Hiroshima…the untold story.

[Wrangler]

Wow…..you actually think your country’s government are the “good guys”!?

Yes.

 

[Wrangler]

O MY GOODNESS!!! “No country can have nuclear weapons except us “good guys”

That's not what I said. America's allies have nukes. And a country who is not our enemy, Pakistan, got nukes a while ago.

how gullible are you?

“Collateral damage” and “friendly fire” were terms invented by murderers to excuse their trigger happiness.

You are the gullible one to not realize the world is ruled by the effective use of force.

Collateral damage has always been a sad part of the real world in which we live.

Then in God’s eyes you bear the same responsibility as the one who pulled the trigger or pressed the button…..

I'm TOTALLY OK with bearing responsibility as the ones who pulled the trigger or pressed the button for they do so on my behalf.

So God needs humans with their weapons of mass destruction to fight wars that have nothing whatever to do with him?

That's not what I said. Heaven helps those who helps themselves. See David v Goliath.

“Killing” without God’s sanction is “murder”.

There is no verse that says this. Obviously, we disagree. The Black Pastor who spoke at Trump's inauguration said the Bible is a profoundly political book. God set up the rules and we live by them. The prohibition is against murder not killing and nothing in Scripture states what you claim.

 

[Wrangler]

That sad nation you call home, that now has more homeless people than many third world countries, is not the “great nation” you have been led to believe it is. You cannot make a nation “great again” if it was never great in the first place….how does one define “greatness”?…in military superiority?

The jealousy is palpable. One of the biggest problems in our country is that we are so great that we attract more migrants than any other country on Earth.

We have our problems but our greatness is from the start; the miracle of overthrowing the superpower of the day and founding our nation on the most noble set of principles: individual liberty, limited government and equal rights among men. People do not realize the revolution the Americans sparked around the world from monarchies to republics. Before us, almost no one had political freedom. We boldly proclaim our rights come from our Creator not government. Greatness before your eyes.

 

[Wrangler]

I already have justified it using Scripture. The commandment prohibits murder, not killing.

Here is more Scriptural justification for using violence.
Ex 15:3
The LORD is a warrior;
Yahweh[a] is his name!

We are made in the image of the LORD, warriors are we, by divine design. It is how we were able to fulfill God's will:
Genesis 1:26-27
26 Then God said, “Let us make man[a] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him

NOTE: We were allowed to have dominion by God's will but we achieved this through our warrior nature, subduing Creation for our needs. The JW take is that we achieved dominion without effort on our part, which is a theology that goes against the facts of history.

 

[TheHC]

The world needs to know the truth about all wars. There is not a single war fought in the Christian era that has God’s approval…..let alone using such evil weaponry that is designed purely for the mass destruction of human life and property. Innocent people are not “collateral damage”…they are victims of criminal activity, (cold blooded murder) on both sides. No Christian has sanction from God to kill innocent women and children as part of a country’s military force. The world will do what the world wants to do, but Christians must be “no part” of it. (John 17:16; John 18:36)

When Jesus told us to be “no part of the world”….he meant us to be no part of its rulership or its political agendas….no part of its greedy commercialism, or it’s false worship…..because there is only one god and ruler of this world. (1 John 5:19) The devil controls all three.

Any who participate or approve of what evil humans are doing, will find no place with the “Prince of Peace”.

America is the only nation to have used nuclear weapons on human beings in the full knowledge of what this weapon would do to those upon whom it was used. It’s creation and implementation were satanic…pure evil, justified by propaganda. The images of that horror will be imprinted on the minds of all who see them for the rest of their lives In this world…..gratefully though, this world is soon to “pass away”….along with all who love what it is doing.

“Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16  because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17  Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.” (1 John 2:15-17)

Another supporting Scripture….
James 4:4

A question a person should ask, is…
How does “friendship with the world” - or even just wanting it - make a person an ‘adulteress’?!

This would constitute a serious position to be in, in the eyes of God!

 

[doctrox]

Where is that law? It's an observation of reality. The State represents the people therein.

Rather, "The State" is soulless.

Truth and justice, which stand at the very center of God's Law and the reaffirmation through Christ Jesus, is today warped and perverted by the self-proclaimed all-mighty State into any action or policy that may be considered to serve the interest of the State and "its people," however subversive it may be of Divine truth and justice. The love, kindness, mercy, tenderness, and humility mandated by the Word in order to be a true ordained government of God, are denounced by the State as the decadent virtues of the inferior and deluded, and a sign of weakness unworthy of a super-State that is destined to dominate the future through its "new world order."
Instead of following Divine righteousness, the all-mighty State has designed and redesigned a system called "morality" in which the State becomes the master of the universe for those who have lost their way in the confusion. It has not only fallen short of, but has gone beyond, its God ordained duties, as "a ruler," of punishing evil and praising those that do well.

If it seems advantageous, then "Thou shalt serve other gods," "Thou shalt murder", "Thou shalt steal", "Thou shalt covet", and "Thou shalt bear false witness" now serves the purpose of the State if it does not interfere with the agenda of the State. So runs the evolutionary "moral code" of "moral law" given to the world not from the heights of Sinai, but from the disobedient and philosophical heights of men's vain imaginations; not to the accompaniment of awesome thunder and lightning, but to that of the tank and the "smart bomb"; not from the mouth of God, but from the torpedo, the mouth of the cannon and the barrel of the gun.

The all-assuming, all-mighty State has attempted to tear down God's Law which the true servants of the Christ have been laboriously establishing, by faith, throughout the ages. All attempts will fail!!

Every method of sadistic violence has been made legitimate and acclaimed as desirable by the autocratic power-State if it subserves the end of concentrating power in the leaders of the State and eradication of every focus of difference or opposition to it. Every lie is justified, every promise forsworn, every solemn treaty and covenant torn up, all to serve what is declared to be the interests of the man or men heading the State, and "the people."

Every form of liberty for which the servants of God have struggled since the days of the exodus from Egypt are again denied to them. The physical freedom is persuaded to yield to the physical or economic device of men. His freedom of thought, speech and spirit yields to ruthless propaganda or fear of economic ruin, prison or the bloody purge. But, only the "human personality" is deliberately enslaved to the soulless State. It cannot and will not happen to the remnant of God.

The misery and suffering which have been heaped on untold millions of people are the direct and inevitable outcome of all these violations of God's Law. To perpetuate the evil, "religion" is used as the opiate of the people, whereas Truth is not welcome. The repudiation of truth has been the murderer of countless peoples.

When Divine righteousness is no longer important to a nation, and is replaced with "morals and dogma," the misuse of power by its rulers become a terrible danger. The evolution of State morality now becomes the compass for the wayward ship of State. The State is now a law unto itself, and is responsible unto no one but itself. That is morality. The State which so considers itself, feels free to assume control of the whole life of a people. It does not hesitate to seize power regardless of means. Amenable to no law, since it is a law unto itself, it employs force, deceit, slander and even murder to achieve its goals. Usurping the sovereignty of God, it now arrogates unto itself the prerogatives of God's people; indeed, it dismisses God Himself and then takes complete control on the assumption that there is no God, or that if there is, they are equal to God. In the alleged or assumed absence of, or partnership with God, the State becomes a god in the eyes of "its people"!

The self-proclaimed all-mighty and secularist State, now "sovereign" in the minds of "the clergy" and in the minds of "their sheep," creates a self-fulfilling system of "schools" in which the State determines what is to be taught and what is not to be taught; what the people can and cannot eat; what the people can use for healing and what they cannot use; what the scientific researchers are to find and not find; and what the preachers are to preach and not preach. Taught by the State-approved seminaries to incorporate under the State, the pulpit now must preach what the State dictates.

But, however, the State and the men who make up the State are ultimately answerable to God. That is why He always reserves a remnant who are kept free to make articulate the voice of God and His Truth. No pulpit or Church can be a vessel of truth if it is compelled to mouth over prefabricated platitudes authored by the very men who need most to hear some voice other than their own. Nothing can be more important to freely, courageously, and honestly make known to a people the errors of their ways and their sins from which they must repent.

A state or nation which attempts to usurp the prerogatives of God and His remnant, depriving itself of an unbiased diagnosis of ills (and not knowing precisely what ails it), that state or nation cannot expect to find its way back to health. It then comes under God's judgement and digs its own grave.

When the disobedient men of the secular State presume to be ordained by God, and thereby assume to be high priests to the disparagement of His Royal Priests (1 Peter 2:9) and Holy Temple (Ephesians 2:21), they will ultimately suffer the same consequences as "the strong" king Uzziah:

2 Chronicles 26:16-21, "But when he was strong, his heart was lifted up to his destruction: for he transgressed against the LORD his God, and went into the temple of the LORD to burn incense upon the altar of incense. And Azariah the priest went in after him, and with him fourscore priests of the LORD, that were valiant men: And they withstood Uzziah the king, and said unto him, It appertaineth not unto thee, Uzziah, to burn incense unto the LORD, but to the priests the sons of Aaron, that are consecrated to burn incense: go out of the sanctuary; for thou hast trespassed; neither shall it be for thine honour from the LORD God. Then Uzziah was wroth, and had a censer in his hand to burn incense: and while he was wroth with the priests, the leprosy even rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the LORD, from beside the incense altar. And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the LORD had smitten him. And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the LORD: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging the people of the land."

For a State to claim total jurisdiction, as the modern State does, is to claim to be as god, to be the total governor of man and the world. Instead of limited law and limited jurisdiction, the modern anti-christian State claims jurisdiction from cradle to grave, from womb to tomb, over welfare, education, worship, the family, business, and farming, capital and labor, and all things else. The modern State is a Moloch, demanding Moloch worship; it claims total jurisdiction over man and hence requires total sacifice.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The self-proclaimed all-mighty and secularist State, now "sovereign" in the minds of "the clergy" and in the minds of "their sheep," creates a self-fulfilling system of "schools" in which the State determines what is to be taught and what is not to be taught; what the people can and cannot eat; what the people can use for healing and what they cannot use; what the scientific researchers are to find and not find; and what the preachers are to preach and not preach. Taught by the State-approved seminaries to incorporate under the State, the pulpit now must preach what the State dictates.

This is so clear to those who have had their eyes opened…(who is running this show anyway? 1 John 5:19)…
but to those blinded, it seems like nonsense. They have no idea how manipulated they are by the MSM and clever marketing.
Control and nothing less, has been the agenda from the beginning of the takeover of educational facilities by the rich and powerful last century. To create a nation of slaves and masters…..yet the slaves have no idea what is being done to them in these educational facilities…..universities and medical schools particularly….all designed to single out the geniuses for their own purposes, and keeping the non-achievers in service jobs that they hate, but cannot leave...the worker bees in the hive.

Religion is also manipulated to support the state agenda….so much for being “no part of the world”.….

“The rich get rich and the poor get poorer”…..wasn’t that an old song….still true today…and even more so.

 

[lforrest]

If not for the atomic bombings that caused a quick surrender, I'm certain the following decades would be worse.

Estimated casualties from invading Japan was in the millions on the US side. Russia was already invading the island north of Japan. If the war dragged on it would have been a race to conquer territory between the US and Russia. A divided Japan would likely have resulted in a hot war with Russia over Japan. China would have joined in. All Korea would be communist.

 

[doctrox]

If not for the atomic bombings that caused a quick surrender, I'm certain the following decades would be worse.

There was no atom bomb; there was firebombing. And the surrender was a planned foregone conclusion.

In a manipulated "war," both sides answer to the same worldwide ruling elite ala the Mason motto: Ordo Ab Chao, translated to “Order from Chaos,” is also associated with another latin phrase, Lux In Tenebris, which translates to “Light from Darkness.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

If not for the atomic bombings that caused a quick surrender, I'm certain the following decades would be worse.

Estimated casualties from invading Japan was in the millions on the US side. Russia was already invading the island north of Japan. If the war dragged on it would have been a race to conquer territory between the US and Russia. A divided Japan would likely have resulted in a hot war with Russia over Japan. China would have joined in. All Korea would be communist.

I think that this kind of justification comes from a mind indoctrinated with man’s thoughts and actions, rather than relying on God to take care of his own business. Is God powerless to put a stop to human wickedness….or does he have it all under control? There is so much more going on behind the scenes and the lying propaganda.

If you take Paul’s words to heart, can you really say that in the big scheme of things, such a heinous act was actually a good thing…?…that the end justified the means…?

Rom 12:17-21…
”Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”

Are we at liberty to ignore Paul’s words there, or more importantly, Jesus’ words, when he said….
”You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you”.

Do we let go of man’s carnal thinking, and allow our Creator to take care of his own business?

Is God unaware of all that is taking place in this important object lesson that resulted from Adam’s sin? Is he anxiously waiting for humans to fight and kill each other with satanically inspired weapons devised from the intellect he gave them? Is “man’s inhumanity to man” permitted for a reason that escapes the patriotically indoctrinated….those who are rushing to the aid of their nation and sacrificing their lives for its defense?

Jesus told us that we are to be “NO part” of what the world does, because we are citizens of God’s kingdom, not man’s. (John 17:16; John 18:36) If we are Christians, we cannot be patriots, justifying what God condemns to gain the victory over perceived enemies. Can we hate our enemies and want to kill innocent people in wanton slaughter because we are convinced that it is our patriotic duty? Is that what Jesus taught?

Faith in God, to achieve his own ends with his permission of evil, means that we can “let go and let God“ carry out his own agenda, which apparently escapes those in Christendom who think that God needs evil men to conquer one another with our sanction and support…..No war carried out in the Christian era has had God’s sanction…..only the spiritual kind….and that can be fought even in a prison cell.

2 Cor 10:3-5….
”For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. 4  For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5  For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ”.

Obedience to Christ has to make us disobedient to men who want to use us as weapons of their warfare.
We are soldiers in a different warfare, and “the sword of the spirit” is the word of God. (Eph 6:10-17)

 

[Aunty Jane]

There was no atom bomb; there was firebombing. And the surrender was a planned foregone conclusion.

In a manipulated "war," both sides answer to the same worldwide ruling elite ala the Mason motto: Ordo Ab Chao, translated to “Order from Chaos,” is also associated with another latin phrase, Lux In Tenebris, which translates to “Light from Darkness.”

Are you old enough to remember an old song, well known in the Vietnam era by a singer named Donovan? It was called “The Universal Soldier” and it’s message was powerful….in previous wars patriotic sentiment was whipped up in propaganda campaigns and men were willing to lay down their lives in war as their patriotic duty….but Donovan’s song revealed the ghastly truth….that “the universal soldier” was really to blame for the wars he fought in.

Imagine being invited to a war, and nobody came…? Wars could not be fought without those soldiers, armed and indoctrinated with hate to kill their enemies. If they all laid down their weapons and said “we are not your killing machines whose lives are less important than your greedy political agendas”….what would have happened?

Those soldiers who volunteered to serve in foreign lands and who died….? Does an emotive military funeral hailing them as heroes, give them back to their families? Can it ever make up for the life they never got to live?

What of today’s soldiers? The drone technology they are developing is now more threatening than any military weapon they have invented so far….and AI is an unknown quantity at this point…..we are no doubt very close to “the end” when God steps in and allows these puny humans to taste his superior power….
we have almost reached that stage where “unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved”. (Matt 24:21-22)
Interesting times…..but we are spectators in this world, not involved either emotionally or physically in man’s violence and immoral ways.

 

[doctrox]

If you take Paul’s words to heart, can you really say that in the big scheme of things, such a heinous act was actually a good thing…?…that the end justified the means…?

BINGO.

Donovan’s song revealed the ghastly truth….that “the universal soldier” was really to blame for the wars he fought in.

Indeed. It is satanic to aborgate one's personal responsibility to another ala "I'm just doing my job."

The 'universal soldier' (written by Buffy Sainte-Marie) refers to individuals who agree to fight and, in doing so, allow wars to be waged.

we have almost reached that stage where “unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved”. (Matt 24:21-22)
Interesting times…..but we are spectators in this world, not involved either emotionally or physically in man’s violence and immoral ways.

It's an exciting time to be alive.

The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few.

 

[lforrest]

I think that this kind of justification comes from a mind indoctrinated with man’s thoughts and actions, rather than relying on God to take care of his own business. Is God powerless to put a stop to human wickedness….or does he have it all under control? There is so much more going on behind the scenes and the lying propaganda.

Look at how employing God's wisdom played out for Desmond Doss. He was one in a million, and he faced resistance from his own side of the war. Wars are generally waged by carnal men and they will never employ the wisdom of God. And those that do so half heartedly should not expect to receive divine protection. So in war when starting alone we must finish alone.

You're assuming WW2 wasn't part of God's plans. When God pulls back his hand a little you know the enemy will take a mile. Carnal men have no ability to resist spiritual influences.

Perhaps God wanted the Jews to return to Israel. Or maybe he wanted Spam to be invented... Who knows.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

To say that WW2 was part of God's Plans is Satanic !

Carnal and religious carnal dupes are on the same page !

Remember the Pople was Killed from within regarding dealing with Hitler in signing things, he must of refused something to sign and his Mob within killed him ?

So Games are played in regards mans works for Wars !
Never is God the creator of such deceptions and delusions that force people to go and kill others.
If Man had more of a handle on the workings of Satanic workings, we could nip all such in the bud before they got out of hand !

 

[Aunty Jane]

Look at how employing God's wisdom played out for Desmond Doss. He was one in a million, and he faced resistance from his own side of the war. Wars are generally waged by carnal men and they will never employ the wisdom of God. And those that do so half heartedly should not expect to receive divine protection. So in war when starting alone we must finish alone.

Why do you think he was alone in his version of war, as somehow “justified”? Only a person who was indoctrinated with political thinking could do so. Just because he did not carry an actual weapon, didn’t mean that he did not support the war effort. Medics patched up the wounded to go out and fight again….so he was complicit in that he supported the killing albeit without a carnal weapon…but with carnal thinking.

Jesus said to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD” and that Christians were to love their enemies and pray for them. Perhaps he stood out for all the wrong reasons…? (Matt 18:36; Matt 5:43-44)

You're assuming WW2 wasn't part of God's plans. When God pulls back his hand a little you know the enemy will take a mile. Carnal men have no ability to resist spiritual influences.

No warfare fought in the Christian Era has had God’s sanction…..you cannot “love your enemies” with a weapon of war….our weapons are spiritual….more powerful than any carnal weapon. The “sword of the spirit” is God’s word….and it has the power to change personalities and to overturn deeply entrenched beliefs. (2 Cor 10:3-5)

Perhaps God wanted the Jews to return to Israel. Or maybe he wanted Spam to be invented... Who knows.

God did not “plan” anything for free willed humans or angels….he responded to their choices and kept his purpose, which he stated in the beginning, on track. He never deviated from it, and when this object lesson is over, he will return the human race to what he intended from the beginning, (Isa 55:11) with precedents set and examples written to show us what to do…..and what not to do, as part of God’s “people”.
Prophesy is history written in advance, so we can know what is ahead….not that God causes these things but alerts us to them so that we can make wise choices as those forewarned.

What humans have done with the intellect God gave them, will determine their future…we all have the same choices and the same word of God to guide us….we determine how to implement our own choices. That is what God allows.

 

[Berean]

ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR