How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

I believe Gods creation began with Jesus in the first century.

So all the O.T. Is nothing but fables and fairy tales

 

[amigo de christo]

We have a man who have left Christianity and embraced Orthodox Judaism-on this forum.

What is orthodox judaism . I mean TORAH ITSELF POINTS TO CHRIST JESUS , so if one leaves chrisanity
then how on earth can they claim anything of Torah . For TORAH points to CHRIST JESUS , the GLORIOUS RISEN SAVOIR .
The only name whereby one may be saved . is orthodox judaism including the talmud and other strange doctrines .
IF SO its FALSE . As i am SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

So all the O.T. Is nothing but fables and fairy tales

Folks will believe and entertain anything , so long as it feeds their own desires and never preaches against
those desires of the flesh they so love and so embrace . I just speak it and type it like IT IS my friend .

 

[Johann]

What is orthodox judaism . I mean TORAH ITSELF POINTS TO CHRIST JESUS , so if one leaves chrisanity
then how on earth can they claim anything of Torah . For TORAH points to CHRIST JESUS , the GLORIOUS RISEN SAVOIR .
The only name whereby one may be saved . is orthodox judaism including the talmud and other strange doctrines .
IF SO its FALSE . As i am SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW my friend .

They--Torah and the 2 Talmud's go glove in hand.

 

[amigo de christo]

I’m rather surprised Amigo! Pleasantly surprised.

I support the WHOLE of DOCTRINE . not just parts . Its why both sides hate this man to the core . cause i expose them both .
we cant pick and choose what doctrine to embrace and what doctrine to ignore .
We cant sit under men who seem ever so wise and yet twist scrips by cliaming they know greek .
BOTH SIDES DO IT and i SIT UNDER NONE OF THEM . I SIT UNDER CHRIST and i gather with those Who love
and embrace HIM . Not this other social gosple inclusive lie , not this other prosperity gospel lie .
I refuse , with ZERO apologies , to sit under the false . FOLKS OPEN BIBLES . STOP listening to men
who try and tell us we cant learn it for ourselves . Stop heeding men who try and say GOD was powerless
and couldnt produce a good english bible . Stop sitting under folks who are progressives , inclusivnist
nar , prosperity , rcc , mormon , jw , Sa , or any other . LEARN that bible . Embrace its truth .
STOP letting men twist stuff to give us a false peace in our sin and unbelief . IT ENDS NOW , IT ENDS TODAY .
There is a new sheriff of doctrine in town , and that one wont be tolerating false doctrine or those who teach it .
We must contend for the one true orginal life saving , life changing FAITH in CHRIST .
STOP embracing paganism new age progressive lies . And do not embrace the left or the right .
ITS all tanking now . Its TANKED and its tanking worse . The most hated creature
is the true lamb who wont budge a millmeter from the doctrine in that bible . BOTH sides hate it . they hate it
and soon their hatred will unite them in the delusion of the lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

They--Torah and the 2 Talmud's go glove in hand.

The kaballa does not go hand in hand . The jews have done what the RCC and many others have done .
They all agree , or say to agree to torah , and yet they have their own added books which contradict SAID TORAH .
This kabala stuff gotta go .

 

[amigo de christo]

They--Torah and the 2 Talmud's go glove in hand.

any book that contradicts a word of Christ and the doctrine of the apostels , or torah . GOTTA GO .
I dont care if it was just a bit of leaven , it has to GO .
I am watching the decieved religoins as well as christendom fall for a massive lie .
This is a delusion of the likes that i have watched grow massive in days of late .
I shun its false love to hell . ANY LOVE that omits the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS , is a love
i shun to hades . IT is no love . IT cometh OF The dragon who desires death for all and has convinced
them to worship him through this false love . He , the dragon , DOES NOT LOVE his children nor any other .
He decieves them for one reason . SO THEY WILL be damned to perditon as HE is .
But he knows how to allure . Satan aint some rookie who knows not how to decieve . HE IS THE MASTER OF ALL DECEPTOIN
the FATHER OF ALL LIES . THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM . and though he can speak truths
HEED him not , always he uses the truths to lead one in THE WRONG DIRECTION . And his children
and his prophets , ,his leaders , KNOW HOW to do so . Though they know not they follow satan .
For satan has convinced them HE IS GOD and HERE IS HIS LOVE . Yet those who love a lie embrace a lie .
The lambs love TRUTH and the voice of the stranger and his strangers they will not heed .

 

[amigo de christo]

I shun progressive doctrine to hell
Take note i didnt say the people , i said the doctrine .
We better learn those bibles well is all i can say . For satan has many
who do his work . And i dont mean just the false religons like budda , hindu , muslim and etc
I mean Satan himself has men and women working within christendom itself . And MANY he has within it .

 

[amigo de christo]

For the TIME HAS COME . and many follow their pernicious ways . There are many false teachers among christendom .
Just as there were false prophets amongst the people .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amigo de christo]

It aint a new pattern at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Universalism/all-inclusivism is not in Scriptures.

it is the religoin of the dragon to omit the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
And i refuse to embrace a lie . ITS JESUS the CHRIST OF GOD that the lambs will embrace , HIS EVERY WORD .

 

[Waiting on him]

So all the O.T. Is nothing but fables and fairy tales

You know that’s not what I’ve alleged.

 

[ChristisGod]

You know that’s not what I’ve alleged.

You said creation didn’t begin until Jesus in the NT. If that’s not what you meant could you clarify it? Thanks

 

[Waiting on him]

You said creation didn’t begin until Jesus in the NT. If that’s not what you meant could you clarify it? Thanks

Colossians 1:18 KJV
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
I believe this alone speaks of Gods creation. Jesus had too be born first.

 

[Waiting on him]

Colossians 1:18 KJV
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
I believe this alone speaks of Gods creation. Jesus had to be born first.

This as stated above is the beginning

 

[ChristisGod]

Colossians 1:18 KJV
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
I believe this alone speaks of Gods creation. Jesus had too be born first.

NT:4416

prototokos (‎prwto/toko$‎, NT:4416), "firstborn" (from protos, "first," and tikto, "to beget"), is used of Christ as born of the Virgin Mary, Luke 2:7; further, in His relationship to the Father, expressing His priority to, and preeminence over, creation, not in the sense of being the "first" to be born. It is used occasionally of superiority of position in the OT, see Ex 4:22; Deut 21:16,17, the prohibition being against the evil of assigning the privileged position of the "firstborn" to one born subsequently to the "first" child.

The five passages in the NT relating to Christ may be set forth chronologically thus: (a) Col 1:15, where His eternal relationship with the Father is in view, and the clause means both that He was the "Firstborn" before all creation and that He Himself produced creation (the genitive case being objective, as v. 16 makes clear); (b) Col 1:18 and Rev 1:5, in reference to His resurrection; (c) Rom 8:29, His position in relationship to the church; (d) Heb 1:6, RV, His second advent (the RV "when He again bringeth in," puts "again" in the right place, the contrast to His first advent, at His birth, being implied); cf. Ps 89:27. The word is used in the plural, in Heb 11:28, of the firstborn sons in the families of the Egyptians, and in 12:23, of the members of the Church.

Note: With (a) cf. John 1:30, "He was before me," lit., "He was first (protos) of me," i. e., "in regard to me," expressing all that is involved in His preexistence and priority.

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

NT:4416
The figurative meaning of ‎prwto/toko$ ‎in the messianic title ‎prwto/toko$ pa/sh$ kti/sew$ ‎'firstborn of all creation' (Col 1:15 may be interpreted as 'existing before all creation' (see 13.79) or 'existing superior to all creation' (see 87.47).
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

13.79 NT:4416† ‎prwto/toko$‎b, ‎on‎: pertaining to existing prior to something else - 'existing first, existing before.' ‎prwto/toko$ pa/sh$ kti/sew$ ‎'existing before all creation' or 'existing before anything was created' Col 1:15. It is possible to understand ‎prwto/toko$ ‎in Col 1:15 as 'superior in status' (see 87.47). See also discussion at 10.43.

(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

87.47 NT:4416† ‎prwto/toko$‎c, ‎on‎: pertaining to existing superior to all else of the same or related class - 'superior to, above all.' ‎prwto/toko$ pa/sh$ kti/sew$ ‎'existing superior to all creation' Col 1:15. For another interpretation of ‎prwto/toko$ ‎in Col 1:15, see 13.79;

(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

Colossians 1:15
The expression does not mean that he was "begotten before all creatures," as it is often explained, but refers to the simple fact that he sustains the highest rank over the creation. He is the Son of God. He is the heir of all things. All other creatures are also the "offspring of God;" but he is exalted as the Son of God above all.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The kaballa does not go hand in hand . The jews have done what the RCC and many others have done .
They all agree , or say to agree to torah , and yet they have their own added books which contradict SAID TORAH .
This kabala stuff gotta go .

With regard to the Catholic Church (not "RCC") - what would that be?

 

[Waiting on him]

With regard to the Catholic Church (not "RCC") - what would that be?

I don’t think he believes in the universal church, but I could be wrong.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don’t think he believes in the universal church, but I could be wrong.

I was just asking him about which "contradictions" he is talking about.

He wrote:
"The jews have done what the RCC and many others have done .
They all agree , or say to agree to torah , and yet they have their own added books which contradict SAID TORAH ."