How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

You just summed up where I was at after saying a little prayer. I told people all the time I had faith. I went to churches, trying to find a home. I kept getting re -save again and again. I even watched the left behind series just knowing one day… having no doubt I would be among those raptured out; because like I told everyone “I have faith in God”.

did you ever become like the tax collector. and in true saving faith repent and confess that you were hopeless without him. And that you wanted his death to account for you..Not just words. But true faith.

A twist. God never said they were saved. That was the difference between my faith and others. Repeating the little prayer….because dang I keep being turned backwards.

We are saved by faith. If you don;t have faith, Your not saved.


its no twist at all. Paul said we are saved by grace through faith. and those saved will do works.

James said if one claimes to have faith. but does not have the works paul said they would have, they did not have faith it is dead.

Just because someone claims to have faith means they ever did. The people in james did not..

There were no works.
Just my mumbling about something that reassured me that I was one of the safe. And you are trying to convince me there is not such thing as dead faith still in the grave.

Thats what James said, we either trust James or we do not. Don't believe me, Believe James..

James 2: 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

this is the opening statement,

If someone CLAIMS to have faith. but has no works. Can THAT faith save them?

James answer is no. Because they never really had faith. all the had was lip service. they were hearers not doers. The continued to act like the world.

If they were saved, They would have Gods power. they would be saved, and they would have experienced change.. Not that this change proves they are saved. Many people change their life. But if a person has mere belief, and not faith. they are not saved, PROVED by the fact there is no works.

which is why we should examin ourselves. which is james point, If I claim to have faith. But I see no chanmge in my life. I need to re-examin myself.. was my faith real. or was it dead..

 

[Episkopos]

did you ever become like the tax collector. and in true saving faith repent and confess that you were hopeless without him. And that you wanted his death to account for you..Not just words. But true faith.

That's not true faith. That's you wanting to save your life. Maybe hope??? But definitely not faith. That is still in the realm of belief...UNLESS...God fills you with His Spirit.

We are saved by faith. If you don;t have faith, Your not saved.

This is self-affirming. It's better to say...I must have had faith because I was taken up into the higher walk.

its no twist at all. Paul said we are saved by grace through faith. and those saved will do works.

Grace is power that comes upon a person...to walk as Jesus walked. It takes real faith for that to happen.

James said if one claimes to have faith. but does not have the works paul said they would have, they did not have faith it is dead.

Miraculous works...or just what other people do in poorer countries?

Just because someone claims to have faith means they ever did. The people in james did not..

Exactly my point.

Thats what James said, we either trust James or we do not. Don't believe me, Believe James..

James 2: 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

this is the opening statement,

If someone CLAIMS to have faith. but has no works. Can THAT faith save them?

Now you are saying the opposite of what you said before...that we are saved by faith apart from works.

James answer is no. Because they never really had faith. all the had was lip service. they were hearers not doers. The continued to act like the world.

Did the Pharisees continue to act like the world? ...or did they get their lives straight enough to claim to be justified? The pharisees had a habit of comparing themselves to others...or what they did before. None of that is worth claiming to be justified over.

If they were saved, They would have Gods power. they would be saved, and they would have experienced change.. Not that this change proves they are saved. Many people change their life. But if a person has mere belief, and not faith. they are not saved, PROVED by the fact there is no works.

Again, what kind of works? Are these works that are impossible for people to do in their own power?

which is why we should examin ourselves. which is james point, If I claim to have faith. But I see no chanmge in my life. I need to re-examin myself.. was my faith real. or was it dead..

Many people change their ways....they stop the destructive behaviour...they start to care for others...beginning with their own families. All of that is on the level of righteousness...and NOT exclusive to Christianity. Christianity is about what is IMPOSSIBLE to do in human strength. If others are doing it, then it isn't the faith OF Christ.

And James was concerned about people DOING righteousness...which many weren't (and still aren't) while claiming to be justified.

 

[Behold]

And James was concerned about people DOING righteousness...which many weren't (and still aren't) while claiming to be justified.

Reader,

It's God who "justifies the ungodly" "while we are yet sinners".

This happens the moment God gives the new birth to a believer.

And they brought nothing to God but sin., and God took them, washed them with the Cross of Christ, and they became "In Christ", "one with God", "made Righteous".

So, to teach that a person, who God already accepted, when they had no righteousness, .....is now to try to be righteous (to prove it) based on silly works...., when God accepted them already as a SINNER, based on the Cross........denies The Grace of God.

Salvation : Is a "Gift'.

Reader.....See JESUS on the Cross for the update on why God accepts a person and keeps them.

 

[Waiting on him]

James 1:1 KJV
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
It’s pretty obvious what the works in this epistle were all about.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's not true faith. That's you wanting to save your life. Maybe hope??? But definitely not faith. That is still in the realm of belief...UNLESS...God fills you with His Spirit.

so jesus was wrong when he said he went home justified.

This is self-affirming. It's better to say...I must have had faith because I was taken up into the higher walk.

no. Because then your depending on self. And looking at self. And not God. Thats not faith at all

Grace is power that comes upon a person...to walk as Jesus walked. It takes real faith for that to happen.

Grace is unmerited favor. We are saved by grace through faith.

If you will not believe in salvation. Then how can you believe in faith

Miraculous works...or just what other people do in poorer countries?

He said works, He did not say what kind of works. He said works.

He said they had non, erro zip nada.

Not all works are miraculous..

Exactly my point.

I have never said otherwise. Yet you accuse me of it all the time.

Now you are saying the opposite of what you said before...that we are saved by faith apart from works.

Thats trute, We are saved by GRACE (unmerited or unearned favor) Through Faith. NOT OF WORKS. Lest anyone should boast.

Did the Pharisees continue to act like the world? ...

they never stopped acting like the world. They loved their sin, Thats why they crucified christ.

or did they get their lives straight enough to claim to be justified?

Who said they were justified? They like you. Pumped on their chest thanking God they were not like the sinner.

He was never justified. Unless he repented (Like Saul, who became Paul)

The pharisees had a habit of comparing themselves to others...or what they did before. None of that is worth claiming to be justified over.

Again, who said they were justified? God did not. Nor have I

Again, what kind of works? Are these works that are impossible for people to do in their own power?

If you were not so self absorbed wiht works. You would not ask this question.

A work produced fruit. many types of works produce fruit.

What they will never do is produce salvation.

Many people change their ways....they stop the destructive behaviour...they start to care for others...beginning with their own families. All of that is on the level of righteousness...and NOT exclusive to Christianity. Christianity is about what is IMPOSSIBLE to do in human strength. If others are doing it, then it isn't the faith OF Christ.

Christianity is about being born again from above.

Non christianity produced filthy rags as works. They may be good deeds. But they are as filthy rags because they are useless

And James was concerned about people DOING righteousness...which many weren't (and still aren't) while claiming to be justified.

No. James was concerning about people who claimed to have faith but had no fruit of righteousness..

It was about those who CLAIMED to have faith but had ZERO ZIP NADA works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James 1:1 KJV
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
It’s pretty obvious what the works in this epistle were all about.

So you think a person can be saved, yet never produce one work of righteousness after they have been born again?

 

[Waiting on him]

James was the overseer of the church in Jerusalem, the very church Paul was receiving offerings from other churches too feed.

The church in Jerusalem was starving, because they had fully abandoned Judaism. This would mean they weren’t even welcomed in the market. They were ostracized from the entire community. As you can imagine this would require great faith in God.

He is appealing to his fellow countrymen to stay the course, in spite off the adversity they were facing

Now read the entire chapter again with this in mind, and without any confirmation biased.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James was the overseer of the church in Jerusalem, the very church Paul was receiving offerings from other churches too feed.

The church in Jerusalem was starving, because they had fully abandoned Judaism. This would mean they weren’t even welcomed in the market. They were ostracized from the entire community. As you can imagine this would require great faith in God.

He is appealing to his fellow countrymen to stay the course, in spite off the adversity they were facing

Now read the entire chapter again with this in mind, and without any confirmation biased.

Once again, are you saying a person can be saved, be born of the spirit. But have no works. Period?

Can you really have faith in someone yet NEVER do anything they ask?

 

[Waiting on him]

So you think a person can be saved, yet never produce one work of righteousness after they have been born again?

There is nothing for you too be saved from.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is nothing for you to be saved from.

do what? I hope you are not serious, Why did God come to earth and die for us??

 

[Waiting on him]

Once again, are you saying a person can be saved, be born of the spirit. But have no works. Period?

Can you really have faith in someone yet NEVER do anything they ask?

You’ve become so accustomed to everyone on here playing along with your fantasies that you cannot conceive of anything I say.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is nothing for you too be saved from.

Yet James asked the question. Can this faith save them.

I guess James was confused.. there was nothing they needed saved from…

 

[Waiting on him]

do what? I hope you are not serious, Why did God come to earth and die for us??

James isn’t written too you, you’ve never abandoned Judaism, you can’t even abandon your current religion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’ve become so accustomed to everyone on here playing along with your fantasies that you cannot conceive of anything I say.

I just asked you a simple question. Your not even trying to give an answer..If course. This just hurts your case../

I must ask though. Why can‘t you be like your wife? She will at least answer questions. And does not berate people. You should take a page from her and at least try to show some humility

 

[Waiting on him]

Yet James asked the question. Can this faith save them.

I guess James was confused.. there was nothing they needed saved from…

James wasn’t confused he actually lived it and abandoned that horrible religion that does nothing but boat lies against the true God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James isn’t written to you, you’ve never abandoned Judaism, you can’t even abandon your current religion.

James 2 is written to everyone who claims to have faith, but has no works.. there are many people in this boat. Not just in Israel/

It’s the same peole Jude spoke of. They turn the grace of God to licentiousness.. Same issue..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James wasn’t confused he actually lived it and abandoned that horrible religion that does nothing but boat lies against the true God

Your right he was not confused.

But the people he spoke to were. They took grace as simple grace. And did not understand it. Like many jews did. And many do today..

 

[Waiting on him]

I just asked you a simple question. Your not even trying to give an answer..If course. This just hurts your case../

I must ask though. Why can‘t you be like your wife? She will at least answer questions. And does not berate people. You should take a page from her and at least try to show some humility

You can’t imagine how humiliating it was when presented with the truth.

I’m hoping one day you’ll realize some humiliation, maybe then you’ll realize what humility truly is.

 

[Waiting on him]

James 2 is written to everyone who claims to have faith, but has no works.. there are many people in this boat. Not just in Israel/

It’s the same peole Jude spoke of. They turn the grace of God to licentiousness.. Same issue..

James 1:1 KJV
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can’t imagine how humiliating it was when presented with the truth.

I’m hoping one day you’ll realize some humiliation, maybe then you’ll realize what humility truly is.

Actually yes I have

But I can say the same to you. Once again you take after EPI. Where if we do not agree with you. We are in a fantasy world. Have no means of truth. We should just drop like flys and bow down to everything you say.

You can;t even answer if people can be saved yet not have one work?

Paul said to titus it was not by works of righteousness (the same works James spoke of) which we have done, but by his mercy, he saved us by the washing and renewal of the HS

James and paul did not contradict each other. The spoke to different groups.. If you d n0t get the context. You will never understand what they say.

Your excuse making t not answer questions is just one of many reasons why we should not believe you. When you have the truth, you do nt have to make excuse after excuse to not answer a questions. You answer it openly and honestly. Because the truth stands