the power of God is manifested in the world.

Grace through faith is not...pretend through beliefs.

Until you wake up from your religious slumber...or from spiritual death, as it were... and Christ gives you light...in real time..you will wander aimlessly in the desert.

When you walk in the truth...you are pinching yourself because your human belief is far exceeded...so that you have a hard time believing where you are. Belief is NOT faith. Faith is experienced personally but it is OBJECTIVE. Beliefs are subjective...wanting desperately to believe something is good when in fact it is merely subjective.

Trusting in God is by faith...but at what level? A human faith is good only if it trusts what God CAN do. But the faith of Christ is about what God IS doing.

Abraham had human faith...trusting that God could do anything.

An example of the faith OF Christ is Peter walking on water WITH Jesus.

Do you see the difference?

Can you say...this can't be happening? THAT is how your beliefs react to the faith OF Christ.

and this shows you have no understanding of What the young lady your talking to believes.

She believes faith has power now. To not only save us, but to change us. Where we can walk in the spirit here and now today.. Not waiting for some experience that may or may not happen

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Go peek at some of this other posts . This is all about all religoins coming together as one .
He does believe the all inclusive social gospel . HE is a solider of it . They come in and try and plant
ideas about other religoins and all for a common goal . TO break us down to accepting the lie .
STICK to preaching FAITH IN CHRIST . The gospel is under attack and these folks are very crafity indeed .
They say can words like cross , like gospel , but they are deeply affected by the social gospel and its
version of said words and things . I have met some in person as well . They have a zeal unlike anything
but its a deadly zeal not a good one . THEY should have had that zeal for the preaching of FAITH in CHRIST
and His teachings . Beware they only pick and choose certain teachings of HIS too .
Its like a man who claims to be a plumber . He might know how to turn the water on and off
BUT HE SURE DONT KNOW PLUMBING at all . THEY know some things about Christ , but beware
for many do preach another jesus and they bring another gospel too .

He already proved he is a universalist.. that anyone can be saved no matter what religion