Homosexuality: Is it the way a person is born?

[KingJ]

It is quite wrong and very shameful for anyone to try to compare the two as they are not one and the same at all. And for your information, most crimes of paedophilia are being committed by Straight, Heterosexual people many times within their own homes as exemplified in many reports.

10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

The underlined suggests you have real issues on this subject / unfit to type unbiasedly.

The link is lame with all due respect. Anything there that you actually agree with that you want to discuss?

Can you explain to me why you believe the gay argument for born that way is greater then the paedophiles argument? I think we need to focus discussion there.

Only man grades sin.

God says if you murder you're a sinner.
You look on a woman with lust you're a sinner.
You steal, sinner.
You rape sinner.
You lie to people sinner.

All have to be covered by the blood of Christ or ALL are placed into the lake of fire.

No one gets a hotter area of the lake, despite Dante.

You see man thinks the punishment will fit the crime, God says they all go to the lake.

Please read LightMessengers link in post # 250. You two seem to have reading issues. Soon this thread will be relocated to the humour section.

 

[JimParker]

It is very correct to declare that one "sin" cannot be more egregious than another especially when Heterosexuals do not see other sins as "sins", only homosexuality. The penchant to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians has sadly become very pervasive. I see it as no different than what happened during the Christian INQUISITION where many innocent people were targeted and killed by evil-thinking murderers who had only evil on their mind and the thought to commit murder which is against God's Sixth Commandment.

This is no different as the bad attitudes against the LGBT community by holier-than-thou misinformed people has sadly caused many to lose their innocent lives and it has become so pervasive that the courts are now finally taking action to protect innocent Gay and Lesbian citizens and give them their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause as they are most deserving of. And in America alone almost 60% of Americans, mostly Straight people including Evangelicals, now support Equality for homosexuals. But one must remember that they did not have an Equal Protection Clause in the time of Christ so people could shamefully feel free to discriminate against those folks even up to the Sixteenth Century witch-burnings. That cannot continue as God is not pleased with His Holy Word being perverted to indicate that homosexuality is a sin. It is not since people are born that way and love such as to act upon their innate nature just as Straight people are born that way and love and act upon their innate nature also. What IS sinful in God's eyes is promiscuity but that, of course, applies to both Gay and Straight people.

But I ask you and others, in wanting to condemn homosexuals because you perceive that to be a sin, what about the sin of your wearing clothes made from two different fabrics? What about the sin of your eating shellfish like lobster, crab, etc.? What about Leviticus 3:17 about not eating FAT? How many are complying with that which is in the Holy Bible? I need to know how many are actually complying? And what about Leviticus 19:27 for men not to trim their beards? Men, are you in compliance with this directive or are you continuing to sin against Holy Bible teachings? Be honest with your answer.

So, before we can be convinced that there is only One Sin, Homosexuality, that should be targeted before God's eyes we must be ever assured that ALL people are refraining from committing the multitude of sins that the Holy Bible so vividly describes in Leviticus alone. Otherwise, we are merely looking at the hypocrisy of hypocritical people!

<<...I see it as no different than what happened during the Christian INQUISITION.....bla...bla...bla...It is very correct to declare that one "sin" cannot be more egregious than another especially when Heterosexuals do not see other sins as "sins", only homosexuality.>>

yawn - please do try to get real

<<And in America alone almost 60% of Americans, mostly Straight people including Evangelicals, now support Equality for homosexuals.>>

And exactly what doe "Equality for homosexuals" mean?

You already can vote. You buy or rent a home anywhere you want. You can attend any school, college, or university you want. You can join the military without worrying about being "discovered." You can eat at any restaurant you want, attend any theater you want, go to any concert you want, attend any church, synagogue, coven, etc. you want.

So exactly what is it that you need that you're not getting?

<<This is no different as the bad attitudes against the LGBT community by holier-than-thou misinformed people has sadly caused many to lose their innocent lives...>>

Who in the United States has lost their life because of the actions of Christians and the fact that God has condemned homosexual acts?

<<That cannot continue as God is not pleased with His Holy Word being perverted to indicate that homosexuality is a sin.>>

Old Covenant
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
New Covenant
1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Those are some of the scriptures. What has been perverted and by whom?

<<...the courts are now finally taking action to protect innocent Gay and Lesbian citizens and give them their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause as they are most deserving of.>>

Yes. and Christians are having to go to court to be allowed the free exercise of religion, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment, without being sued by the LGBT activists who want to deny Christians of their rights under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

<<What about the sin of your eating shellfish like lobster, crab, etc.?>>

Those were not sins, per se. Rather, eating those things (being scavengers) rendered a person temporarily "unclean" (defiled). Those who ate them were forbidden to participate in any temple ceremony or even enter into the temple area. But, after the food passed through, they were no longer unclean.

Also, Jesus declared all foods clean when He said that it is not what goes into a person that defiles him but what comes out of the overflow of his heart. (Mark 7:18-19)

<<What about Leviticus 3:17 about not eating FAT?>>

That was part of the sacrificial ordinances which Jesus fulfilled by His self-sacrifice.

<<And what about Leviticus 19:27 for men not to trim their beards?>>

That regulation forbade men to imitate those who worshiped celestial bodies and who cut their hair and trimmed their beards to represent the heavenly spheres. It was given to the Jews so that they would no imitate the worship of the pagan cultures around them.

<<I need to know how many are actually complying?>>

That's curious that you would have such a need and that it would be so important to you.

And why are you asking Christians why they don't keep the Law of Moses? Gentiles are not required to keep all of the Law of Moses. (See Acts 15)

<<So, before we can be convinced that there is only One Sin, Homosexuality, that should be targeted before God's eyes>>

No one is doing that in this country. Now in Muslim countries, they kill homosexuals. But not here.

Please, go do your LGBT thing to your heart's content. Enjoy!

Just don't try to force me to approve of it or participate in it, OK?

And why would you even need my approval of your behavior? It's none of my business.

And. please, quit pretending your some kind of oppressed minority. Nobody's making you ride at the back of the bus or use the LGBT rest room and drinking fountain or posting signs on restaurants saying "No LGBT will be served." Nobody's lynching GLBT folk or burning their houses down or dynamiting Metropolitan Community Churches. There are no want job postings that say "No LGBT need apply."

 

[LightMessenger]

@lightmessenger
If many could link paedophiles, gays, liberals and any non wasps they would do so in an instant.

In fact I firmly believe that these kinds of people hold the idea that the anti-christ will be part black, Asian, hispanic, Jewish with the mother of Roman Catholic birth, the father Muslim and raised with transgendered Nazi feminist Eskimos that are child molesters.

Just so they have all of their favourite groups to hate at once.

And if they can somehow link them ask to the jws or mormons the better.

@pom2014
You are so right about that and have hit the nail right on the head! And there is no love or compassion being shown in seeing Gays their way through the eyes of hate and intolerance.

But you see, some of these folks are so ingrained with negative thinking through generations of inappropriate Scripture training that they cannot learn to think for themselves anymore. They continue to use Scriptures that do not condemn homosexuality but in effect, are speaking to something entirely different. But it's all about power and control to them. These so-called Christians do more harm than good when all they can think about is condemning Gays and Lesbians. Jesus never did that and neither should they. And it is by the blood of Jesus Christ that we are saved and He spoke not one word against homosexuality.

But many like to come in here to Promote Hate for those they so vehemently dislike. That is their one and only agenda and that is truly sad to see in this day and age.

The fact that no one can definitively say that they have complied with ALL of the passages in Leviticus, as brought out previously by me, can only mean that they are targeting ONLY the LGBT Community as sinful. Therefore, before we can be fully convinced that there is only One Sin, Homosexuality, that should be targeted before man's eyes we must be ever reassured that ALL people are refraining from committing the multitude of sins that the Holy Bible so vividly describes in Leviticus alone. Otherwise, we are merely looking at the hypocrisy of hypocritical people not worthy of being listened to.

 

[pom2014]

Light, let me clarify something, I'm not saying that homosexuals can engage in sex and still be able to go the Kingdom.

I'm saying that a homosexual that abstains from sex can.

Straights that have sex sinfully will also not see the Kingdom, and that's a great deal of remarried people where their spouses still live.

But all whom are redeemed by grace and GO AND SIN NO MORE, will see the Kingdom. That's true for rapists, arsonists, murderers, thieves, paedophiles and homosexuals.

They all get to go when they accept grace and stop their sinful way.

 

[JimParker]

@pom2014
You are so right about that and have hit the nail right on the head! And there is no love or compassion being shown in seeing Gays their way through the eyes of hate and intolerance.

But you see, some of these folks are so ingrained with negative thinking through generations of inappropriate Scripture training that they cannot learn to think for themselves anymore. They continue to use Scriptures that do not condemn homosexuality but in effect, are speaking to something entirely different. But it's all about power and control to them. These so-called Christians do more harm than good when all they can think about is condemning Gays and Lesbians. Jesus never did that and neither should they. And it is by the blood of Jesus Christ that we are saved and He spoke not one word against homosexuality.

But many like to come in here to Promote Hate for those they so vehemently dislike. That is their one and only agenda and that is truly sad to see in this day and age.

The fact that no one can definitively say that they have complied with ALL of the passages in Leviticus, as brought out previously by me, can only mean that they are targeting ONLY the LGBT Community as sinful. Therefore, before we can be fully convinced that there is only One Sin, Homosexuality, that should be targeted before man's eyes we must be ever reassured that ALL people are refraining from committing the multitude of sins that the Holy Bible so vividly describes in Leviticus alone. Otherwise, we are merely looking at the hypocrisy of hypocritical people not worthy of being listened to.

<<But you see, some of these folks are so ingrained with negative thinking through generations of inappropriate Scripture training that they cannot learn to think for themselves anymore. They continue to use Scriptures that do not condemn homosexuality but in effect, are speaking to something entirely different. >>

Who did that "inappropriate Scripture training"? Name them, please.

Please explain why is your understanding correct and theirs faulty? (Or; Why should I believe you?)

Please explain what the following scripture "really" mean since, according to what I think your saying, they don't mean what they say.

OT

Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.


NT (No stoning allowed!)

Rom 1:26-27 Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[LightMessenger]

<<...I see it as no different than what happened during the Christian INQUISITION.....bla...bla...bla...It is very correct to declare that one "sin" cannot be more egregious than another especially when Heterosexuals do not see other sins as "sins", only homosexuality.>>

"yawn - please do try to get real"

I cannot get any more real that that as that is the way it is.

<<And in America alone almost 60% of Americans, mostly Straight people including Evangelicals, now support Equality for homosexuals.>>


"And exactly what doe "Equality for homosexuals" mean?

"You already can vote. You buy or rent a home anywhere you want. You can attend any school, college, or university you want. You can join the military without worrying about being "discovered." You can eat at any restaurant you want, attend any theater you want, go to any concert you want, attend any church, synagogue, coven, etc. you want.

"So exactly what is it that you need that you're not getting?"

Equality to marry those whom they love, for one, as you can already do. And that means Full Marriage Equality, not a "civil union." That Needs To be Equalized In This Country for parity. As for the renting situation, there is no blanket law in America that would forbid landlords or property managers from discriminating against an LGBT couple or an individual due to their sexual orientation. And many schools, colleges, or universities do not fully allow the LGBT person to express themselves and be who they are while on campus.

As for restaurants, you've got to be kidding! Many simply do not allow Gay or Lesbians to eat there even if they are not being overt such as kissing, holding hands, etc. but by the mere belief that the "way they look" they must be Gay or Lesbian. That needs to be seriously corrected by the law as soon as possible to avoid future discrimination. And now with the "Religious freedom" law in effect in some states, we are seeing more and more signs that do not allow Gays and Lesbians to patronize their business.

<<This is no different as the bad attitudes against the LGBT community by holier-than-thou misinformed people has sadly caused many to lose their innocent lives...>>

"Who in the United States has lost their life because of the actions of Christians and the fact that God has condemned homosexual acts?"

You want examples? Many who follow the forces of religious anti-love with erroneous Biblical teachings that God hates homsexuals, which He does not, continue to discriminate and make life very hard for them. There are a multitude of young Gay and Lesbian children, among the adults, who have been driven to commit suicide and have been beat-up, bullied, maimed, tortured, and even killed by intolerant homophobes who could not stand the fact that they were Gay. One need go no farther than to what happened to young Matthew Shepard, of Wyoming, who was tied to a post in the dead of winter, beaten to a pulp, and left to die because he was Gay. There are plenty more examples like that of 15 year-old Jadin Bell, a young man from Oregon, who was so severely discriminated against on a daily basis because of his sexual orientation that he committed suicide by hanging himself in order to escape from all of the pain inflicted upon him by his peers. There are many other examples.

<<That cannot continue as God is not pleased with His Holy Word being perverted to indicate that homosexuality is a sin.>>

Old Covenant
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
New Covenant
1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

"Those are some of the scriptures. What has been perverted and by whom?"

The Scriptures have most unfortunately been perverted by those with homophobia in their heart and mind who want power and control over the LGBT community such as to falsely claim and interpret them to mean that God and Jesus hate homosexuals and that they will not go to Heaven unless they become straight which is not possible due to their predetermined sexual orientation. That they are condemned is simply not true and it is simply outrageous and despicable that some are using inappropriate Scriptures to justify their prejudice and hate against those they do not care to love and understand.

<<...the courts are now finally taking action to protect innocent Gay and Lesbian citizens and give them their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause as they are most deserving of.>>

"Yes. and Christians are having to go to court to be allowed the free exercise of religion, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment, without being sued by the LGBT activists who want to deny Christians of their rights under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment."

But haven't you stopped to think that it was Christians who brought all this upon themselves? They did so by simply refusing to allow Gays and Lesbians to marry as they, themselves, have a right to do. Listen, we are not living in a Theocracy. The citizenry in this country does not follow theocratic beliefs of the radical far-right wingers. That is the quickest way to bring division to this country and its citizens by allowing those who wish to rule by Oligarchy to dictate that this is a Theocracy we are living under.

But just look at what has been happening since the enactment of the "Religious freedom" laws that some states have in order to be able to discriminate against the LGBT community. The law is so broad that it is actually now also affecting Heterosexual, Straight people as well and very possibly even imperiling their health.

Religious Freedom Law Endangered The Health of a Georgia Woman

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/15/religious-freedom-law-endangered-health-georgia-woman.html

"Americans have not yet seen the scope or consequences of ‘religious freedom‘ evangelicals are going to impose on this nation, but they damn sure can rest assured that every American will be impacted at some point in the near future. It is due, in great part, to both apathy in the face of impending theocracy and the abject fear of Americans to condemn what very few citizens still believe will never happen in America; theocratic tyranny under the guise of religious freedom."

<<What about the sin of your eating shellfish like lobster, crab, etc.?>>

"Those were not sins, per se. Rather, eating those things (being scavengers) rendered a person temporarily "unclean" (defiled). Those who ate them were forbidden to participate in any temple ceremony or even enter into the temple area. But, after the food passed through, they were no longer unclean.

"Also, Jesus declared all foods clean when He said that it is not what goes into a person that defiles him but what comes out of the overflow of his heart. (Mark 7:18-19)"

Of course they were sins! So now you're saying that if they ate those things they were unclean while the food was inside them but as soon as they had a bowel movement and disposed of what they had eaten, suddenly they were no longer unclean because that bodily function was the miraculous panacea? Who do you think is honestly going to believe that twisted story?!

<<What about Leviticus 3:17 about not eating FAT?>>

T

"That was part of the sacrificial ordinances which Jesus fulfilled by His self-sacrifice."

He has thus not only cleansed everyone from the eating of fat but also from any and all perceived sins they have committed, including homosexuality (if God even perceives that as being sin), except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is important to also recognize.

<<And what about Leviticus 19:27 for men not to trim their beards?>>

"That regulation forbade men to imitate those who worshiped celestial bodies and who cut their hair and trimmed their beards to represent the heavenly spheres. It was given to the Jews so that they would no imitate the worship of the pagan cultures around them."

Is that why so many holy men continued the opposite practice during the time of Jesus?

<<I need to know how many are actually complying?>>

"That's curious that you would have such a need and that it would be so important to you.

"And why are you asking Christians why they don't keep the Law of Moses? Gentiles are not required to keep all of the Law of Moses. (See Acts 15)"

How convenient. But of course it's important! If people here are going to only pick and choose one sin over another then we need to know if they are complying and obeying what God has ordained including also what is in His Ten Commandments. But you know full well that they are not, because they only pick, choose, and target one group of people for blatant discrimination, those whom they continue to dislike.

<<So, before we can be convinced that there is only One Sin, Homosexuality, that should be targeted before God's eyes>>

"No one is doing that in this country. Now in Muslim countries, they kill homosexuals. But not here.

"Please, go do your LGBT thing to your heart's content. Enjoy!

"Just don't try to force me to approve of it or participate in it, OK?

"And why would you even need my approval of your behavior? It's none of my business.

"And. please, quit pretending your some kind of oppressed minority. Nobody's making you ride at the back of the bus or use the LGBT rest room and drinking fountain or posting signs on restaurants saying "No LGBT will be served." Nobody's lynching GLBT folk or burning their houses down or dynamiting Metropolitan Community Churches. There are no want job postings that say "No LGBT need apply."

What century are you living in? Of course it's being done here. Look at all of the blatant discrimination against the LGBT community that is going on. Laws like the "Religous freedom" being enacted by the states as a "license to discriminate" against them; Anti-Gay factions going to court to fight against a Gay and Lesbian citizen's civil and human rights; continued beatings and the murder of members of the Gay and Lesbian community. Of course to you, it is apparent that you do not care about those things, despite the fact that murder is against God's Sixth Commandment but it is o.k., it's alright if it happens to the Gay Community right? Why are you and many others not out there fighting against those who commit those heinous crimes and defending the LGBT community against such cruelty?

And no one is forcing you to believe, approve, or participate in one thing over another. What others and I are trying to do is to try to make you see the error in your ways by continuing to discriminate in this day and age against people whom Jesus did not discriminate against. That is the bottom line.

It is an utter outrage that you do not want to admit that the LGBT community continues to be relegated to the back of the bus in many areas where straight heterosexuals do not have that problem. LGBT members continue to be seen as second-class citizens. In sum, this country needs to end discrimination against the LGBT community but come June of this year the SCOTUS will issue their ruling that will hopefully help to protect the community from discrimination to include the right to marry their same-sex partner. And their ruling will be effective for all 50 states as they are the highest Federal Court in the land and hopefully they will see good reason in ending the continued discrimination that has gone rampant in this country for so long a time against those whom others see as different from themselves.

Light, let me clarify something, I'm not saying that homosexuals can engage in sex and still be able to go the Kingdom.

I'm saying that a homosexual that abstains from sex can.

Straights that have sex sinfully will also not see the Kingdom, and that's a great deal of remarried people where their spouses still live.

But all whom are redeemed by grace and GO AND SIN NO MORE, will see the Kingdom. That's true for rapists, arsonists, murderers, thieves, paedophiles and homosexuals.

They all get to go when they accept grace and stop their sinful way.

If homosexuals would not be able to ever engage in sex just as their Heterosexual counterparts plainly can that would be the cruelest trick ever played upon them and dictated to a group of people who have biological needs and desires just like anyone else. It is whether or not they are promiscuous that God cares about, not their sexual orientation.

Then if a homosexual has to always abstain from sex, the heterosexual must also do the same otherwise it is prejudicial and blatant discrimination.

Again, the only sin God sees is that of whether a Gay or Straight person is promiscuous and what they do about it. Remember Mary Magdalene? She was unclean due to adultery and had seven demons. Jesus did not condemn her but rather told her to "Go and sin no more." In doing so, He was addressing the sin of adultery/promiscuity and for her to refrain from it.

God knows people are not perfect and that they will always be prone to sin. That much is known and understood. But to forbid a group of people from ever engaging in what comes so naturally to them such as sex, a desire that cannot so easily be supppressed, cannot be the intention that God had in mind. It was obviously the intention of those who had their own personal prejudices in the time of Christ who wrote that sex should be abstained from other than when a person is married. The answer in this day and age therefore is to stop promiscuity altogether and allow for Full Marriage Equality between two loving, responsible same-sex adults.

 

[pom2014]

Your example of Mary is right. Go and sin no more. No more adultery. So too the homosexual cannot continue sinning with gay sex.

Now is that fair that straights can and gays cannot, no, but then is it fair that some little people cannot give birth safely due to their size? No. But this is the burden that they bear because God made them that way.

So what does a little person do? Adopt. That glorifies the lp, the child and the mother that gave the child up.

What does the gay do? Abstains from sex with their own gender and transfers that energy to other glorifying pursuits.

No one says you MUST have sex.

So you do something else.

But your don't remain in sin.

 

[LightMessenger]

<<But you see, some of these folks are so ingrained with negative thinking through generations of inappropriate Scripture training that they cannot learn to think for themselves anymore. They continue to use Scriptures that do not condemn homosexuality but in effect, are speaking to something entirely different. >>

Who did that "inappropriate Scripture training"? Name them, please.

Who did that, you ask? Those who brought up their children and then those children who had their children and so on and so forth for generations who passed that erroneous belief of condemnation that's who.



Please explain why is your understanding correct and theirs faulty? (Or; Why should I believe you?)

Let's reverse that way of thinking and say why should I believe your prejudices and intolerance?

Please explain what the following scripture "really" mean since, according to what I think your saying, they don't mean what they say.

OT

Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.


NT (No stoning allowed!)

Rom 1:26-27 Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Fair question. All of those Scriptures are speaking to the "natural relations" that is to say, that a Heterosexual or Straight man or woman should not leave that desire for sleeping with the opposite sex such as to engage in homosexual acts because that would obviously be UNNATURAL to them. That is correct. It is, however, not addressing those who are already homosexual from refraining from engaging in that which does comes NATURAL to them. That is the main difference here.

 

[JimParker]

Light, let me clarify something, I'm not saying that homosexuals can engage in sex and still be able to go the Kingdom.

I'm saying that a homosexual that abstains from sex can.

Straights that have sex sinfully will also not see the Kingdom, and that's a great deal of remarried people where their spouses still live.

But all whom are redeemed by grace and GO AND SIN NO MORE, will see the Kingdom. That's true for rapists, arsonists, murderers, thieves, paedophiles and homosexuals.

They all get to go when they accept grace and stop their sinful way.

If homosexuals would not be able to ever engage in sex just as their Heterosexual counterparts plainly can that would be the cruelest trick ever played upon them and dictated to a group of people who have biological needs and desires just like anyone else. It is whether or not they are promiscuous that God cares about, not their sexual orientation.

Then if a homosexual has to always abstain from sex, the heterosexual must also do the same otherwise it is prejudicial and blatant discrimination.

Again, the only sin God sees is that of whether a Gay or Straight person is promiscuous and what they do about it. Remember Mary Magdalene? She was unclean due to adultery and had seven demons. Jesus did not condemn her but rather told her to "Go and sin no more." In doing so, He was addressing the sin of adultery/promiscuity and for her to refrain from it.

God knows people are not perfect and that they will always be prone to sin. That much is known and understood. But to forbid a group of people from ever engaging in what comes so naturally to them such as sex, a desire that cannot so easily be supppressed, cannot be the intention that God had in mind. It was obviously the intention of those who had their own personal prejudices in the time of Christ who wrote that sex should be abstained from other than when a person is married. The answer in this day and age therefore is to stop promiscuity altogether and allow for Full Marriage Equality between two loving, responsible same-sex adults.

Equality to marry those whom they love, for one, as you can already do. And that means Full Marriage Equality, not a "civil union."

That doesn’t answer the question. What does “Equality” mean? If it means that you and your (whatever) get to file joint tax returns, no problem. If it means that community property rules apply, I’m all for it. If it means that you have every legal right that a heterosexual couple has, that’s absolutely fine with me.

But, if it means that I have to recognize your homosexual marriage as equivalent to a heterosexual marriage, forget it. That’s not going to happen. If it means that I don’t have the right to say, “I don’t do homosexual marriages based on my religious beliefs.” Then I’m against it.

As for the renting situation, there is no blanket law in America that would forbid landlords or property managers from discriminating against an LGBT couple or an individual due to their sexual orientation.

14th amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I would support any law that prohibited discrimination in housing based on sexual orientation.

And many schools, colleges, or universities do not fully allow the LGBT person to express themselves and be who they are while on campus.

Christian and other religious schools, colleges, or universities are not required to support “homosexual expression” based on their 1st amendment right to free exercise of religion.

Don’t apply to one of those. There are literally a thousand alternatives that offer just as good an education if not better so being rejected by people you wouldn’t want to be around anyway does not harm you.

<< As for restaurants, you've got to be kidding! Many simply do not allow Gay or Lesbians to eat there >>

How would they know? Do you wear a big sign saying “I’m GAY!!!”?

I don’t believe you.

And now with the "Religious freedom" law in effect in some states, we are seeing more and more signs that do not allow Gays and Lesbians to patronize their business.

Baloney! I don’t believe you.

There are plenty more examples like that of 15 year-old Jadin Bell, a young man from Oregon, who was so severely discriminated against on a daily basis because of his sexual orientation that he committed suicide by hanging himself in order to escape from all of the pain inflicted upon him by his peers. There are many other examples.

Teenagers can be nasty. They form cliques. They abuse and insult one another. They ostracize people they don’t like. It happened to me when I was a kid. There are others who have been harassed and bullied and committed suicide, but were not homosexual. I have friends who were beaten every day by groups of Mexican or black kids because they were white. Your example is bogus. It doesn’t show any behavior that any kid could be subject to.

The Scriptures have most unfortunately been perverted by those with homophobia in their heart and mind who want power and control over the LGBT community

Please, “un-pervert” them. Tell us what they really mean based on your extensive knowledge of the ancient Biblical languages and cultures. Correct the translators and tell us all why they are ALL wrong. (I won’t hold my breath.”

such as to falsely claim and interpret them to mean that God and Jesus hate homosexuals

There actually are some churches that do teach that crap. But ,as hard as you try and as many laws as you get passed, you can’t fix stupid.

and that they will not go to Heaven

That’s exactly what 1 Cor 6:9-10 says. All the laws on earth will not change God’s mind. He doesn’t change. And God doesn’t need your approval.

their predetermined sexual orientation

more baloney and propaganda

But haven't you stopped to think that it was Christians who brought all this upon themselves? They did so by simply refusing to allow Gays and Lesbians to marry as they, themselves, have a right to do.

Homosexuals can marry. You can quit throwing your hissy-fits and you can quit targeting people for exercising their right to freedom of religion.

No minister is obligated to violate his personal or denominational religious beliefs in order to accommodate your demands. There are plenty of organizations that will marry you so you are not harmed by any individual or group who will not do so.

Try going to a mosque and getting married. Muslims still stone homosexuals.

The citizenry in this country does not follow theocratic beliefs of the radical far-right wingers.

That kind of Bee Ess propaganda is just empty noise.

But just look at what has been happening since the enactment of the "Religious freedom" laws that some states have in order to be able to discriminate against the LGBT community.

What is happening is that the LGBT mob is throwing a group hissy-fit. Those laws only reiterate what the constitution already says.

Anyway, that’s about of the LGBT, progressive/socialist polit-garbage I can take.

God loves you.

He hates you behavior because it ends in death.

You’ve been informed. You have the right to keep rebelling against God. He won’t harm you; He will give you every opportunity to repent; but He also won’t allow you to be united with him in eternity if you persist in your behavior.

That’s the facts. Take ‘em or leave ‘em.

 

[LightMessenger]

Your example of Mary is right. Go and sin no more. No more adultery. So too the homosexual cannot continue sinning with gay sex.

Now is that fair that straights can and gays cannot, no, but then is it fair that some little people cannot give birth safely due to their size? No. But this is the burden that they bear because God made them that way.

So what does a little person do? Adopt. That glorifies the lp, the child and the mother that gave the child up.

What does the gay do? Abstains from sex with their own gender and transfers that energy to other glorifying pursuits.

No one says you MUST have sex.

So you do something else.

But your don't remain in sin.

Sorry to have to inform you to get with reality already but there are even those in clergy who cannot abstain from having sex with other adults no matter how hard they try and it would be cruel to make or compel them to do so due to their innate biological needs that they were born with. That's why it should not be a mandate. Medically speaking, and I am not a physician, but they have informed us that people who abstain from sex altogether are prone to have many problems in their life including mental ones. It is simply cruel and unusual punishment in today's world to require them to do so.

 

[JimParker]

<<But you see, some of these folks are so ingrained with negative thinking through generations of inappropriate Scripture training that they cannot learn to think for themselves anymore. They continue to use Scriptures that do not condemn homosexuality but in effect, are speaking to something entirely different. >>



Who did that "inappropriate Scripture training"? Name them, please.

Who did that, you ask? Those who brought up their children and then those children who had their children and so on and so forth for generations who passed that erroneous belief of condemnation that's who.



Please explain why is your understanding correct and theirs faulty? (Or; Why should I believe you?)

Let's reverse that way of thinking and say why should I believe your prejudices and intolerance?

Please explain what the following scripture "really" mean since, according to what I think your saying, they don't mean what they say.

OT

Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.


NT (No stoning allowed!)

Rom 1:26-27 Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Fair question. All of those Scriptures are speaking to the "natural relations" that is to say, that a Heterosexual or Straight man or woman should not leave that desire for sleeping with the opposite sex such as to engage in homosexual acts because that would obviously be UNNATURAL to them. That is correct. It is, however, not addressing those who are already homosexual from refraining from engaging in that which does comes NATURAL to them. That is the main difference here.





,,Those who brought up their children and then those children who had their children and so on and so forth for generations who passed that erroneous belief of condemnation that's who.>>

Ah! Those despicable people who taught their children exactly what the God taught. I see.

<<All of those Scriptures are speaking to the "natural relations" that is to say, that a Heterosexual or Straight man or woman should not leave that desire for sleeping with the opposite sex such as to engage in homosexual acts because that would obviously be UNNATURAL to them.>>

No. That is not what it says.

It says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman." <--(period)

The LGBT propaganda you posted is a modern (and asinine) invention by LGBT activists who imagine they force God to approve of their sin if they can just get those doggone Christians to SHUT UP!

In fact. That is the objective of the targeting of Christian organizations by the LGBT mob. They want Christians to shut up and quit telling the truth that homosexual acts are abhorrent to God and that those who practice them will end up in eternal death. If we would just shut up, they can pretend that God says that Homosexuality is a "blessed estate" rather than a sin that will guarantee you eternal death separated from God.

Well, if you think the church is a problem, wait til you have to deal with the Imams!

OK, So, are you a LGBT activist pretending to be a Christian so you can show Christians how evil, wicked, mean and nasty we all are?

Just wondering.

 

[pom2014]

Look what men allow is different from what God allows.

If you want to be right with men, follow them.

I'm talking of God and sin. No gay sex. If you want to see the Kingdom.

Just like no theft, arson, murder, rape or any sin.

I don't care what men say I care what my King says.

 

[LightMessenger]

If homosexuals would not be able to ever engage in sex just as their Heterosexual counterparts plainly can that would be the cruelest trick ever played upon them and dictated to a group of people who have biological needs and desires just like anyone else. It is whether or not they are promiscuous that God cares about, not their sexual orientation.

Then if a homosexual has to always abstain from sex, the heterosexual must also do the same otherwise it is prejudicial and blatant discrimination.

Again, the only sin God sees is that of whether a Gay or Straight person is promiscuous and what they do about it. Remember Mary Magdalene? She was unclean due to adultery and had seven demons. Jesus did not condemn her but rather told her to "Go and sin no more." In doing so, He was addressing the sin of adultery/promiscuity and for her to refrain from it.

God knows people are not perfect and that they will always be prone to sin. That much is known and understood. But to forbid a group of people from ever engaging in what comes so naturally to them such as sex, a desire that cannot so easily be supppressed, cannot be the intention that God had in mind. It was obviously the intention of those who had their own personal prejudices in the time of Christ who wrote that sex should be abstained from other than when a person is married. The answer in this day and age therefore is to stop promiscuity altogether and allow for Full Marriage Equality between two loving, responsible same-sex adults.

Equality to marry those whom they love, for one, as you can already do. And that means Full Marriage Equality, not a "civil union."

That doesn’t answer the question. What does “Equality” mean? If it means that you and your (whatever) get to file joint tax returns, no problem. If it means that community property rules apply, I’m all for it. If it means that you have every legal right that a heterosexual couple has, that’s absolutely fine with me.

But, if it means that I have to recognize your homosexual marriage as equivalent to a heterosexual marriage, forget it. That’s not going to happen. If it means that I don’t have the right to say, “I don’t do homosexual marriages based on my religious beliefs.” Then I’m against it.

As for the renting situation, there is no blanket law in America that would forbid landlords or property managers from discriminating against an LGBT couple or an individual due to their sexual orientation.

14th amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I would support any law that prohibited discrimination in housing based on sexual orientation.

And many schools, colleges, or universities do not fully allow the LGBT person to express themselves and be who they are while on campus.

Christian and other religious schools, colleges, or universities are not required to support “homosexual expression” based on their 1st amendment right to free exercise of religion.

Don’t apply to one of those. There are literally a thousand alternatives that offer just as good an education if not better so being rejected by people you wouldn’t want to be around anyway does not harm you.

<< As for restaurants, you've got to be kidding! Many simply do not allow Gay or Lesbians to eat there >>

How would they know? Do you wear a big sign saying “I’m GAY!!!”?

I don’t believe you.

And now with the "Religious freedom" law in effect in some states, we are seeing more and more signs that do not allow Gays and Lesbians to patronize their business.

Baloney! I don’t believe you.

There are plenty more examples like that of 15 year-old Jadin Bell, a young man from Oregon, who was so severely discriminated against on a daily basis because of his sexual orientation that he committed suicide by hanging himself in order to escape from all of the pain inflicted upon him by his peers. There are many other examples.

Teenagers can be nasty. They form cliques. They abuse and insult one another. They ostracize people they don’t like. It happened to me when I was a kid. There are others who have been harassed and bullied and committed suicide, but were not homosexual. I have friends who were beaten every day by groups of Mexican or black kids because they were white. Your example is bogus. It doesn’t show any behavior that any kid could be subject to.

The Scriptures have most unfortunately been perverted by those with homophobia in their heart and mind who want power and control over the LGBT community

Please, “un-pervert” them. Tell us what they really mean based on your extensive knowledge of the ancient Biblical languages and cultures. Correct the translators and tell us all why they are ALL wrong. (I won’t hold my breath.”

such as to falsely claim and interpret them to mean that God and Jesus hate homosexuals

There actually are some churches that do teach that crap. But ,as hard as you try and as many laws as you get passed, you can’t fix stupid.

and that they will not go to Heaven

That’s exactly what 1 Cor 6:9-10 says. All the laws on earth will not change God’s mind. He doesn’t change. And God doesn’t need your approval.

their predetermined sexual orientation

more baloney and propaganda

But haven't you stopped to think that it was Christians who brought all this upon themselves? They did so by simply refusing to allow Gays and Lesbians to marry as they, themselves, have a right to do.

Homosexuals can marry. You can quit throwing your hissy-fits and you can quit targeting people for exercising their right to freedom of religion.

No minister is obligated to violate his personal or denominational religious beliefs in order to accommodate your demands. There are plenty of organizations that will marry you so you are not harmed by any individual or group who will not do so.

Try going to a mosque and getting married. Muslims still stone homosexuals.

The citizenry in this country does not follow theocratic beliefs of the radical far-right wingers.

That kind of Bee Ess propaganda is just empty noise.

But just look at what has been happening since the enactment of the "Religious freedom" laws that some states have in order to be able to discriminate against the LGBT community.

What is happening is that the LGBT mob is throwing a group hissy-fit. Those laws only reiterate what the constitution already says.

Anyway, that’s about of the LGBT, progressive/socialist polit-garbage I can take.

God loves you.

He hates you behavior because it ends in death.

You’ve been informed. You have the right to keep rebelling against God. He won’t harm you; He will give you every opportunity to repent; but He also won’t allow you to be united with him in eternity if you persist in your behavior.

That’s the facts. Take ‘em or leave ‘em.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In the better interests of Non-Discrimination against anyone, according to God in the Holy Bible, I will gladly leave them as those ideas are fraught with hate and intolerance something that I cannot stand nor can God.

Please take a good look at the following report and what is happening due to this new "Religious freedom" law.

Indiana Restaurant Already Bragging About Discriminating Against Gay People Following ‘Religious Liberty’ Bill

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/29/indiana-restaurant-already-bragging-about-discriminating-against-gay-people-following-religious-liberty-bill/

"You’ll notice that this is an identical argument to the one racists used in the Jim Crow south in order to justify not serving black people prior to federal legislation that forbade discrimination against a race of people regardless of a business owner’s “beliefs.” Other than that sexual orientation is not, as of yet, a federally protected status, it is unclear how a law like this can stand up to the long-established practice of non-discrimination."

Look what men allow is different from what God allows.

If you want to be right with men, follow them.

I'm talking of God and sin. No gay sex. If you want to see the Kingdom.

Just like no theft, arson, murder, rape or any sin.

I don't care what men say I care what my King says.

I am not following men I am following God and the fact that neither Jesus Christ nor God said one thing against homosexuality and it is by Jesus' blood that we are saved. End of story. Scriptures you think condemn homosexuality do not and are inappropriate to use in that regard.

,,Those who brought up their children and then those children who had their children and so on and so forth for generations who passed that erroneous belief of condemnation that's who.>>

Ah! Those despicable people who taught their children exactly what the God taught. I see.

<<All of those Scriptures are speaking to the "natural relations" that is to say, that a Heterosexual or Straight man or woman should not leave that desire for sleeping with the opposite sex such as to engage in homosexual acts because that would obviously be UNNATURAL to them.>>

No. That is not what it says.

It says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman." <--(period)

The LGBT propaganda you posted is a modern (and asinine) invention by LGBT activists who imagine they force God to approve of their sin if they can just get those doggone Christians to SHUT UP!

In fact. That is the objective of the targeting of Christian organizations by the LGBT mob. They want Christians to shut up and quit telling the truth that homosexual acts are abhorrent to God and that those who practice them will end up in eternal death. If we would just shut up, they can pretend that God says that Homosexuality is a "blessed estate" rather than a sin that will guarantee you eternal death separated from God.

Well, if you think the church is a problem, wait til you have to deal with the Imams!

OK, So, are you a LGBT activist pretending to be a Christian so you can show Christians how evil, wicked, mean and nasty we all are?

Just wondering.

No, I am not an LGBT activist. I am a proud Born Again Christian and a realist who has studied the Holy Bible and who is tired of seeing ignorant, bigoted people continue to marginalize the LGBT community who work, who pay their taxes, who go to church to worship, who have or adopt children to add to their family, and who proudly serve in the military, always placing themselves in harm's way, so that you and I can have our freedom. They deserve far better than what they are receiving from those who are bigoted against them thus, after prayerful consideration I have decided to take up their cause.

 

[StanJ]

I am not following men I am following God and the fact that neither Jesus Christ nor God said one thing against homosexuality and it is by Jesus' blood that we are saved. End of story. Scriptures you think condemn homosexuality do not and are inappropriate to use in that regard.

You've already been shown that God in the OT and Jesus in the NT did speak against homosexuality and as you have been refuted and have not addressed that refutation, this post is just plain ignorant. All I can deduce is that you are extremely obtuse or deluded.

 

[JimParker]

You've already been shown that God in the OT and Jesus in the NT did speak against homosexuality and as you have been refuted and have not addressed that refutation, this post is just plain ignorant. All I can deduce is that you are extremely obtuse or deluded.

Or has an agenda.

If homosexuals would not be able to ever engage in sex just as their Heterosexual counterparts plainly can that would be the cruelest trick ever played upon them and dictated to a group of people who have biological needs and desires just like anyone else. It is whether or not they are promiscuous that God cares about, not their sexual orientation.

Then if a homosexual has to always abstain from sex, the heterosexual must also do the same otherwise it is prejudicial and blatant discrimination.

Again, the only sin God sees is that of whether a Gay or Straight person is promiscuous and what they do about it. Remember Mary Magdalene? She was unclean due to adultery and had seven demons. Jesus did not condemn her but rather told her to "Go and sin no more." In doing so, He was addressing the sin of adultery/promiscuity and for her to refrain from it.

God knows people are not perfect and that they will always be prone to sin. That much is known and understood. But to forbid a group of people from ever engaging in what comes so naturally to them such as sex, a desire that cannot so easily be supppressed, cannot be the intention that God had in mind. It was obviously the intention of those who had their own personal prejudices in the time of Christ who wrote that sex should be abstained from other than when a person is married. The answer in this day and age therefore is to stop promiscuity altogether and allow for Full Marriage Equality between two loving, responsible same-sex adults.

Equality to marry those whom they love, for one, as you can already do. And that means Full Marriage Equality, not a "civil union."

That doesn’t answer the question. What does “Equality” mean? If it means that you and your (whatever) get to file joint tax returns, no problem. If it means that community property rules apply, I’m all for it. If it means that you have every legal right that a heterosexual couple has, that’s absolutely fine with me.

But, if it means that I have to recognize your homosexual marriage as equivalent to a heterosexual marriage, forget it. That’s not going to happen. If it means that I don’t have the right to say, “I don’t do homosexual marriages based on my religious beliefs.” Then I’m against it.

As for the renting situation, there is no blanket law in America that would forbid landlords or property managers from discriminating against an LGBT couple or an individual due to their sexual orientation.

14th amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I would support any law that prohibited discrimination in housing based on sexual orientation.

And many schools, colleges, or universities do not fully allow the LGBT person to express themselves and be who they are while on campus.

Christian and other religious schools, colleges, or universities are not required to support “homosexual expression” based on their 1st amendment right to free exercise of religion.

Don’t apply to one of those. There are literally a thousand alternatives that offer just as good an education if not better so being rejected by people you wouldn’t want to be around anyway does not harm you.

<< As for restaurants, you've got to be kidding! Many simply do not allow Gay or Lesbians to eat there >>

How would they know? Do you wear a big sign saying “I’m GAY!!!”?

I don’t believe you.

And now with the "Religious freedom" law in effect in some states, we are seeing more and more signs that do not allow Gays and Lesbians to patronize their business.

Baloney! I don’t believe you.

There are plenty more examples like that of 15 year-old Jadin Bell, a young man from Oregon, who was so severely discriminated against on a daily basis because of his sexual orientation that he committed suicide by hanging himself in order to escape from all of the pain inflicted upon him by his peers. There are many other examples.

Teenagers can be nasty. They form cliques. They abuse and insult one another. They ostracize people they don’t like. It happened to me when I was a kid. There are others who have been harassed and bullied and committed suicide, but were not homosexual. I have friends who were beaten every day by groups of Mexican or black kids because they were white. Your example is bogus. It doesn’t show any behavior that any kid could be subject to.

The Scriptures have most unfortunately been perverted by those with homophobia in their heart and mind who want power and control over the LGBT community

Please, “un-pervert” them. Tell us what they really mean based on your extensive knowledge of the ancient Biblical languages and cultures. Correct the translators and tell us all why they are ALL wrong. (I won’t hold my breath.”

such as to falsely claim and interpret them to mean that God and Jesus hate homosexuals

There actually are some churches that do teach that crap. But ,as hard as you try and as many laws as you get passed, you can’t fix stupid.

and that they will not go to Heaven

That’s exactly what 1 Cor 6:9-10 says. All the laws on earth will not change God’s mind. He doesn’t change. And God doesn’t need your approval.

their predetermined sexual orientation

more baloney and propaganda

But haven't you stopped to think that it was Christians who brought all this upon themselves? They did so by simply refusing to allow Gays and Lesbians to marry as they, themselves, have a right to do.

Homosexuals can marry. You can quit throwing your hissy-fits and you can quit targeting people for exercising their right to freedom of religion.

No minister is obligated to violate his personal or denominational religious beliefs in order to accommodate your demands. There are plenty of organizations that will marry you so you are not harmed by any individual or group who will not do so.

Try going to a mosque and getting married. Muslims still stone homosexuals.

The citizenry in this country does not follow theocratic beliefs of the radical far-right wingers.

That kind of Bee Ess propaganda is just empty noise.

But just look at what has been happening since the enactment of the "Religious freedom" laws that some states have in order to be able to discriminate against the LGBT community.

What is happening is that the LGBT mob is throwing a group hissy-fit. Those laws only reiterate what the constitution already says.

Anyway, that’s about of the LGBT, progressive/socialist polit-garbage I can take.

God loves you.

He hates you behavior because it ends in death.

You’ve been informed. You have the right to keep rebelling against God. He won’t harm you; He will give you every opportunity to repent; but He also won’t allow you to be united with him in eternity if you persist in your behavior.

That’s the facts. Take ‘em or leave ‘em.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In the better interests of Non-Discrimination against anyone, according to God in the Holy Bible, I will gladly leave them as those ideas are fraught with hate and intolerance something that I cannot stand nor can God.

Please take a good look at the following report and what is happening due to this new "Religious freedom" law.

Indiana Restaurant Already Bragging About Discriminating Against Gay People Following ‘Religious Liberty’ Bill
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/29/indiana-restaurant-already-bragging-about-discriminating-against-gay-people-following-religious-liberty-bill/

"You’ll notice that this is an identical argument to the one racists used in the Jim Crow south in order to justify not serving black people prior to federal legislation that forbade discrimination against a race of people regardless of a business owner’s “beliefs.” Other than that sexual orientation is not, as of yet, a federally protected status, it is unclear how a law like this can stand up to the long-established practice of non-discrimination."

Look what men allow is different from what God allows.

If you want to be right with men, follow them.

I'm talking of God and sin. No gay sex. If you want to see the Kingdom.

Just like no theft, arson, murder, rape or any sin.

I don't care what men say I care what my King says.

I am not following men I am following God and the fact that neither Jesus Christ nor God said one thing against homosexuality and it is by Jesus' blood that we are saved. End of story. Scriptures you think condemn homosexuality do not and are inappropriate to use in that regard.

,,Those who brought up their children and then those children who had their children and so on and so forth for generations who passed that erroneous belief of condemnation that's who.>>

Ah! Those despicable people who taught their children exactly what the God taught. I see.

<<All of those Scriptures are speaking to the "natural relations" that is to say, that a Heterosexual or Straight man or woman should not leave that desire for sleeping with the opposite sex such as to engage in homosexual acts because that would obviously be UNNATURAL to them.>>

No. That is not what it says.

It says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman." <--(period)

The LGBT propaganda you posted is a modern (and asinine) invention by LGBT activists who imagine they force God to approve of their sin if they can just get those doggone Christians to SHUT UP!

In fact. That is the objective of the targeting of Christian organizations by the LGBT mob. They want Christians to shut up and quit telling the truth that homosexual acts are abhorrent to God and that those who practice them will end up in eternal death. If we would just shut up, they can pretend that God says that Homosexuality is a "blessed estate" rather than a sin that will guarantee you eternal death separated from God.

Well, if you think the church is a problem, wait til you have to deal with the Imams!

OK, So, are you a LGBT activist pretending to be a Christian so you can show Christians how evil, wicked, mean and nasty we all are?

Just wondering.

No, I am not an LGBT activist. I am a proud Born Again Christian and a realist who has studied the Holy Bible and who is tired of seeing ignorant, bigoted people continue to marginalize the LGBT community who work, who pay their taxes, who go to church to worship, who have or adopt children to add to their family, and who proudly serve in the military, always placing themselves in harm's way, so that you and I can have our freedom. They deserve far better than what they are receiving from those who are bigoted against them thus, after prayerful consideration I have decided to take up their cause.

whatever.

 

[StanJ]

No, I am not an LGBT activist. I am a proud Born Again Christian and a realist who has studied the Holy Bible and who is tired of seeing ignorant, bigoted people continue to marginalize the LGBT community who work, who pay their taxes, who go to church to worship, who have or adopt children to add to their family, and who proudly serve in the military, always placing themselves in harm's way, so that you and I can have our freedom. They deserve far better than what they are receiving from those who are bigoted against them thus, after prayerful consideration I have decided to take up their cause.

Pride comes before a fall LM, and no real Christian should defend a lifestyle that is spoken against in the Bible. I don't want any group of people to be marginalized, and in the context of a democracy, those committed to the LGBT lifestyle should not be. However this forum does NOT represent a democracy, it represents the Christian belief system, which cannot accept their sin or lifestyle within the BOC and it's rule. As you apparently do, you are pitted against the Bible and the BOC. I don't have much hope for your continued participation or success on this forum unless you're a masochist.

 

[LightMessenger]

Pride comes before a fall LM, and no real Christian should defend a lifestyle that is spoken against in the Bible. I don't want any group of people to be marginalized, and in the context of a democracy, those committed to the LGBT lifestyle should not be. However this forum does NOT represent a democracy, it represents the Christian belief system, which cannot accept their sin or lifestyle within the BOC and it's rule. As you apparently do, you are pitted against the Bible and the BOC. I don't have much hope for your continued participation or success on this forum unless you're a masochist.

Masochist? With you and others who obviously don't have an open mind and heart to better understanding being the sadists no doubt.

What is spoken about in the Holy Bible that some misinformed people perceive to be passages against Gay and Lesbian people is not actually that. There are a number of religious scholars who have spoken to that point. However, since a majority of preachers unfortunately continue to discriminate against the LGBT community you may not always find the information that you and others need to learn about on their websites. Fortunately, there are many churches both here in America and worldwide that do spell it out for those who are still confused about this issue and simply wish to continue discriminating against LGBT people using inappropriate Scriptures.

This is an excellent Christian website with a great resource of information that explains what those Scriptures most often used against Gays and Lesbians (many of whom are also Christian, btw) are actually all about and what they are speaking to. If you want to know about specific Scriptures then look on the left hand panel of the site and more than likely you will find what that Scripture means and was actually talking about.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/

"Giving voice to conservative Bible believing gay evangelicals, we are a joyful global fellowship of born again gay and straight Christians. As authentic Bible-believers we stand against the tide of emergent church and universalist liberalism by teaching the pure truth of God's inerrant word, rightly divided, 2 Timothy 2:15."

 

[ATP]

What is spoken about in the Holy Bible that some misinformed people perceive to be passages against Gay and Lesbian people is not actually that.

Homosexuality is against God and needs to be repented of. God made man and woman for specific purposes.

 

[StanJ]

Masochist? With you and others who obviously don't have an open mind and heart to better understanding being the sadists no doubt.

What is spoken about in the Holy Bible that some misinformed people perceive to be passages against Gay and Lesbian people is not actually that. There are a number of religious scholars who have spoken to that point. However, since a majority of preachers unfortunately continue to discriminate against the LGBT community you may not always find the information that you and others need to learn about on their websites. Fortunately, there are many churches both here in America and worldwide that do spell it out for those who are still confused about this issue and simply wish to continue discriminating against LGBT people using inappropriate Scriptures.

This is an excellent Christian website with a great resource of information that explains what those Scriptures most often used against Gays and Lesbians (many of whom are also Christian, btw) are actually all about and what they are speaking to. If you want to know about specific Scriptures then look on the left hand panel of the site and more than likely you will find what that Scripture means and was actually talking about.

It has nothing to do with having an open mind, it has to do with what the word of God states. Nobody here is against people, just the sin that tries to permeate the church by forcing others to condone and accept it in their lifestyles. That is NOT being a sadist, it is being an obedient Christian. You insist the Bible doesn't say a thing about homosexuality yet when you are presented with refutation you ignore those posts and continue on in this vain. Quoting a biased website does nothing to add credibility to your POV.

1 Tim 1:9-11
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

The Greek word used here is ἀρσενοκοίτης (arsenokoitēs) and connotes; a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity, a sodomite, pedarest.

The same Greek word is used in 1 Cor 6:9;
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals.

Now you either accept what God's word says and change your opinion, or you don't, and find yourself opposed to God and His word. The choice is yours, but it IS definitely your choice, just as practising homosexuality is the choice of those that do.

 

[LightMessenger]

It has nothing to do with having an open mind, it has to do with what the word of God states. Nobody here is against people, just the sin that tries to permeate the church by forcing others to condone and accept it in their lifestyles. That is NOT being a sadist, it is being an obedient Christian. You insist the Bible doesn't say a thing about homosexuality yet when you are presented with refutation you ignore those posts and continue on in this vain. Quoting a biased website does nothing to add credibility to your POV.

1 Tim 1:9-11
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

The Greek word used here is ἀρσενοκοίτης (arsenokoitēs) and connotes; a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity, a sodomite, pedarest.

The same Greek word is used in 1 Cor 6:9;
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals.

Now you either accept what God's word says and change your opinion, or you don't, and find yourself opposed to God and His word. The choice is yours, but it IS definitely your choice, just as practising homosexuality is the choice of those that do.

I beg your pardon? To practice what is innate in a person is not a "choice" for your information. That is an egregious usage of the word. It is no more a choice than a straight man going to a straight woman. Of course even Heterosexual men and women can make a choice to go homosexual from time to time if they so desire but I think their innate feelings would make them abstain most times. The same for homosexuals. They are no more interested in the opposite sex just because you and others want for them to be. If you are not part of them you do not know how they feel. I am supportive of the cause to bring Equality to a disenfranchised people who have suffered greatly ever since the Christian Inquisition under people with opinions much like yours.

Again, God makes no mention of homosexuality being sinful to those who are already predisposed to that sexual orientation. It is only speaking to Heterosexual men and women who are not born homosexual who would leave their "natural" desire to go the Gay way. Please get that right next time. You need to read the following since you mention "arsenokoitēs".


Define Arsenokoites
This word DID NOT refer
to homosexuals
in ancient usage
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Define-Arsenokoites.html

"The word arsenokoites in 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10 has been assumed to mean “homosexual.”

"However the word does not mean “homosexual,” and its range of meaning includes one who anally penetrates another (female or male), a rapist, a murderer or an extortionist."

"Ann Nyland, an Australian scholar whose research field is Greek Biblical lexicography based on the papyri and inscriptions, holds a Ph.D. in New Testament lexicography, graduate degree (double major) in Classical Greek language, Honors Degree in the Ionic dialect of Greek."

Therefore, we have expert people, professors, of which Dr. Nyland is one disputing that the word "arsenokoites" is making reference to one being homosexual. Please read the entire page for a better understanding of the word. Many other scholarly professors weigh in as well on this issue. Thank you.

It has nothing to do with having an open mind, it has to do with what the word of God states. Nobody here is against people, just the sin that tries to permeate the church by forcing others to condone and accept it in their lifestyles. That is NOT being a sadist, it is being an obedient Christian. You insist the Bible doesn't say a thing about homosexuality yet when you are presented with refutation you ignore those posts and continue on in this vain. Quoting a biased website does nothing to add credibility to your POV.

1 Tim 1:9-11
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

The Greek word used here is ἀρσενοκοίτης (arsenokoitēs) and connotes; a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity, a sodomite, pedarest.

The same Greek word is used in 1 Cor 6:9;
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals.

Now you either accept what God's word says and change your opinion, or you don't, and find yourself opposed to God and His word. The choice is yours, but it IS definitely your choice, just as practising homosexuality is the choice of those that do.

Excuse me but I am not ignoring those posts that you say present refutation on the subject matter. I have however, presented a most informative religious website that happens to contain replete information from Biblical scholars (who are not biased, for your information) who highly dispute what you and others are saying. I know you don't want to hear that as it squashes your acquired belief that homosexuality is something wrong. Only it isn't. It is a normal part of life as many physicans and medical associations have informed us, coupled by the expert writings of those scholars who speak directly to the fact that those Scriptures you and others use to crucify Gays and Lesbians are inappropriate and do not speak to the condemnation of homosexuality no matter how it may sound to you and to others. They should know they are the Biblical Experts!