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[kcnalp]

Does God love those He burns in Hell "forever and ever"? Did God love those when He drowned everyone on Earth but 8 "making them an example"?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Does God love those He burns in Hell "forever and ever"? Did God love those when He drowned everyone on Earth but 8 "making them an example"?

The problem wasn't with God. In His love and kindness He has always offered mercy to those who put their faith in Him. If you don't want God's Judgment upon you don't go against His Will. If God didn't punish the wicked He would not be worth worshipping and submitting to, and certainly would not be someone to have faith in.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; (4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 2:20-23 Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (21) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. (22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the ekklesias shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[farouk]

The problem wasn't with God. In His love and kindness He has always offered mercy to those who put their faith in Him. If you don't want God's Judgment upon you don't go against His Will. If God didn't punish the wicked He would not be worth worshipping and submitting to, and certainly would not be someone to have faith in.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; (4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 2:20-23 Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (21) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. (22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the ekklesias shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

@Stumpmaster Repentance is indeed an important and wholesome doctrine. Romans 2, etc.

 

[kcnalp]

The problem wasn't with God. In His love and kindness He has always offered mercy to those who put their faith in Him. If you don't want God's Judgment upon you don't go against His Will. If God didn't punish the wicked He would not be worth worshipping and submitting to, and certainly would not be someone to have faith in.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; (4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 2:20-23 Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. (21) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. (22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. (23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the ekklesias shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So, you're saying God loves those who will burn in Hell forever and ever, and He loved all He drowned on Earth? What does He do to those He hates?
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

 

[Stumpmaster]

So, you're saying God loves those who will burn in Hell forever and ever, and He loved all He drowned on Earth? What does He do to those He hates?
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

So are you going to repent or take your chances? Best you meditate on these Scriptures, kcnalp.

Pro 3:11-12 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: (12) For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights.

Heb 12:3-11 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest you be wearied and faint in your minds. (4) You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. (5) And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: (6) For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives. (7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not? (8) But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. (9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? (10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. (11) Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Rev 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (21) To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (22) He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the ekklesias.

 

[marksman]

The two or three thing is in enacting church discipline, I think, just the same, the admonition is to assemble together, I don't recall seeing numbers or venues listed. I wish I could still eat donuts! Diabetic, you know. Apple Fritters are my favorites!

Just that we need to get together regularly with fellow believers.

Much love!

If you can't eat donuts you definitely have a cross to bear. I think they come second only to chocolate. In my bible, it says God so loved the world he invented chocolate.

 

[marksman]

Complete agreement!

One thing . . . there was a lady I knew at a home fellowship my wife and I attended for many years. We had a variety of music leaders during that time, including those who would lead us in those simple and repetitive choruses over and over and over until my mind was like mashed potatoes draining from my ears.

But I'd look at her face, and watch her sing, and I knew she was caught up in the worship of the Lord. I've never had reason to think otherwise. For her, that repetition worked.

In more recent years, I've come to appreciate some more of that, as I find that focusing my mind on a Scriptural truth, if only to say, He loves me, to focus on that helps me to focus my faith on God, and life springs from that.

The band may even intend to elevate the flesh, to appeal to the senses, to manipulate the emotions, but whether for good reason or bad, Christ is preached, or, for me, faith is increased.

But yes, I agree, it can become just another drug addiction, a deceiptful corruption within the flesh.

Much love!

I remember back in my renewal church days in the UK, where anyone could do anything in the meeting if so led. A lady started up a simple chorus "Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart. It was the first time we had sung it. An hour later we stopped singing it. The meeting ended up in high heaven.

 

[Stan B]

I wish I could still eat donuts! Diabetic, you know. Apple Fritters are my favorites!

I don't understand the problem. I have been diabetic for 20 years, and have never been restricted in any way as to what I eat or the amount I eat.

If you can't eat donuts, then you are significantly mismanaging your condition.

 

[marksman]

@marksman Sounds a bit like Acts 2.42... :)

Bingo! I have based my thinking on that very passage for one simple reason...IT WORKS!!

 

[marksman]

Wow! Did my opinion of YOU ever change. (And I had no idea you owned a church...)

My Bible says that HE will build HIS church. That is the one I am excited about.

 

[marksman]

I'm sorry if I got the wrong idea. It seemed that you were looking for people to relate their experiences to verify your suspicions that they are a cult.

Much love!

No worries as they say in Oz Land.

 

[marks]

If you can't eat donuts you definitely have a cross to bear. I think they come second only to chocolate. In my bible, it says God so loved the world he invented chocolate.

This is my current desert of choice:

 

[marks]

I remember back in my renewal church days in the UK, where anyone could do anything in the meeting if so led. A lady started up a simple chorus "Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus, Thankyou thankyou Jesus from my heart. It was the first time we had sung it. An hour later we stopped singing it. The meeting ended up in high heaven.

Let us offer up the sacrifices of thanksgiving!

Much love!

 

[marks]

No worries as they say in Oz Land.

:)

 

[marksman]

This is my current desert of choice:

Looks delicious. We don't have that here.

 

[kcnalp]

EVERY abortion kills a baby.

Amen!!!

 

[marksman]

Amen!!!

Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell.

I like it!

 

[Paul Christensen]

I am conversant with the phenomenon of Hillsong and the various criticism leveled at it so I thought it might be an idea to start a thread about Hillsong and ask people to post actual evidence (not their ideas or prejudices) to get a perspective on the movement.

I do not want hearsay or theories, but actual evidence such as things you have experienced, seen, or been told by someone who attends Hillsong or has attended Hillsong.

I will start the ball rolling...

Judging by the studies I have done about cults, I believe that Hillsong is a cult.
A cult revolves around one person.
You are not allowed to make any criticism of the cult leader or the senior leaders.
The leaders always do what the cult leader says.
The cult leader is beyond reproach.
You cannot speak to the cult leader. You have to talk to underlings even if they are young enough to be your grandson.
It is not your ministry that promotes you. It is your allegiance to the cult leader.
The women in leadership are beyond reproach and cannot be questioned even if they preach things contrary to the Word of God, (which they often do).
What the cult leader preaches is always right.
There is no freedom to believe the truth.

Apart from my studies, I have been a member of two cults which I did not realize they were until I had joined them. After I had joined them and started seeing a trend I left. One voluntary and the other by secular law when the church had me banned because I questioned what a female leader said because it was complete balderdash.

This church employed an enforcer to remove people that did not submit to their authority. They threatened physical abuse and or calling the police to have me removed from the meeting.

That sort of thing was one of the reasons why I left my last Charismatic church in 1978. But I became involved in a Spirit-filled prophetic ministry in Auckland run by a pastor whom I trusted and respected. And I found quite a different experience.

 

[ourforgiveness-com]

Here is something to consider. When we sing to the Lord, we do so with calmness; with a steady tempo.

James 5:13
Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Acts 16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

Matthew 26:30
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

The challenge comes when we use instruments of music that increase the tempo (or the beats per minute). This will stimulate your senses and increase your heart beat rate and blood flow. Take rock music for example, or workout music, these two are opposite to classical music. Although I do not oppose modern Christian music, I do think some modern musical instruments do arouse and stimulate your mind and spirit. The danger becomes when one is primarily motivated or driven by sound/beats/lights/decibels/visuals, etc. more than the main purpose of worshiping God. Again, to each his own. I personally do enjoy some modern Christian songs, but I prefer a cappella. And to be fair, the bible does speak of musical instruments for worshiping, take for example the following verses:

Psalms 150:4
“Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.”

Psalm 94:4-6
“Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.”
“Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.”
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”

Psalms 98:6
“With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.”


-May the Lord bless you all.

 

[Willie T]

Oh, for cryin' out loud! For goodness sake, get out of the CoC while you still can.