How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Jim B]

Muslims worshop Allah, which is the "moon God" in paganistic teachings.

It is not the judeo-christian God.

Muslims do not worship (not "worshop") Allah; they worship God. It's sad that you don't understand that. He is the same "person" as the Judeo-Christian God.

Your comment comparing Allah to the "moon God" in paganistic teachings is so wrong it's laughable.

 

[Jim B]

lol.. The jewish God is not the christian God either.

the jews and Muslims believe in a false God who they have made up.

they reject God and they reject Jesus..

The Jewish God and the Christian God are one and the same. Where are you getting your ideas from?

All the authors of the Bible -- Old and New Testament -- (with one exception (Luke) -- were all Jews. The entire Old Testament (which was the "Bible" that Jesus, Paul, all the disciples, apostles, and early believers used) refer to God the Father, a.k.a. Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, and other "names".

When Jesus (the Jew) said "I and the Father are one", He was referring to the OT God. => Every time God is referred to in the 66 books of the Bible, it means the Father, the one true God <=

Claiming that Muslims and Jews reject God is beyond absurd!!!

 

[Waiting on him]

If he did not, we are under law. and we have no hope..

Seems odd to me. Are you a Jew, and was once practiced the law given by Moses?

 

[Jim B]

That's right. The Bible teaches that Jesus and God forgive sins. Penalty is waved not served.

The penalty was paid for, i.e., served! Otherwise, why was Jesus crucified?

 

[Waiting on him]

The penalty was paid for, i.e., served! Otherwise, why was Jesus crucified?

God separated him from his flesh.

 

[Jim B]

Muslims will not go to heaven, because they reject Christ.

If they worshiped the one true God. They would recieve christ and be saved. Which means, they would not be Muslim

Why are you changing the subject? (Actually I know why: because you are wrong about the God Muslims worship.)

Muslims and Jews worship God the Father. Period.

 

[Jim B]

God separated him from his flesh.

Wrong. Jesus appeared in the flesh to the disciples after He was resurrected, and He is seated at the right hand of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

Wrong. Jesus appeared in the flesh to the disciples after He was resurrected, and He is seated at the right hand of God.

How is it they no longer knew him or any other after the flesh?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

One day, in answer to a concern of mine, the Lord spoke to me and gave me this, "afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city." This is from a passage concerning Israel, and Jerusalem, and that God used this passage to speak a word of encouragment to me doesn't change the meaning of the passage itself, and it's application to Israel.

Take it for whatever it is worth. I believe the Lord spoke this to you “afterward thou shall be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.”

This was your example of Him speaking something to you personally that is for you only and is not to be mixed with “the teaching” for it changes the teaching. It doesn’t change the teaching (Imo) but clarifies it. The fear is it changes it. To me it is an example of the inner man speaking but shut down and put under a gag order by the outer man.

Isaiah 1:24-26 KJV
24) Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
25) And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
26) And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.

Who is Israel?
Where is Jerusalem?
“The city of righteousness, the faithful city”?
How can it speak to you personally but then because it was spoken to you…it then can’t be mixed or shared because it changes the teaching. What teaching? Whose?

This is a prophecy of the restoration of Israel, and it remains that. But God used it speak a personal word to me. Were I to be teaching on this passage, I would speak about the restoration of Israel.

The Spirit of Prophecy “restoration of Israel” is the testimony of a Jesus Christ.

 

[Jim B]

How is it they no longer knew him or any other after the flesh?

They didn't know Him?

John 20:15-16, "He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?” Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).

John 20:19-20, "On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord."

John 20:26-28, "A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 21:5-7, "He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?” “No,” they answered. He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish. Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water."

 

[Waiting on him]

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[ChristisGod]

The Jewish God and the Christian God are one and the same. Where are you getting your ideas from?

All the authors of the Bible -- Old and New Testament -- (with one exception (Luke) -- were all Jews. The entire Old Testament (which was the "Bible" that Jesus, Paul, all the disciples, apostles, and early believers used) refer to God the Father, a.k.a. Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, and other "names".

When Jesus (the Jew) said "I and the Father are one", He was referring to the OT God. => Every time God is referred to in the 66 books of the Bible, it means the Father, the one true God <=

Claiming that Muslims and Jews reject God is beyond absurd!!!

That’s like saying the Jewish Jesus is the same as the Christian’s Jesus .

Nice try but you failed . They reject the New Testament and it’s the same God in the New as the Old. It’s the same Messiah in the New that’s in the Old.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you know Jesus after the flesh?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Would anyone care to take a guess as too what the Arc represented?

An arc is part of a circle.

 

[Waiting on him]

An arc is part of a circle.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[marks]

How can it speak to you personally but then because it was spoken to you…it then can’t be mixed or shared because it changes the teaching. What teaching? Whose?

I don't intermingle personal words to me from God with the meanings of passages of Scripture. Simply stated.

Much love!

 

[Stumpmaster]

Would anyone care to take a guess ( ) what the (ARK OF THE COVENANT)

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represented? [Edited for spelling and grammar]

No need to guess. Plenty of information to be found.

The Ark of the Covenant contained several items that were symbolic of faith and God’s presence. The tables of the Mosaic law represented God's covenant with his people and his expectations for their behavior. The pot of manna symbolized God's provision for his people during their time in the wilderness. The rod of Aaron represented God's choice of Aaron and his descendants as priests ¹.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 22/04/2023(1) https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-was-the-ark-of-the-covenant-its-meaning.... What Was the Ark of the Covenant? Its Meaning and Significance Accessed 22/04/2023.

 

[marks]

To me it is an example of the inner man speaking but shut down and put under a gag order by the outer man.

To me it's holding sacred the Word of God, and understanding the difference in a personal word, and the doctrines of Scripture.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I don't intermingle personal words to me from God with the meanings of passages of Scripture. Simply stated.

Much love!

I get it. Thanks for replying back.

 

[Jim B]

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You would be better off using a translation in modern English. That way you won't misinterpret Scripture.

Here are those same verses from the NIV: "So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"

And from the NRSVue, "From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once knew Christ from a human point of view, we no longer know him in that way. So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; look, new things have come into being!"

"Flesh" -- Greek "sárx" -- doesn't mean our body, but our unsaved state.