Homosexuality: Is it the way a person is born?

[KingJ]

That stand for all men,

1. go and sin no more, its not just a homosexual thing. It like christians have said, all have sin is worthy of death and the homsexual. Its all one thing not seperate. their sin is no worse than any other.

2. An please notice, Jesus who had every right to stone the man, or women as in the bible story chose not to, neither did He call the person a "sinner", which He had every right to, he chose love.

3. Now again can you tell me which ones are the way they are because they choose to be and which are the way they are because of corruption??

4. Only God knows.

1. Yes we all have sin and deserve death. But not hell. Adam and Eve entered death when they left the garden, not hell.

2. Please notice they...stopped sinning. What do you think their fate would be if they kept sinning?

3. Statements like this always amaze me. I am amazed at how someone who has a working brain can just turn it off and make such a dumb statement. A working brain can deduce the difference in severity between buying a kid too much candy vs raping the kid. Now likewise someone who acknowledges and respects a Creator '''should'' be able to grasp the severity of homosexuality. We judge and condemn ourselves. I know that you know that you are taking your brain and placing it in the trash.

4. Actually, we do too. 1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[StanJ]

The point being made in scripture is that when given the opportunity all men have fallen into sin. Babies do not go to hell. Is that what you are implying?

No, I always say what I mean to imply. The issue is being born homosexual, not about babies dying. Clearly if babies can't choose to sin, they can't choose to be homosexual....that comes further down their timeline.

 

[JimmyAk]

No human is born with homosexuality traits. The same way watching pornographic movies can foster sexual desires, the same way things which trigger gay tendencies actualize this act in a man or a woman. The enemy has come to kill, steal and destroy, he is the author of homosexuality. When God created human, He made them, male and female, also, God did not create Adam and Steve, He created Adam and Eve.

Lastly, God created us to be fruitful and multiply, and only two people of opposite sex can fulfill this.

 

[StanJ]

No human is born with homosexuality traits. The same way watching pornographic movies can foster sexual desires, the same way things which trigger gay tendencies actualize this act in a man or a woman. The enemy has come to kill, steal and destroy, he is the author of homosexuality. When God created human, He made them, male and female, also, God did not create Adam and Steve, He created Adam and Eve.

Lastly, God created us to be fruitful and multiply, and only two people of opposite sex can fulfill this.

Simple, but sadly not realized by many who want to vilify gays.

 

[Barrd]

Simple, but sadly not realized by many who want to vilify gays.

There is a huge difference between wanting to "villify gays"...
And decrying the sin of homosexuality.

Tell me, would you "villify child molesters"? Why or why not?

 

[StanJ]

There is a huge difference between wanting to "villify gays"...
And decrying the sin of homosexuality.
Tell me, would you "villify child molesters"? Why or why not?

You are absolutely right, but sadly many do not see the difference and end up vilifying the sinner instead of simply addressing the sin.
I confess/agree with God, as to what sin is. I really do try to stay away from actually condemning anyone, and in fact can't. Only God can and will.

 

[Born_Again]

No human is born with homosexuality traits. The same way watching pornographic movies can foster sexual desires, the same way things which trigger gay tendencies actualize this act in a man or a woman. The enemy has come to kill, steal and destroy, he is the author of homosexuality. When God created human, He made them, male and female, also, God did not create Adam and Steve, He created Adam and Eve.

Lastly, God created us to be fruitful and multiply, and only two people of opposite sex can fulfill this.

This has to be one of the best answers I have seen on here! Good post, Jimmy! :)

 

[KingJ]

I wish this thread would end with that post by Jimmy and remain a sticky. Then have the subject banned from discussion.

We can just count the days to the next person coming with their opinion that people can be born gay and not bother reading any of the prior posts.

 

[mjrhealth]

No human is born with homosexuality traits.

I guess you missed this bit

"CORRUPTION", it came about with teh fall of man.

Can a person choose to be born with 2 heads, or missing arms or cojoined or hormone imbalance or both male and female genitals, and yet you judge them all the same.

We can just count the days to the next person coming with their opinion that people can be born gay and not bother reading any of the prior posts.

Yet Christ said, He judges no man, and here christians go about doing just that. Yes KinJ must be nivce to be prefect in an imperfect world.

 

[Born_Again]

If God knew you before you were born, how could God knowingly create a person that violates His own rules of creation? God did not send someone to Earth to be the best gay person they can be. If you believe in God then its this simple, its a choice.

 

[StanJ]

If God knew you before you were born, how could God knowingly create a person that violates His own rules of creation? God did not send someone to Earth to be the best gay person they can be. If you believe in God then its this simple, its a choice.

What many don't get is that God's foreknowledge, does NOT negate pro-creation.

 

[tommie]

mjrhealth. When you say things like...it must be nice to be perfect in an imperfect world, that is not nice and very judgmental in my opinion! You are doing just what you say nobody should do!

 

[KingJ]

Can a person choose to be born with 2 heads, or missing arms or cojoined or hormone imbalance or both male and female genitals, and yet you judge them all the same.

Yet Christ said, He judges no man, and here christians go about doing just that. Yes KinJ must be nivce to be prefect in an imperfect world.

I don't think a single one of us consider ourselves perfect. We all have some flaws. But Christianity 101 is saying ''Your will be done in my life Lord''....and not my will.

Our flesh wants to cheat in marriage. But Jesus says, no. So we get our flesh inline with God's will. Hormonal imbalances are not an excuse for ignoring the body God gave us. Only hermaphrodites can pass a session of harsh, fear and trembling self judgment on their knees before God.

That is what its all about. Passing a session of harsh, fear and trembling self judgement before God 1 Cor 11:31, Phil 2:12. That is the beginning and the end of the debate. The Holy Spirit and us help people to take this seriously. The devil does the opposite.

With many clear warnings on God's hatred for homosexual behaviour in the bible, not sure how any homosexaul can truthfully pass such a session.

 

[StanJ]

With many clear warnings on God's hatred for homosexual behaviour in the bible, not sure how any homosexaul can truthfully pass such a session.

As God is impassible, He doesn't hate. That is our word to convey His perfect feeling, which more accurately is rendered as "repugnant"
But as God's feels that way about all sin, and NOT the sinners, John 3:16, we need to understand the fine line and appropriate the significance.

 

[Barrd]

As God is impassible, He doesn't hate. That is our word to convey His perfect feeling, which more accurately is rendered as "repugnant"
But as God's feels that way about all sin, and NOT the sinners, John 3:16, we need to understand the fine line and appropriate the significance.

Actually, I believe with all my heart that God loves all sinners, and stands ready to forgive each and every one, if only they will come to Him and repent.
Btw, "repent" means to "turn away from" that sin.
And we all must do it, with God's help.

 

[StanJ]

Actually, I believe with all my heart that God loves all sinners, and stands ready to forgive each and every one, if only they will come to Him and repent.
Btw, "repent" means to "turn away from" that sin.
And we all must do it, with God's help.

I agree, but as God IS love, and we understand very little of Him despite all the scriptures, we also understand very little of love and how HE truly depicts it. Looking at God through the filter of our human eyes and understanding does not lessen God, only confirms how little we understand, so when people try to depict God in a solely human fashion, with limited human reasoning, they really have NO idea of who God is.
IMO, when it comes to trying to pigeon hole God, the old Mark Twain adage holds very true..."It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

 

[KingJ]

As God is impassible, He doesn't hate. That is our word to convey His perfect feeling, which more accurately is rendered as "repugnant"
But as God's feels that way about all sin, and NOT the sinners, John 3:16, we need to understand the fine line and appropriate the significance.

Interesting. I can agree with that.

I agree fully that He does not hate anyone. There is evidence of Jesus treating the devil, demons and wicked people with respect in scripture. So it should be clear that God loves all the evil. They hate Him. He *detests evil.

 

[KingJ]

Actually, I believe with all my heart that God loves all sinners, and stands ready to forgive each and every one, if only they will come to Him and repent.
Btw, "repent" means to "turn away from" that sin.
And we all must do it, with God's help.

I agree 100%. I don't believe God ever stops loving any of His creation.

Just bear with me now...I have a point to make ;). With respect to those that go to hell. There are five possible scenarios that I can think of that can apply to us being able to continue 'living in peace' whilst in heaven.

1. God removes all knowledge of them from our minds. Brainwashing.
2. We know that God is treating them as well is possible. Something better or even on par with the Geneva convention.
3. After a while we just forget about them. They continue in their suffering and we just don't care any longer.
4. God annihilates them all after a while of suffering and in time we forget they ever existed.
5. We live with our memories of them, knowing they are suffering. It becomes like a scar of our past that we carry with us for eternity as a reminder. Much like Jesus keeps His. I am mostly assuming Jesus keeps His as scripture says we will recognize Him by His scars.

My point is that with us we can be brainwashed. We can forget. We can choose to not care any longer. But God CAN NEVER. Who can brainwash God? God chooses to live with that scar for eternity. God chooses to live with these people / angels that hate Him for all eternity. Because it gives Him pleasure? Of course not!!! The fact that there is an eternal hell points 100% to God's unbelievable love. He chooses to keep that murderer / pedophile alive because He still loves them. He can annihilate. But if He doesn't, it is simply evidence of greater love. He chooses to tolerate / make space for them in His universe and mind (maybe heart) for ALL eternity. I still can't quite wrap my mind around this. The reality that God HATES (* absolutely detests) sin but yet CHOOSES to live with what He hates. It can ONLY be because of His real and continuing love for His creation.

 

[Barrd]

I agree 100%. I don't believe God ever stops loving any of His creation.

Just bear with me now...I have a point to make ;). With respect to those that go to hell. There are five possible scenarios that I can think of that can apply to us being able to continue 'living in peace' whilst in heaven.

1. God removes all knowledge of them from our minds. Brainwashing.
2. We know that God is treating them as well is possible. Something better or even on par with the Geneva convention.
3. After a while we just forget about them. They continue in their suffering and we just don't care any longer.
4. God annihilates them all after a while of suffering and in time we forget they ever existed.
5. We live with our memories of them, knowing they are suffering. It becomes like a scar of our past that we carry with us for eternity as a reminder. Much like Jesus keeps His. I am mostly assuming Jesus keeps His as scripture says we will recognize Him by His scars.

My point is that with us we can be brainwashed. We can forget. We can choose to not care any longer. But God CAN NEVER. Who can brainwash God? God chooses to live with that scar for eternity. God chooses to live with these people / angels that hate Him for all eternity. Because it gives Him pleasure? Of course not!!! The fact that there is an eternal hell points 100% to God's unbelievable love. He chooses to keep that murderer / pedophile alive because He still loves them. He can annihilate. But if He doesn't, it is simply evidence of greater love. He chooses to tolerate / make space for them in His universe and mind (maybe heart) for ALL eternity. I still can't quite wrap my mind around this. The reality that God HATES (* absolutely detests) sin but yet CHOOSES to live with what He hates. It can ONLY be because of His real and continuing love for His creation.

You make a very good point, King J. I completely agree.

1. God removes all knowledge of them from our minds. Brainwashing.
He does promise to wipe all tears from our eyes, so this one is entirely possible.

2. We know that God is treating them as well is possible. Something better or even on par with the Geneva convention.
This is a brand new idea to me. I had always thought of hell as a place of eternal suffering.

3. After a while we just forget about them. They continue in their suffering and we just don't care any longer.
I'm a mother. I can't accept this one. Sorry.

4. God annihilates them all after a while of suffering and in time we forget they ever existed.
Revelation does call the Lake of Fire "the second death", and we know that death and hell, which are tossed into that Lake are gone.
And it also says that those who are not found in the Book are also tossed into that Fire.
And we are told that the wages of sin is death...

5. We live with our memories of them, knowing they are suffering. It becomes like a scar of our past that we carry with us for eternity as a reminder. Much like Jesus keeps His. I am mostly assuming Jesus keeps His as scripture says we will recognize Him by His scars.
I'm not sure about this one. But I suppose it is possible. We are told that when we see Him we will be like He is...scars and all??

 

[marks]

Their sins are not relevant to discuss and name if you are actually preaching the Gospel and not oppressive bs.

I agree.

And if the Holy Spirit is not speaking to another's heart, my words won't help either.

Much love!
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