IF the sabbath was indeed still in place and to be placed upon the Church , why was that never stated in the NT Epistles, especially when the Apostles met on the gentiles getting saved question in acts?Exactly.
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IF the sabbath was indeed still in place and to be placed upon the Church , why was that never stated in the NT Epistles, especially when the Apostles met on the gentiles getting saved question in acts?Exactly.
Acts 15 shows that the Gentiles who believed were already turning to God (repenting of their sin, transgression of God's law, the Ten Commandments) and keeping sabbath with the Jewish believers:IF the sabbath was indeed still in place and to be placed upon the Church , why was that never stated in the NT Epistles, especially when the Apostles met on the gentiles getting saved question in acts?
The following will be a fuller treatment of these two Chapters in particular, to demonstrate that the references to "the 7th Day" were actually talking about the millennium, when the kingdom of God will finally be established on the earth for a thousand years
If you are pointing to Revelation 20 [like most Christians have], nothing there speaks of a millennium kingdom. In fact, the word "millennium" is a symbolical number like any other numbers written in the Book of Revelation.
Matthew 24:29 reads:
IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Note the language above is describing the collapse of the world, so where in the timeline [before or after the world is destroyed] will you put the millennium kingdom?
Seventh-day Adventists are not 'amillennial'. We are 'millennial (literal 1000 years) in Heaven', not earth, as scripture teaches.Also, if you hold to a particular amillennial position, such as that of the SDAs, let me know.
Seventh-day Adventists are not 'amillennial'. We are 'millennial (literal 1000 years) in Heaven', not earth, as scripture teaches.
Sure, great question!I'm curious and never heard as to the SDAs position of a literal 1,000 years reign of Christ in heaven. Can you elaborate with Scripture?
Thank you
Sure, great question! (continued)I'm curious and never heard as to the SDAs position of a literal 1,000 years reign of Christ in heaven. Can you elaborate with Scripture?
Thank you
Seventh-day Adventists are not 'amillennial'. We are 'millennial (literal 1000 years) in Heaven', not earth, as scripture teaches.
Accepted. You agree that 'amillennial' means 'no thousand years', which generally means an allegorical approach like Catholicism's theology in its 'the church reigns now' approach, or some indefinite time of reign, correct?Yes, my apologies.
To me I tend to consider them amillennial because they don't believe in a 1,000 year reign on earth, but it's a bit of a misnomer so I shouldn't be using it.
Accepted. You agree that 'amillennial' means 'no thousand years', which generally means an allegorical approach like Catholicism's theology in its 'the church reigns now' approach, or some indefinite time of reign, correct?
None of the website you gave is anything new or enlightening (been around since the time of DM Canright, who even refuted himself), and is most certainly biased. Did you even read the testimony of Joe Rector? It's pathetic (saddening)....None of your biased SDA arguments are anything new or enlightening.
Read Joe Rector's sad testimony. It starts out being blessed with truth, and then as he slowly pushes away that truth, turning away from the Holy Spirit (which caused his depression and anxiety as King Saul), he loses his position in church, his job, his family, friends, brothers and sisters in the faith, loses faith in the messenger of God, loses faith in the message of the movement and finally loses his wife (divorce). Yet as you read all that, he thinks he is on the right track. He's completely blasphemed the Holy Spirit away as King Saul did, and thus, since he no longer hears any convictions pressing, he thinks that is relief and a sign the Holy Spirit is with him. He's self-deluded.This site many be helpful for you.
Sabbatismos Ministries (by Joe Rector)
I actually know Edwin M Cotto, even met him when he went through AFCOE (Amazing Facts Center of Evangelism), when I ministered there (at that time I was in the Bible School Dept).Yes.
I'm very likely stepping away from the forums for awhile, but before I go, I found this and thought I would ask you if this summarizes your position on the two Chapters as well. If you have any discrepancies with him, please let me know. Though I have problems with it (too convoluted for my taste), the article is nonetheless well written and gives a surprisingly clear presentation, despite the complexities.
Hebrews 3 and 4: Does “today” replace the seventh day? | Advent Defense League
God bless, and thanks for your cordial replies.
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For your info., I just contacted Joe Rector. Let's see what Joe has to say if he responds (I will of course ask permission to share anything he (etal) responds with). If any development occurs, I will let you know....This site many be helpful for you. ...
SDA’s remind me of crafty lawyers who are out to win their case at all costs. Whatever it takes. Hopefully that doesn’t sound too mean. Just being honest. ;)For your info., I just contacted Joe Rector. Let's see what Joe has to say if he responds (I will of course ask permission to share anything he (etal) responds with). If any development occurs, I will let you know.
Heard worse. I don't expect the opponents of truth to agree with us, and may state what they will. I find that it is most often the case that we are reported for speaking truth in love (speech), and our opponents call it hate speech. It is to be expected. I don't really care about such statements, I am more interested in the damaging theology in faith and practice, which is the more serious offense or crime.SDA’s remind me of crafty lawyers who are out to win their case at all costs. Whatever it takes. Hopefully that doesn’t sound too mean. Just being honest. ;)
I’m mostly concerned about people who pervert the gospel. Salvation is not by “grace plus law, faith plus works” as SDA’s teach. Here is a statement below from a SDA from a different Christian forum site:Heard worse. I don't expect the opponents of truth to agree with us, and may state what they will. I find that it is most often the case that we are reported for speaking truth in love (speech), and our opponents call it hate speech. It is to be expected. I don't really care about such statements, I am more interested in the damaging theology in faith and practice, which is the more serious offense or crime.
I actually know Edwin M Cotto, even met him when he went through AFCOE (Amazing Facts Center of Evangelism), when I ministered there (at that time I was in the Bible School Dept).
I always recommend his site.
Our “sabbatismos” rest in Hebrews 4 is our perpetual rest found in Christ in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Plain and simple. None of your biased SDA arguments are anything new or enlightening.
This site many be helpful for you.
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