Hell's Population Clock

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: According to Col 1:19-20, God reconciled everything to Himself by
means of Christ’s blood on the cross-- all things in Heaven, and all things on
Earth. If that's so, then why are some people ending up in Hell?

REPLY: An RSVP can be roughly defined as response to an invitation; for
example there's a banquet depicted by Luke 14:16-23 where a number of
the invited guests made their excuses for not attending.

(Well, I have to give them credit for at least responding though their host
was very disappointed.)

The thing is: God reconciled us to Himself, viz: it's a done deal, but not
everyone among us has contacted God with an RSVP indicating their desire
to reconcile Him to themselves. In other words: reconciliation doesn't work
to people's advantage apart from diplomatic reciprocity, viz: God has
expressed His desire for peace and given His own son over to death as proof
of his willingness to bury the hatchet, so to speak.

● 2Cor 5:19-21 . . God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word
of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God
did beseech you by us, to wit: we pray you in Christ's stead: be reconciled to
God. For He has made him who knew no sin to be sin for us; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him.

If perchance someone out there favors the idea of settling with God out of
court; here's a suggestion.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a
sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like
--that you have never yet measured up to His standards and you're pretty
sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage of His son's
death as a means of bring you and He to the table as friends and allies
instead of strangers and foes.

Pop Clock Update: 4,495 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 247,656,520
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.

NOTE: Today's update represents very nearly 81% of the USA's current
population figures.
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[BarneyFife]

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I've participated on a pretty good number of internet forums in the last
fifteen years, and it's been my experience that most people, including
professing Xians, haven't really given the Bible's hell much thought.

I just wish there were tour buses to hell sort of like those buses in Beverly
Hills where people are taken around to see the homes of the stars so people
could see what's in store down there; and not only the degree of suffering
that people can expect in the next life, but also hell's impact upon the
human mind.

People have been on the road to perdition not only since the time of Christ,
but since even before the Flood. I won't speculate how many years that
might be, but Egypt's first pyramid, the Step Pyramid of Djoser, was
constructed about 4,600 years ago.

Homo sapiens is thought by some to have achieved full behavioral modernity
something like 50,000 years ago. Whether that extends clear on back to
Adam and Eve I have no clue; but just think: if it does, then Cain and others
from his era have been down in the netherworld all this time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years. I've been on the
Earth for just 68, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to
me now as to seem more like a fantasy rather than a memory.

Well; time stands still in hell: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who
arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like Lindsay Lohan
expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like
shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hell are in it as perpetual
residents; they're in a rut.

They go year, after year, after year, after year, with no relief from the pain
and discomfort: no vacations, no recreation, no reading materials, and no
hobbies— there's absolutely nothing to do but reminisce and writhe in fire.
The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of
mindless existence is beyond estimation.

In life, everybody enjoys God's blessings; even the really bad people. We're
all breathing fresh air, basking in sunshine, drinking cool water, savoring
tasty foods, listening to birds chirp, star gazing at night, throwing snow balls
at each other in winter, river rafting, fishing, snow skiing, tending gardens,
pruning shrubs, greeting friends during the holidays, spending days with
grandkids; and all that sort of thing. In the Bible's hell, there are no
blessings of any kind at all: only perpetual sadness, vexation, despair, and
want.

In the unruly society of Hades; it's reasonable to expect quarrels, bickering,
hard feelings, vendettas, rivalry, selfishness, insensitivity, irritation,
aggravation, and ugly words exchanged between people. Is there really any
good reason to be courteous and/or respect your fellow man's human rights
in the Bible's hell; or to be kind, forgiving, affable, genial, courteous, cordial,
charitable, altruistic, tolerant, generous, and patient? I was once discussing
the netherworld with a co-worker and he remarked: "Hell won't be so bad;
I'll have plenty of friends down there". No he won't.

And the din: think of the volume of noise down there with all the wailing and
sobbing, and the screams, shrieks, howls, and gnashing teeth. Conditions
are really bad, and everyone is sad, blue, and lonely. After a few years of
the conditions I'm describing, I should think most folks break, and go mad
from the stress.

But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available.
Or longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no
way to produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a
walk out in nature, with no world to do it in.

People in the Bible's hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade
of a tree, take deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird
chirp, see a sunset, watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar,
enjoy a Christmas dinner with loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves
gobbling barbecued spare ribs and corn on the 4th of July.

Sports and recreation are gone: no more world series, no more super bowl,
no more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more
lottery, no more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more
golf, no more surfing, et al.

No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no
Twitters, no texting, no FaceBook, no YouTube, no MySpace, no internet, no
clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks, no gum, no
candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no picnics, no
malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no jewelry, no
cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely nothing of
this world that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions of just being
alive.

No pets are allowed in the Bible's hell and no flowers or vegetation of any
kind. The absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens
of hell ever again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack
of pets and vegetation in hell is the absence of fleas and allergies. I suppose
you could say that's at least one good thing about it. There's a bright side to
everything I guess; even to that place.

Cliff
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It's enough to make a person want to get saved.

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[CC7799]

1 Corinthians chapter 2

You need holy Spirit.

For spiritual discernment.

Lot of people are carnal minded and have Spirit of slumber.

Only few Christians have Holy Spirit.

Why lot of people end up in sheol, called hell ??

Because they don't have holy Spirit.

Psalm chapter 49

They shall go to generations of their fathers, they shall never see the light. Some people, on judgement Day, might get eternal life, judged by their works, revelation chapter 20.

Lot of people think there going to run up to Jesus when they die.
Luke chapter 16

Jesus tells us. There are Two sides of the Gulf.
Righteous in paradise.
Wicked and spiritually Dead in sheol.

Many people go through wide gate to sheol.

Righteous go through narrow gate to paradise.

You need holy Spirit.

 

[Phoneman777]

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all
matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls
haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

• Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching,
and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there
few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait
gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but
indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to,
only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with
me while I flesh this out.

Well; according to the US Census Bureau: as of Apr 12, 2012 @ 11:21 pm
New York time, the resident population in the United States was
approximately 313,353,038 with a death rate of approximately one every 13
seconds; which translates to an average of 6,646 American deaths of all
ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths
are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 4,832 of
the current daily death rate of 6,646 per 24 hours are adults. Giving the
"many" the benefit of the doubt by setting their maximum percentage at
51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,464 American adults transferring to
perdition every day: which translates to roughly 103 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as the Lord didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think:
if the traditional hells were real places; then by the time CBS completes its
half-hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 51 Americans
would be new arrivals.

Using the ratio of 2,464 condemned souls per 313,353,038 population:
computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently
estimated global population of 7,006,673,612 people, would suggest
something like 55,096 new arrivals in one of the traditional hells every 24
hours; which translates to 2,296 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity
in roughly 22 hours and 33 minutes. In other words: if the world's
condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning,
then by 04:33 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on
those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to
12.2% higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive
layoffs, outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes,
nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, freeway pile-ups, brown
outs, threatened species, the price of oil, student debt, GMO, trade deficits,
protests, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, pandemics, lock
downs, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road
rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT marriage, Obamacare,
blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's wall.

If classical Christianity's perception of the hereafter is correct; then it's
apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless
procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually
through Tyson chicken processing plants on their way to Wendy's,
McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W,
Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants
all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering
and the butchering never stop.
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How do you harmonize your "now-burning hell" with verses which speak of future retribution/punishment?

>2 Peter 2:9 - "The Lord knoweth how...to reserve the unjust unto the day of Judgment to be punished."
>Proverbs 11:31 - "Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed...much more the wicked and the sinner".
>Deut. 32:22 - "(Fire) shall burn unto the lowest hell".
>Malachi 4:1 KJV - "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch" (the Hebrews considered this a proverbial expression for complete and total destruction - absolutely nothing left of existence).

There are many other verses I could cite to show that hell is not burning at the moment - so, how does one harmonize? By appealing without interpretation to the parable of Luke 16:19-31 or to highly symbolic passages of Revelation?

 

[Webers_Home]

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How do you harmonize your "now-burning hell" with verses which speak of future
retribution/punishment? There are many other verses I could cite to show that hell is not burning
at the moment - so, how does one harmonize?

I don't do food fights.
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[Scott Downey]

How do you harmonize your "now-burning hell" with verses which speak of future retribution/punishment?

>2 Peter 2:9 - "The Lord knoweth how...to reserve the unjust unto the day of Judgment to be punished."
>Proverbs 11:31 - "Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed...much more the wicked and the sinner".
>Deut. 32:22 - "(Fire) shall burn unto the lowest hell".
>Malachi 4:1 KJV - "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch" (the Hebrews considered this a proverbial expression for complete and total destruction - absolutely nothing left of existence).

There are many other verses I could cite to show that hell is not burning at the moment - so, how does one harmonize? By appealing without interpretation to the parable of Luke 16:19-31 or to highly symbolic passages of Revelation?

Jesus Warns of Offenses​

Mark 9, Jesus says hell is fiery.

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me [i]to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

Malachi 4 is in the future, it is called the Day of the Lord, when Christ returns the people alive on earth who are not saved will burn up when He arrives, Same as 1 Thess 2,

God’s Final Judgment and Glory​

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

You are also ignoring the lake of fire which is not the same as Hellfire. Hell is a reserved place for the wicked, such as a prison or dungeon until the final judgement. Meanwhile in Hell is pain and suffering torments, but not the final lake of fire suffering, which is the final solution for the wicked.


Hell is a lesser level of the Lake of Fire. You are saying they are the same thing.
I do agree that there seems to be levels of Hell so as to not be monolithic, not everyone's hell is the same experience.

Except we read Hell at the end is cast into the lake of fire, which proves they are different.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus Warns of Offenses​

Mark 9, Jesus says hell is fiery.

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me [i]to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life [j]maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to [k]hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 [l]where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into [m]hell, [n]into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [o]hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

Malachi 4 is in the future, it is called the Day of the Lord, when Christ returns the people alive on earth who are not saved will burn up when He arrives, Same as 1 Thess 2,

God’s Final Judgment and Glory​

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

You are also ignoring the lake of fire which is not the same as Hellfire. Hell is a reserved place for the wicked, such as a prison or dungeon until the final judgement. Meanwhile in Hell is pain and suffering torments, but not the final lake of fire suffering, which is the final solution for the wicked.


Hell is a lesser level of the Lake of Fire. You are saying they are the same thing.
I do agree that there seems to be levels of Hell so as to not be monolithic, not everyone's hell is the same experience.

Except we read Hell at the end is cast into the lake of fire, which proves they are different.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

What a terrible place compared to the place Jesus Christ has gone to prepare for those who love Him in this life.

Maybe like comparing the worst prison to the most beautiful tropical island on earth.

Thankfully those sentenced to eternal life in the lake of fire will in time repent and be shown mercy and become like us, recipients of God's amazing grace.

They will fulfil their Creators wishes and serve Them in Their never ending kingdom.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I'm basically a yellow-bellied kind of guy. Although I was a paratrooper with
the 101st Airborne division from Mar 1962 to Aug 1964, my enlistment was
during a time of mostly peace when soldiering was more like scouting than
killing.

I'm pretty certain that any "valor" I might've had at the time would've
succumbed to blind panic had the Army taken me to Viet Nam before I got
out. So; when I found out that Jesus was willing to take a fall for me I
jumped at the chance-- no hesitation.

Now, I've known some really stand-up guys, both in and out of the Army,
who would be utterly disgusted with me for taking a coward's way out of
retribution because not on your life would they pass the buck like I did. If
there's hell to pay; they'll be paying it themselves-- their choice --because in
their mind's eye; death without honor is unacceptable.

* It's ironic that strong men and women determined to stand on their own two
feet before God are fools, whereas chicken-livered weaklings like myself, who've
traded our dignity for the cross, are wise.
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[Gottservant]

You have to remember seeing the dead across the gulf in Hell, can save those that were born in Heaven.

Not everyone in Heaven needs to come to Earth, to get the chance to see Salvation.

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: The Old Testament has lots to say about retribution in this life, while
scarcely anything about it in the afterlife. Why is that?

REPLY: If we may safely assume the Old Testament's authors were inspired,
then I think we have to concede that God deliberately delayed the lion's
share of written words relative to the afterlife for a purpose. In point of fact,
much of what we know about retribution in the afterlife came much later via
His son Jesus rather than Moses and the prophets.

I suspect folks in the Old Testament knew about retribution in the afterlife,
but not from inspired writings. For example Abraham was informed of Christ
coming to die for the sins of the world (John 8:56) but there's nothing in the
Old Testament telling of his having that information about Christ. In other
words: people knew a lot of things back then that weren't written down for
posterity.

NOTE: There is a logical fallacy called an Argument From Silence which
insists that when certain information is missing from an historical document,
therefore such information never existed. That's a ridiculous notion of course
but nevertheless often successful in discussions.

Pop Clock Update: 4,526 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 249,364,496
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Webers_Home]

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● Phil 1:29 . . For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to
believe on him, but also to suffer for him.

Suffering for Christ doesn't necessarily include martyrdom. The more
common forms of suffering are privation, humiliation, threats, hunger, loss
of friends and family, ostracizing, ridicule, mockery, harsh criticism,
judgmental remarks, insults, intimidation, name calling, demeaning
comments, ugly insinuations, slander, teasing, harassment, bullying,
unfairness, prejudice, intolerance, disassociation, treachery, and betrayal; in
other words, the kinds of stuff that really get you right down in the gut.

Anyway, point being; not everyone's life counts towards something
permanent. For example: when most folks finish up, they cross over with
nothing to show for their years in this life, viz: the were born, they lived,
and they died-- that's about it.

In contrast, Christ's followers will have lots to show for their time in this life.

● Rom 8:16-18 . .The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's
children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs-- heirs of God and co-heirs
with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share
in his glory. I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing
with the glory that will be revealed in us.

Pop Clock Update: 4,550 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 250,686,800
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Webers_Home]

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● Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.

Punishment by parasites is unusual but not unheard of; for example:

● Acts 12:21-23 . . On an appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat
on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted:
This is the voice of a god, not of a man. Immediately, because Herod did not
give credit to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten
by worms and died.

The exact species of worms spoken of here has yet to be identified with
certainty. It's believed possible by some that the worms centered upon his
bowels like termites and carpenter ants; so that Herod must've been in
terrible agony towards the end.

The point to note in this case is that Herod survived with the critters for a
while before finally becoming too weak to carry on. The poor man was
literally eaten to death.

Pop Clock Update: 4,563 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 251,403,048
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Webers_Home]

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● Mark 3:28-30 . . I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men
will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will
never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they
were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

The Scribes and Pharisees were highly respected in their communities. No
doubt quite a few people believed them as they went about insinuating that
Jesus was a sorcerer.

You know, I can almost forgive highly respected entertainers and athletes
stooping to slander in the political world, but it is nigh unto impossible for
me to forgive spiritual big wigs for talking advantage of the public's trust in
the world of religion.

Pop Clock Update: 4,570 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 251,788,720
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Webers_Home]

Pop Clock Update: 4,577 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 252,174,392
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Christian Soldier]

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Pop Clock Update: 4,577 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 252,174,392
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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You have really upset all the "universalists", with this terrible subject. The Bible says that death is the king of all terrors, so most try to keep the thought of death and hell out of their minds. But hell must be an important bible doctrine, because Jesus spoke about hell more than anyone else.

I struggle to understand how those who reject the doctrine of eternal torment in hell can still claim to be Christians. They usually deal with this awful bible doctrine by claiming that the "second death" means one is annihilated and ceases to exist.
The other unbiblical school of thought is, that hell is separation from God, and the fire is only symbolic.

Most Christians reject the bible doctrine of hell, because it is the hardest of all doctrines to embrace, especially when we consider that most of our friends and family are likely going there. I struggled with the same view for many years, then one day I came to faith in Christ and accepted the fact that He has the right to do whatever He wants with His creation and I have no right to argue with Him.

 

[Webers_Home]

I struggled with the same view for many years, then one day I came to faith in Christ and
accepted the fact that He has the right to do whatever He wants with His creation and I have no
right to argue with Him.

Seeing as how God is an intelligent, mature adult (so to speak) who's never
petty, nor capricious, nor biased, nor fickle, nor impulsive, nor unreasonable,
and takes no pleasure in causing people harm; then God must be just as
stuck with Hell and can't make it go away with any more ease than we can.

For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell is unavoidable even for God
because it's somehow the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be utilized for
confinement in order to satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds
may never be able to fully grasp.

● Ps 145:17 . .The Lord is righteous in all His ways
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[Christian Soldier]

Seeing as how God is an intelligent, mature adult (so to speak) who's never
petty, nor capricious, nor biased, nor fickle, nor impulsive, nor unreasonable,
and takes no pleasure in causing people harm; then God must be just as
stuck with Hell and can't make it go away with any more ease than we can.

For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell is unavoidable even for God
because it's somehow the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be utilized for
confinement in order to satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds
may never be able to fully grasp.

● Ps 145:17 . .The Lord is righteous in all His ways
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You summed it up well, God showed me that He is worthy of my trust, because the more I learned about Him the more I saw that He is perfectly righteous and He is a perfect Judge.

We don't like to hear about corrupt human judges, but we expect God to break His own laws when it comes to judging our unbelieving loved ones.

 

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● John 10:29 . . My sheep . . my Father gave them to me

Now, those sheep weren't exactly a freebee, viz: the sheep didn't come
cheap. Jesus bought and paid for them himself at enormous personal
expense.

● 1Pet 1:18-19 . . For you know that it was not with perishable things such
as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed
down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a
lamb without blemish or defect.

There are people out and about who sincerely believe that Jesus' sheep--
having been bought and paid for at the price of his own blood --are in a
position to negotiate the terms of their association with him. They actually
believe their rightful owner would stand aside while they disown him sans
fair and equitable compensation, and walk out the door to start a new life
elsewhere, possibly with some other rancher, maybe even one of his
competitors.

There's some apropos lines in a movie called The Hunt For Red October that
go like this:

Dr. Ryan: We definitely grab the boat, sir.

National Security Advisor: Hey, wait a minute. We're not talking about some
stray pilot with a MIG. We're talking about several billion dollars worth of
Soviet State property. They're gonna to want it back.

Duh!

● 1Cor 6:19-20 . .You are not your own; you were bought at a price.

Pop Clock Update: 4,592 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 253,000,832
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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[Taken]

Thank you…as always very interesting reminder…

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Sheep are pretty good at bonding with their shepherd. For example Jesus
said:

● John 10:3-6 . .The sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by
name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on
ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But
they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him
because they do not recognize a stranger's voice.

Now if I'm reading that right, it appears to me that Jesus' sheep need not
fret themselves wondering who to follow. No, when they hear his voice, they
each know for themselves he's the one without needing somebody to point
him out.

It's interesting that the sheep seem not to go by facial recognition, nor are
they guided by the clothes their shepherd has on. No, it's his voice that
connects with them.

Sheep aren't the only ones. There's a raccoon that comes thru our backyard
whom I've routinely fed and watered for a number of years. Even after all
this time that critter still keeps a wary eye on me until I speak to it with the
words: "Hey little coon, don't bite me." Then it calms right down.

Not surprising the rapture per 1Thess 4:13-18 is voice-activated. It won't begin
to unfold till Christ begins shouting. I suspect not everyone on earth will
react because only his own are attuned to his voice. No doubt people around
them will be puzzled why all of a sudden they're looking up.

Pop Clock Update: 4,601 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 253,349,696
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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