Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

[Skovand1075]

Instead of a single yes or no answer I would rather showcase a handful of verses and what they and don’t say.

I’ll one right now because I’m a. It busy.

So one of the most common arguments against homosexuality comes from people using the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in genesis 19.

Genesis 19 NASB - The Doom of Sodom - Now the two angels - Bible Gateway


But what’s interesting is that up to this point you never see homosexuality mentioned, and in this chapter you never see it brought up. What’s brought up as being sinful is this.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
New American Standard Bible
49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, plenty of food, and carefree ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. 50 So they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.

They were a very self centered village that had a elitist class. They were not hospitable. Instead of welcoming the new people they instead wanted to sexually assault them.

it’s also good to remember that Yahweh was already going to destroy them before the events of 19 came up. It’s their general mentality and treatment of krhers as to why they are destroyed. It’s not connected to gay men at all.

 

[JohnPaul]

But you are saying go and Sin some more ? in fact.

A red neck ?
Bigotry ?
KKK ?
Homophobic ?
All 4 have nothing to do with a Christians.

Homophobic is a word that has changed 180 deg, that being a work of the Devil in fact ! it's changed the pole positions, so now such is pointing to all and anyone who does not embrace such nonsense !
So if one does not embrace such you are homophobic how retarded can one get or depraved to peddle such a position, surely the work of Socialist grubs and they think that they got away with it ?
The trick of bastardising the word Homophobic. In the majority Such is not a fear of such, it's truly a position of morality and virtue and that's something anyone who supports Gays does not truly possess.
As in regards to such the grub will try and add the lowest denominator into the fray, so as to justify their angle, dribble like claiming red necks and rubbish like KKK ! are out right fantasy's ! or phobia related delusions or just playing such cards like a spastic with no true regard because they themselves are truly the bigot's in fact. Such as they do not listen at all, because they hate to be exposed.

Thank you Reggie.

 

[JohnPaul]

Your sexual orientation does not determine whether you are a good "person" or not. Many homosexual people are faithful to their partners and just want to live their lives free from judgment. Not all are raving gays who march under rainbow flags, gyrating in drag gear. But if they wish to become "Christians", they have some tough decisions to make. You can be one or the other.....but not both.

We see that many great humanitarians are atheists....so does that make them acceptable to God?
God never said he was going to save "good people"....he will save obedient ones...those who put God's will before their own. He has no time for those who want to do their own thing, following their own interests....that is the very reason why we are in this mess in the first place.....the issues in Eden were all about obedience. Its all about doing as we are told by the one who Created us....the one who has the right to tell us how to live.
He will not force us to do anything, but allows us to make our own choices concerning our eternal destiny.

I can't believe I'm reading this from you Aunty Jane, very disheartening.

 

[Skovand1075]

I can't believe I'm reading this from you Aunty Jane, very disheartening.

what part are you finding disheartening?

 

[JohnPaul]

what part are you finding disheartening?

Anything that stands up for homosexuality and defends it.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

But you are saying go and Sin some more ? in fact.

A red neck ?
Bigotry ?
KKK ?
Homophobic ?
All 4 have nothing to do with a Christians.

Homophobic is a word that has changed 180 deg, that being a work of the Devil in fact ! it's changed the pole positions, so now such is pointing to all and anyone who does not embrace such nonsense !
So if one does not embrace such you are homophobic how retarded can one get or depraved to peddle such a position, surely the work of Socialist grubs and they think that they got away with it ?
The trick of bastardising the word Homophobic. In the majority Such is not a fear of such, it's truly a position of morality and virtue and that's something anyone who supports Gays does not truly possess.
As in regards to such the grub will try and add the lowest denominator into the fray, so as to justify their angle, dribble like claiming red necks and rubbish like KKK ! are out right fantasy's ! or phobia related delusions or just playing such cards like a spastic with no true regard because they themselves are truly the bigot's in fact. Such as they do not listen at all, because they hate to be exposed.

Sin is sin and ALL SIN SEPERATES FROM GOD!
Therefore if you have zero relationship with him ,you are none of his as the word says.

There are ppl all over the USA that think blacks are bad ppl, that homosexuals will try to rape you, there are those that believe society should build camps for other ethnicities if they are not white or do even worse.

Ever seen pictures of Emmet Till ?
Remember the internment camps during WW2 here in the U. S. ? These are facts to be found.

No if a person holds the position of any words I posted they HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN THEM. Jesus himself showed us how to treat all ppl, not just the ones we think are acceptable. We will give account also for these.

Ppl are hurting, seeking, damaged, sinful,and are all filthy until they meet the Master. Then they are changed and desire a close relationship with God and never to be sin stained again. We must meet ppl where they are to show them how to get to God ,he will do the transforming through cleansing by the word and the Spirit. He then says to sin no more !

We must show love or we are ineffectual at shining for God !

 

[Jim B]

Sin is sin and ALL SIN SEPERATES FROM GOD!
Therefore if you have zero relationship with him ,you are none of his as the word says.

There are ppl all over the USA that think blacks are bad ppl, that homosexuals will try to rape you, there are those that believe society should build camps for other ethnicities if they are not white or do even worse.

Ever seen pictures of Emmet Till ?
Remember the internment camps during WW2 here in the U. S. ? These are facts to be found.

No if a person holds the position of any words I posted they HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN THEM. Jesus himself showed us how to treat all ppl, not just the ones we think are acceptable. We will give account also for these.

Ppl are hurting, seeking, damaged, sinful,and are all filthy until they meet the Master. Then they are changed and desire a close relationship with God and never to be sin stained again. We must meet ppl where they are to show them how to get to God ,he will do the transforming through cleansing by the word and the Spirit. He then says to sin no more !

We must show love or we are ineffectual at shining for God !

Great post!

 

[Aunty Jane]

I can't believe I'm reading this from you Aunty Jane, very disheartening.

What I post is based on facts John, not blind emotion. You can love your fellow man without loving what they do. I hate what God hates.
But we are not their judges and in no way am I saying that I support their lifestyle. Please read my response again and see what I actually said...rather than what you think I said.....OK?

Anything that stands up for homosexuality and defends it.

I am not “standing up for homosexuality”....I said people had choices....God gives them those choices. We must too. If God hasn’t wiped them out, like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah, then he is allowing everyone to make their choices about their faith, their moral standards, and their reliance on an inept world under satan to correct the problems that he created, but that God is presently permitting for his own reasons. You know what “enough rope” means?

Please step back and see why God is letting these things define all people. if your emotions cloud your vision, you will never understand why our choices matter in these last days before Jehovah brings the curtain down on all of it permanently.

We are not under obligation to judge anyone but ourselves. Forcing people to do the right thing is not what God wants.....he wants willing obedience from the heart. Do you want to force people to do what they don’t want to do because you want power over them? There are many things that God hates about sinful human behaviour...homosexuality is only one of them.

We are all, at this juncture, being judged as either an obedient “sheep” or as disobedient “goats”. There are no fences to sit on in this...we are all judged as either one or the other and no excuses will be accepted, “just like the days of Noah”. How far did God allow that world to go before he finished it? All those who perished in the flood were warned and made their choices. (Matthew 24:37-39)

We can tell people what God’s standards are, but Jesus never forced people to do as he said....he just told them the truth and allowed his audience to make their own choices. You cannot make that choice for them, and God did not appoint us as judges of anyone. We can just keep out of all of that (be NO part of the world) and use our energy to make sure that we are “doing the will of God” to the best of our ability, ourselves.....(Matthew 7:21-23)

 

[Jim B]

Jesus said that we are to love our neighbor as ourself, then used the despised Samaritan as the example of how we should behave.

I will continue to love the LGBTQs that I know. I will continue to live my life as a Christian before/among them. It is up to God to judge them, not me.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Instead of a single yes or no answer I would rather showcase a handful of verses and what they and don’t say.

I’ll one right now because I’m a. It busy.

So one of the most common arguments against homosexuality comes from people using the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in genesis 19.

Genesis 19 NASB - The Doom of Sodom - Now the two angels - Bible Gateway


But what’s interesting is that up to this point you never see homosexuality mentioned, and in this chapter you never see it brought up. What’s brought up as being sinful is this.

What is interesting about the account of Sodom and Gomorrah is that this took place before the nation of Israel received their law. Moses wrote about the history of man leading to the nation founded on Abraham’s descendants who would produce God’s Messiah.

We remember also the fact that Lot and his two daughters escaped the destruction but his wife disobediently looked back and was instantly killed. Alone in the mountains and keenly aware that there was no one to carry on the family line, these two previously betrothed girls got their father drunk and had intercourse with him so that progeny would continue their father’s lineage. Do we see God condemning their actions, even though they were guilty of incest? No! Because there was as yet no law against it....and their intentions were not wicked, but noble.

So the case of Sodom and Gomorrah was a little different to the time when the nation was brought out of Egypt and accepted God’s terms for his covenant with them.

Their behaviour was not the fact that they lacked hospitality because the Jews themselves lacked hospitality when the Christians went to their towns and villages to preach to them.

Matthew 10:11-15....
“Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. 12 When you enter the house, greet the household. 13 If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. 14 Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.”

Do you see the mention of Sodom and Gomorrah there? Why will those cities not be as culpable as those Jews who withheld their hospitality from Jesus’ disciples? The twin cities were overrun with men who were inflamed with deviant sexual desire, to the point where any new comer was a prime target for their sexual depravity. Why did Lot offer them his daughters? Because he knew that they did not want women....they wanted sex with God’s angels who had materialised as males.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
New American Standard Bible
49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, plenty of food, and carefree ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. 50 So they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.

They were a very self centered village that had a elitist class. They were not hospitable. Instead of welcoming the new people they instead wanted to sexually assault them.

The “abominations” before God, were their sexual deviancy.....not a very hospitable way to greet visitors to your city, is it? But unlike the other judgments of God recorded in the scriptures, Sodom and Gomorrah were not warned of their end. Judged to be incorrigible, both were simply wiped off the map.

it’s also good to remember that Yahweh was already going to destroy them before the events of 19 came up. It’s their general mentality and treatment of krhers as to why they are destroyed. It’s not connected to gay men at all.

I see the connection quite clearly actually....male homosexuality is especially repulsive to God because the seminal fluid is the transmitter of life, and it has only one purpose....to join with a female egg to produce offspring.....this is why homosexual sex is so abhorrent to God....the receptacle for the sacred seed of life is a sewerage outlet. This is the abomination.

 

[Jim B]

What is interesting about the account of Sodom and Gomorrah is that this took place before the nation of Israel received their law. Moses wrote about the history of man leading to the nation founded on Abraham’s descendants who would produce God’s Messiah.

We remember also the fact that Lot and his two daughters escaped the destruction because his wife disobediently looked back and was instantly killed. Alone in the mountains and keenly aware that there was no one to carry on the family line, these two previously betrothed girls got their father drunk and had intercourse with him so that progeny would continue their father’s lineage. Do we see God condemning their actions, even though they were guilty of incest? No! Because there was as yet no law against it....and their intentions were not wicked, but noble.

So the case of Sodom and Gomorrah was a little different to the time when the nation was brought out of Egypt and accepted God’s terms for his covenant with them.

Their behaviour was not the fact that they lacked hospitality because the Jews themselves lacked hospitality when the Christians went to their towns and villages to preach to them.

Matthew 10:11-15....
“Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. 12 When you enter the house, greet the household. 13 If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. 14 Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.”

Do you see the mention of Sodom and Gomorrah there? Why will those cities not be as culpable as those Jews who withheld their hospitality from Jesus’ disciples? The twin cities were overrun with men who were inflamed with deviant sexual desire, to the point where any new comer was a prime target for their sexual depravity. Why did Lot offer them his daughters? Because he knew that they did not want women....they wanted sex with God’s angels who had materialised as males.


The “abominations” before God, were their sexual deviancy.....not a very hospitable way to greet visitors to your city, is it? But unlike the other judgments of God recorded in the scriptures, Sodom and Gomorrah were not warned of their end. Judged to be incorrigible, both were simply wiped off the map.


I see the connection quite clearly actually....male homosexuality is especially repulsive to God because the seminal fluid is the transmitter of life, and it has only one purpose....to join with a female egg to produce offspring.....this is why homosexual sex is so abhorrent to God....the receptacle for the sacred seed of life is a sewerage outlet. This is the abomination.

So every ejaculation is meant to produce children? How come that doesn't occur in the real world?

Also, why do you reject the command, expressed in both Testaments, to "love your neighbor as yourself"?

 

[Aunty Jane]

So every ejaculation is meant to produce children? How come that doesn't occur in the real world?

Is that what I said? What is the primary purpose of sperm? It’s about respect for the sacredness of life, meant only to be actioned in a scriptural marriage arrangement. All sex outside of that arrangement is against God’s law.
You can “love” (agape) the sinner without loving what they do. Agape is love that one can offer to even an enemy....it basically means not hating them for any reason even if you hate their practices.

Our prime objective is not to support what God considers an “abomination” but to offer these ones an opportunity to take advantage of Christ’s sacrifice by sacrificing their own will to God’s. Yes, it’s a big ask.....but if God provides the will...there is a way.

Also, why do you reject the command, expressed in both Testaments, to "love your neighbor as yourself"?

How am I rejecting the command to ‘love my neighbor’? I will love them enough to tell them the good news that Jesus taught us to preach and if they want to know how they can personally benefit from Christ’s sacrifice, then some sacrifices on their own part will be necessary. It is up to them if they wish to make those sacrifices. No practicing homosexual can be a Christian because these acts are what break God’s law....not homosexuality itself. One cannot just turn off their sexual orientation, but they can adjust their actions and try to steer clear of temptation......like a diabetic might avoid the candy store.

 

[Skovand1075]

What is interesting about the account of Sodom and Gomorrah is that this took place before the nation of Israel received their law. Moses wrote about the history of man leading to the nation founded on Abraham’s descendants who would produce God’s Messiah.

We remember also the fact that Lot and his two daughters escaped the destruction but his wife disobediently looked back and was instantly killed. Alone in the mountains and keenly aware that there was no one to carry on the family line, these two previously betrothed girls got their father drunk and had intercourse with him so that progeny would continue their father’s lineage. Do we see God condemning their actions, even though they were guilty of incest? No! Because there was as yet no law against it....and their intentions were not wicked, but noble.

So the case of Sodom and Gomorrah was a little different to the time when the nation was brought out of Egypt and accepted God’s terms for his covenant with them.

Their behaviour was not the fact that they lacked hospitality because the Jews themselves lacked hospitality when the Christians went to their towns and villages to preach to them.

Matthew 10:11-15....
“Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. 12 When you enter the house, greet the household. 13 If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. 14 Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city.”

Do you see the mention of Sodom and Gomorrah there? Why will those cities not be as culpable as those Jews who withheld their hospitality from Jesus’ disciples? The twin cities were overrun with men who were inflamed with deviant sexual desire, to the point where any new comer was a prime target for their sexual depravity. Why did Lot offer them his daughters? Because he knew that they did not want women....they wanted sex with God’s angels who had materialised as males.


The “abominations” before God, were their sexual deviancy.....not a very hospitable way to greet visitors to your city, is it? But unlike the other judgments of God recorded in the scriptures, Sodom and Gomorrah were not warned of their end. Judged to be incorrigible, both were simply wiped off the map.


I see the connection quite clearly actually....male homosexuality is especially repulsive to God because the seminal fluid is the transmitter of life, and it has only one purpose....to join with a female egg to produce offspring.....this is why homosexual sex is so abhorrent to God....the receptacle for the sacred seed of life is a sewerage outlet. This is the abomination.

Yet nothing there says that. You’re just inferring it all. The abominations are all the sins they were committing. Nothing to do with isolating homosexuality. Nothing in the entire Bible ever mentions Sodom and homosexuality. Nothing in the entire tankh ever mentions lesbians. Just gay men. There is no verse saying lesbians are in sin in the tankh. For thousands of years nothing was said on it.

I showed Ezekiel 16 for a reason. It mentions that they were gluttonous, did not care for the poor and so on.

The word abomination there is not used for homosexuality, but for sin. All kinds of sins. Used over 70 times.
Which is a great place to start the next clobber verse.

so just to be clear. Not once in the story of Sodom is homosexuality brought up.

You also brought up some beliefs about the importance of sperm. Which is a bit amusing but I’ll circle back around to all of that later.

 

[Skovand1075]

Here is the second most commonly used clobber verse.


Leviticus 20:13
New American Standard Bible
13 If there is a man who sleeps with a male as those who sleep with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they must be put to death. They have brought their own deaths upon themselves.

For many, all they know about this verse is (man with man means abomination ). But is that what’s actually said?

so let’s highlight some things.
1. Why does it say if a man sleeps with a male? Why translate it as two different words? It’s because it’s two different words.

This is the sentence in Hebrew.
Leviticus 20:13 Interlinear: And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them.

First of all the only person a man can lay with is his wife. Man can also, and is also, translated as husband several times. The woman he sleeps with would be his wife. The verse is reading, “ A husband who sleeps with a young man like he sleeps with his wife, they shall be killed “.

In Leviticus 18, with the wording, leaving out older male as husband seems intentional leaving the many scholars to believe the verse in Leviticus is talking about pedophiles. Unfortunately, there is no protection for young women really from scripture but the Talmud make it’s clear, despite their standard being gross to us, there was in fact protection for women.

So there comes down to two arguments and which one best reflects Yahweh.

one is that god said a husband should not sleep with another man committing adultery and that a man should not sleep with little boys. If not, there there is nothing strictly prohibiting pediohila at all, but grown men from sleeping with one another.

i personally believe the interpretation that best reflects God is the one that is calling adultery and pedophilia a sin.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Sin is sin and ALL SIN SEPERATES FROM GOD!
Therefore if you have zero relationship with him ,you are none of his as the word says.

There are ppl all over the USA that think blacks are bad ppl, that homosexuals will try to rape you, there are those that believe society should build camps for other ethnicities if they are not white or do even worse.

Ever seen pictures of Emmet Till ?
Remember the internment camps during WW2 here in the U. S. ? These are facts to be found.

No if a person holds the position of any words I posted they HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN THEM. Jesus himself showed us how to treat all ppl, not just the ones we think are acceptable. We will give account also for these.

Ppl are hurting, seeking, damaged, sinful,and are all filthy until they meet the Master. Then they are changed and desire a close relationship with God and never to be sin stained again. We must meet ppl where they are to show them how to get to God ,he will do the transforming through cleansing by the word and the Spirit. He then says to sin no more !

We must show love or we are ineffectual at shining for God !

How old are you 5yo ?
People who think blacks are bad people ? come on ! that's total nonsense ! same with that poofters will rape you, is just stupid as ! or the Camps for such nonsense. All of what you just said is insanity.
Who has put such rubbish into your head ? extreme prejudice on your part to try and make such a totally short sighted narrow minded stupid claim.
I am sure you will find some who are as you say but would such represent even 1% ? so come on, be realistic.

Australia had internment camps as well, with very good reason in fact, as many of the Italians could not be trusted as they were major lovers of Italy and the Mafia idiocy that they hold in high regard in fact, such born in Italy were such idiots even into the 1990's over here and such lack of regard for Australia and Australian values totally, some however were fine. but the reasons were valid to the safety of our public, not to mention many of the Germans could not be trusted because they loved Hitler and or Germany more so than Australia in fact. not all but the ones born in Germany could be a real problem, they could not be trusted in fact, so over all the Australian Government did the correct thing and anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant and stupid.

My forefathers side who came to Australia came from The Hanover Empire but over a 100 years before Hitler came about, but they came here to become Australians and had nothing to do with the old country. so such as they were not interned, but such tell the story's of such as it was back in the days, that were passed on to me from a young age even by uncles and old relations' what was what in fact and not the childish halfwit BS that the School system like to play silly buggers with and nowadays, with all one sided nonsense and coming from stupid angles to pander to Socialist Marxist and all such dribble. as all they are doing is reading the line instructed to them to indoctrination ? not an education ! Big difference !

When I went to school I remember the teacher said on the subject that Hitler was a very bad man ? then went on with indoctrinating us ? It was not an education at all !
So most people have no real idea of the subject at all in depth, just like it is with all the baking up the wrong tree with regards to internment camps and issues with Blacks and Gays issues being bastardised, for some foolish one track deceptions being played out.
Not to mention that if one challenges the Line that is played out nowadays by Socialist etc one is regarded as a KKK or Racist or whatever label they can try to find, so as to undermine ones freedom of speech ! Because if we do have true freedom of speech, then the Socialist will be exposed for the cursed wretched cunning Devil's they truly are in fact.

The Devil's work to dupe you all, putting forward a half truth for playing the cards of a deception, but they hate to be exposed, they can not handle such. But if you try and expose a worthy Christian, such is like trying to expose Christ Jesus. because the more in depth one goes the truth is exposed, but they use deceptions and a bag of tricks, such as they used on Jesus !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Gays are even trying to be vicars, what a laugh..:)

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Creepy !

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yet nothing there says that. You’re just inferring it all. The abominations are all the sins they were committing. Nothing to do with isolating homosexuality. Nothing in the entire Bible ever mentions Sodom and homosexuality. Nothing in the entire tankh ever mentions lesbians. Just gay men. There is no verse saying lesbians are in sin in the tankh. For thousands of years nothing was said on it.

2 Peter 2:6-8,10...
"and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds)
"and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority."

At the end of the day, what I believe you are doing is nit picking......isn't God going to destroy the "ungodly", no matter what kind of 'ungodliness' they indulge in....homosexuality is just one of them. The condemnation is clearly outlined, and "perversion" is normally reserved for sexual depravity....of any sort.

In Leviticus 18, with the wording, leaving out older male as husband seems intentional leaving the many scholars to believe the verse in Leviticus is talking about pedophiles. Unfortunately, there is no protection for young women really from scripture but the Talmud make it’s clear, despite their standard being gross to us, there was in fact protection for women.

Are you yourself inferring something that is not written?

Leviticus 18:22..."You shall not sleep with a male as one sleeps with a female; it is an abomination."
It says exactly the same in the Tanakh.
How is pedophilia even implied? It means what it says...a male who sleeps with a male the same way he would sleep with a woman...that is an abomination. Who said anything about age?

So there comes down to two arguments and which one best reflects Yahweh.

one is that god said a husband should not sleep with another man committing adultery and that a man should not sleep with little boys. If not, there there is nothing strictly prohibiting pediohila at all, but grown men from sleeping with one another.

Sexual sin is sexual sin.....anything outside of God's marriage arrangement, (a committed marriage of a man and a woman) is sexual sin...all will receive the same punishment.

i personally believe the interpretation that best reflects God is the one that is calling adultery and pedophilia a sin.

And what makes you think I disagree with that?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

How old are you 5yo ?
People who think blacks are bad people ? come on ! that's total nonsense ! same with that poofters will rape you, is just stupid as ! or the Camps for such nonsense. All of what you just said is insanity.
Who has put such rubbish into your head ? extreme prejudice on your part to try and make such a totally short sighted narrow minded stupid claim.
I am sure you will find some who are as you say but would such represent even 1% ? so come on, be realistic.

Australia had internment camps as well, with very good reason in fact, as many of the Italians could not be trusted as they were major lovers of Italy and the Mafia idiocy that they hold in high regard in fact, such born in Italy were such idiots even into the 1990's over here and such lack of regard for Australia and Australian values totally, some however were fine. but the reasons were valid to the safety of our public, not to mention many of the Germans could not be trusted because they loved Hitler and or Germany more so than Australia in fact. not all but the ones born in Germany could be a real problem, they could not be trusted in fact, so over all the Australian Government did the correct thing and anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant and stupid.

My forefathers side who came to Australia came from The Hanover Empire but over a 100 years before Hitler came about, but they came here to become Australians and had nothing to do with the old country. so such as they were not interned, but such tell the story's of such as it was back in the days, that were passed on to me from a young age even by uncles and old relations' what was what in fact and not the childish halfwit BS that the School system like to play silly buggers with and nowadays, with all one sided nonsense and coming from stupid angles to pander to Socialist Marxist and all such dribble. as all they are doing is reading the line instructed to them to indoctrination ? not an education ! Big difference !

When I went to school I remember the teacher said on the subject that Hitler was a very bad man ? then went on with indoctrinating us ? It was not an education at all !
So most people have no real idea of the subject at all in depth, just like it is with all the baking up the wrong tree with regards to internment camps and issues with Blacks and Gays issues being bastardised, for some foolish one track deceptions being played out.
Not to mention that if one challenges the Line that is played out nowadays by Socialist etc one is regarded as a KKK or Racist or whatever label they can try to find, so as to undermine ones freedom of speech ! Because if we do have true freedom of speech, then the Socialist will be exposed for the cursed wretched cunning Devil's they truly are in fact.

The Devil's work to dupe you all, putting forward a half truth for playing the cards of a deception, but they hate to be exposed, they can not handle such. But if you try and expose a worthy Christian, such is like trying to expose Christ Jesus. because the more in depth one goes the truth is exposed, but they use deceptions and a bag of tricks, such as they used on Jesus !

You obviously cannot comprehend what you read or else you are just a jerk.

No only can you NOT comprehend what others write but you are quick to spit out your idiotic nonsense

To the iggy box with your other friends that sorely lack being human !

Bye.

 

[Skovand1075]

2 Peter 2:6-8,10...
"and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds)
"and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority."

At the end of the day, what I believe you are doing is nit picking......isn't God going to destroy the "ungodly", no matter what kind of 'ungodliness' they indulge in....homosexuality is just one of them. The condemnation is clearly outlined, and "perversion" is normally reserved for sexual depravity....of any sort.


Are you yourself inferring something that is not written?

Leviticus 18:22..."You shall not sleep with a male as one sleeps with a female; it is an abomination."
It says exactly the same in the Tanakh.
How is pedophilia even implied? It means what it says...a male who sleeps with a male the same way he would sleep with a woman...that is an abomination. Who said anything about age?


Sexual sin is sexual sin.....anything outside of God's marriage arrangement, (a committed marriage of a man and a woman) is sexual sin...all will receive the same punishment.


And what makes you think I disagree with that?

You asked how is it implied. I mentioned how it is implied. I don’t see a reason to repeated it. I shared a link to the verse in Hebrew, and highlighted the fact it used two different words, and made sure to point out the cultural requirement of being married. What I did was show what it’s saying and can say in Hebrew, versus what it says in English. I mean i already said it.

 

[Skovand1075]

2 Peter 2:6-8,10...
"and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the perverted conduct of unscrupulous people 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds)
"and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority."

At the end of the day, what I believe you are doing is nit picking......isn't God going to destroy the "ungodly", no matter what kind of 'ungodliness' they indulge in....homosexuality is just one of them. The condemnation is clearly outlined, and "perversion" is normally reserved for sexual depravity....of any sort.


Are you yourself inferring something that is not written?

Leviticus 18:22..."You shall not sleep with a male as one sleeps with a female; it is an abomination."
It says exactly the same in the Tanakh.
How is pedophilia even implied? It means what it says...a male who sleeps with a male the same way he would sleep with a woman...that is an abomination. Who said anything about age?


Sexual sin is sexual sin.....anything outside of God's marriage arrangement, (a committed marriage of a man and a woman) is sexual sin...all will receive the same punishment.


And what makes you think I disagree with that?

well you can’t agree with my comment while disagreeing with my comment. My comment was when you present the two arguments there is either a case where Yahweh dislikes pedophiles and adulterous or where he dislikes gay men. But the verse can’t say both.