Hebrew Roots ends now

[PGS11]

As long as you understand that God does not care what you think of Israel - they are central in the end time prophecy and everything happens in Israel nowhere else and their and our Savior will finally come revealing himself to them.You don't get to call it God does.In to Arianism we go like JWs and Unitarians which are not Christian.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Dear @Cassandra and @GracePeace,

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Hebrews 4:1-3
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
For we who have believed(in Christ/Gospel) do enter that rest,


Exodus 33:12-14
Then Moses said to the Lord, “See, You say to me, ‘Bring up this people.’ But You have not let me know whom You will send with me. Yet You have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have also found grace in My sight.’ Now therefore, I pray, if I have found grace in Your sight, show me now Your way, that I may know You and that I may find grace in Your sight. And consider that this nation is Your people.”
And the Lord said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”

Matthew 11:28-30
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

The LORD Jesus Christ is our REST = Salvation cannot be acquired by resting on the 7th day of the week/Saturday.

Yes, He is our REST. The Kingdom is without Observation ...being in JESUS is being in The Kingdom. If you have REST ...you are not in a race anymore ...to win the race is to have a Finished Faith. A Circumcised Heart has the Door closed to the death side of free will.

 

[David in NJ]

In to Arianism we go like JWs and Unitarians which are not Christian.

Please explain this - Thank You

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, He is our REST. The Kingdom is without Observation ...being in JESUS is being in The Kingdom. If you have REST ...you are not in a race anymore ...to win the race is to have a Finished Faith. A Circumcised Heart has the Door closed to the death side of free will.

If you have REST ...you are not in a race anymore ...

The ONLY Way to enter the RACE is thru His REST
No one else is able to even get to the Starting Line.

to win the race is to have a Finished Faith.

We win the RACE the SAME Way we began it - Hebrews 12:1-2

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

SEEW Post #217

David , i thought you had went home my friend . I had not seen you for a while now .
I was about to read your euology to all my friend .
Today we put to rest in the earth our dear friend david . David had fought to contend for the true faith .
But i guess i can put that on hold my friend . Now to the TRENCHES this war for souls is hitting a peak my friend .
The lie is even amongst us here . And its taking more and more captive to its lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

The ONLY Way to enter the RACE is thru His REST
No one else is able to even get to the Starting Line.


We win the RACE the SAME Way we began it - Hebrews 12:1-2

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

the lie has led them to this , rather than LOOKING unto JESUS it sayeth look unto the love of interfaith
and enter into that covenant that has made the road to GOD massive .
THEY are entering into a false love covenant that IS NOT OF GOD , for if it had been of GOD
it would have POINTED to the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIS CHRIST JESUS .
It does not such thing as it promises all religoins this universal false love path and hollers
that the christain truth is no better than any other religoins truth . IT HAS LED TO THE LIE that has made VOID
JESUS THE CHRIST . HAS TROD HIM UNDER FOOT and has promised them all world peace n safety , salvation .
But the dead know not that path leadeth not to peace n safety nor salvation but rather TO SUDDEN destruction
from HE whom IT DENIED . JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Lizbeth]

Hebrew Roots needs a way to link CHRIST'S Law to Mosaic Law ...because they don't have CHRIST'S Law written to their hearts. So they bring up Mat 23:1-3 and claim the large crowd had Gentiles in it ...JESUS was here first for the Jews. They need JESUS to be telling Gentiles to observe pharisees which is laughable. A pillar of their fake religion has just been removed.

Mat 23:1-3​

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,​

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:​

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.​

What's mind blowing to me is that they can claim to do these 613 laws somehow ...and therefore be self-righteous ...but also look at Romans 7 the same exact way a dead spirit does ...as an excuse to sin. ...just wow.

Their pharisaical scheme to game the system ended in 70 A.D. It's extra comical that Hebrew Roots wasn't even a thing 10 years ago.
They think giving up half of a fallen life through the Law of sin and death can pass through Judgment because they made their own definition of who gets Saved (tree of knowledge of good and evil).

None of this is about JESUS, they just pretend that it is. We all know upholding the Old Covenant is declaring JESUS didn't Fulfill anything. Their goal is squeeze the Law of the Jews in without real Christians noticing what they are up to. They never consider Mosaic Law was for physical Jews 2,000 years ago ...not the surrounding Gentiles.

Hebrew Roots is people trying to uphold the Mosaic Law because they would rather do those 613 laws than give up drugs and masturbation. They are trying to clown GOD, it isn't working.

If you know of one, just show them this Scripture:

Acts 15:5-10
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


//If the yoke of sin slavery isn't on the Reborn ...then the yoke of The Law of sin and death isn't on them either. It's all about CHRIST'S Law now. Being Grieved is His Law on your heart.


JESUS' Walk was eating from The Tree of LIFE.

Mosaic Law didn't let you eat from that Tree. The Law of sin and death was in place so that when The MESSIAH came ...you could be counted as Righteous with Him ...long after you were physically dead. The Law of sin and death vanished away.


Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? IT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSIONS, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: FOR YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

//Are they claiming that "the law of sin and death." isn't about The Mosaic Law?


Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Agree with the gist of your post. To be fair, not all Hebrew roots folks have gone back under Law. But the idolizing of the Jews and all things Jewish has led many of them to do that unfortunately. I think it's good to be awake to the need to evangelize the Jews on the one hand, because they had been forgotten about for a long time by the church.......but on the other hand, unfortunately the flesh has run away with it and this has led and is leading to deception.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear @Cassandra and @GracePeace,

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Hebrews 4:1-3
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
For we who have believed(in Christ/Gospel) do enter that rest,


Exodus 33:12-14
Then Moses said to the Lord, “See, You say to me, ‘Bring up this people.’ But You have not let me know whom You will send with me. Yet You have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have also found grace in My sight.’ Now therefore, I pray, if I have found grace in Your sight, show me now Your way, that I may know You and that I may find grace in Your sight. And consider that this nation is Your people.”
And the Lord said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”

Matthew 11:28-30
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

The LORD Jesus Christ is our REST = Salvation cannot be acquired by resting on the 7th day of the week/Saturday.

Salvation cannot be acquired by the works of man . Salvation has already been attained for all BY JESUS THE CHRIST
to enter into that rest ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM . What must WE DO to work the works of GOD .
ANSWER . BELIEVE YE ON HE , JESUS THE CHRIST , whom GOD DID SEND .
All the good works that GOD ordained them to walk in , IN JESUS CHRIST by the power of the SPIRIT
shall we be given the desire and ability to DO this .
Too many look to the law and their own works to save them . THE TRUTH IS
had they even had eyes to see and ears to hear they would have SEEN that EVEN THE LAW POINTED TO JESUS THE CHRIST
as did all the prophets , as did THE FATHER HIMSELF .
Too many seek to enter into the rest that implies man was made for the sabbath
but not into the true Sabbath MADE FOR MAN . PREPARED BY GOD to give REST unto THE VERY SOUL
of he who did labor and was weary . TIME TO PREACH JESUS TO ALL that has breath .

 

[amigo de christo]

Agree with the gist of your post. To be fair, not all Hebrew roots folks have gone back under Law. But the idolizing of the Jews and all things Jewish has led many of them to do that unfortunately. I think it's good to be awake to the need to evangelize the Jews on the one hand, because they had been forgotten about for a long time by the church.......but on the other hand, unfortunately the flesh has run away with it and this has led and is leading to deception.

In the heart of man it is to flatter and to please man . But this will not win one soul .
What pleases GOD is what will win souls . The preaching of the one true gospel of JESUS the CHRIST .
many idolize man and honor the flesh , NOT THE SON . Who once said YE MUST BE born AGAIN
AND THAT THE flesh profits nothing .
MANY have forgotten that the jew is no better than the gentile and the gentile no better than the jew ,
THAT INDEED ALL HAVE and ALL DO FALL SHORT of the GLORY OF GOD
and thus ALL NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . many idolize the flesh
and will pander to the flesh of man . NOW we see this in seeker friendly and all of interfaith .
THEY PANDER , THEY PLEASE man in order to win man . BUT it all ends with the second death .
For man cannot save himself , with man it is impossible , but NOT WITH GOD
and GOD has CHOSEN HOW to save the world . By the preaching of the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
that all who do BELIEVE in HIM , CALLING UPON HIS NAME shall be saved . all else will be graved .

 

[Lizbeth]

From a snippet form an article...at this website...Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement



...followers of the HRM believe that all believers in Christ are obligated to follow Jewish laws and practices from the books of Moses. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Although they often speak of keeping the “law,” they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. For example, certain laws are either broken or neglected while a great deal of attention is placed on keeping the Sabbath (Friday sunset through Saturday sunset) and celebrating the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. These issues will be discussed in more detail below.

It is difficult to document the movement’s history because of its lack of organizational structure, but the modern HRM has been influenced in some ways by Seventh-Day Adventism and the Worldwide Church of God during the lifetime of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. Additionally, the HRM has been influenced by the practices of Messianic Jews, but the similarities between the groups are superficial and should not be conflated. In fact, some Messianic Jewish organizations have denounced the beliefs of the HRM....

---------more words on the subject from another article-----https://bereanresearch.org/hebrew-roots-founder-jim-staley-admits-defrauding-elderly-investors/

----Jim Staley is the founder---

Staley was a Missouri-licensed insurance agent from 1999 to 2008. In 2008, he formed Wealth Financial International, and also became a sales agent for a California company named B&B Equity Group.

He convinced some Wealth Financial clients to cash in annuities and invest the money in B&B, officials said, knowing they would lose “substantial surrender fees.”

Staley later became B&B’s national sales manager. Officials said he continued recruiting salespeople, even after realizing that the product — bundled life insurance policies — wasn’t selling and after receiving a cease-and-desist order from the Missouri Secretary of State’s office in 2009. He did not disclose that order to prospective investors.

Years later, he would insist to supporters that he sold a sound financial product that was recognized in 34 states, just not in Missouri.

In 2011, Staley and others were ordered by the state to return commissions of $350,000 and repay $2.5 million. Staley was ordered to pay civil fines of $14,000. It was not clear whether he complied.

None of the investors belonged to his church, prosecutors said.

‘ROOTS MOVEMENT’

Staley’s church website says he taught Bible study classes in the St. Louis area for years and helped “Christians learn to defend the Bible and evangelize.”

He “had a supernatural experience and introduction to understanding the Bible through the original authors’ mindset and those in the First Century Church,” it says, and dedicated his life since 2007 to teaching “amazing life-changing truths” to others.

Staley and other “Christian Roots Movement” followers advocate a return to the first Christians’ walk of faith and obedience to the Torah. He calls it returning to the core Bible teaching “from the original author’s perspective” before churches “started adding and subtracting from the word of God.”

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I think it really took hold in a big way with the Toronto Renewal in the 90's. At least that's when I became aware of it and saw it come in.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think it really took hold in a big way with the Toronto Renewal in the 90's. At least that's when I became aware of it and saw it come in.

And in has it come and now leads many into greater and greater leaven , as now even the lie
has entered in which DENIES even the very NEED to BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
a little leaven sure can leaven if not corrected . And if error be not corrected leads only to more error
for error can beget only one thing , MORE ERROR .

 

[Lizbeth]

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus kept His Father's commandments, so there was no discounting of the Sabbath.
And No, I am not Hebrew roots. I don't know anything about them. I know in your first post, you said some pretty bad things, and I don't know why or what they believe because of the drugs and the other thing you mention.

My question is why are you so angry with them?and why do you accuse them of drugs and the other thing?

Jesus was physically born under the Law.......then when He died and rose again He was no longer under the Law. That is like those who are born again.....no longer under the Law and required to keep it because they are dead to the Law now. Though it is not sin to keep the Law until they grow in understanding and their conscience releases them (that's why the Law was fading away)....or they keep certain aspects of it for the sake of expediency, like Paul.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sabbath Rest is everyday ...but they know nothing about it because they are still in sin slavery. They don't have anything written to their heart ...that means they don't have His Righteousness ...what they have is pharisaical works pretending that their addictions isn't death.

They don't know anything about Spirit or Truth. They pretend to be Jews ...and also pretend the hour didn't cometh:
[Jhn 4:20 KJV]
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
[Jhn 4:21 KJV]
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
[Jhn 4:22 KJV]
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
[Jhn 4:23 KJV]
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Jesus said all things pertaining to the Law of Moses would be fulfilled in that generation. How sad that they do not believe Jesus fulfilled His promise.
Jesus, speaking to the Jews , 2000 years ago.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you,

Till heaven and earth pass,

one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,

till all be fulfilled.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus said not ONE jot or tittle would pass from the law of Moses until 1) heaven and earth passed away
2) all was fulfilled.
Are we still under every jot and tittle of the law of Moses OR did heaven and earth pass away and all was fulfilled. Both cannot be true.

Well....if any go back under the Law it means they have fallen away. They may have been true believers but then were drawn away and enticed and deceived.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sadly many Christians believe in the "New Covenant" theology that is man made. Does this mean that I should bag those who have this understanding? No. I should not bag them for their belief in Christ, even if my understanding is very different.

Today, many Christians are anti Jews, holding onto the belief that it was the Jews who crucified Christ on the Cross, whereas, it was only a very small percentage of the Jewish population that did so in the early hours of the morning.

Some of the understanding of the Hebrew Roots movement is good for all Christians to know, however like all "movement" that adhere to a "Christian doctrine," there will also be parts that are not in line with what Christ taught or the scriptures, both the OT and the NT, teaches us.

May the Hebrew Roots movement be just one of the many means that God uses to draw people to Himself. As Christ said, "Leave them alone," and just worry about what you believe and its drawing of you to Christ/God.

There are many "tares" planted within the Wheat field, but the angels will separate the tares from the wheat when they harvest the fields. It is not our role to do so.

Shalom

Unfortunately it is leading many Jewish souls astray as well. To me that is doubly sad....they get saved only to be immediately taken by a deception. While I sure don't think we ought to be condemning people, false doctrines and beliefs need to be exposed and the truth shone like a light from a hilltop, if we have any care for souls, both Jewish and Gentile.

 

[Lizbeth]

In Matt 5, Jesus uses commandments as examples, and makes them even more than they were before, not less.

Adultery went from the act to harboring the idea.
Kill went from the act to even being angry with your brother. I don't see that as getting rid of the commandments.

The ordinances are not the Ten commandments, they are the ceremonial laws.

Why do you accuse them of doing drugs and the other thing you keep mentioned?

Not the old way of the letter, but the new way of the Spirit now which is according to the law of love and conscience.

 

[amigo de christo]

Not the old way of the letter, but the new way of the Spirit now which is according to the law of love and conscience.

and love rejoices not in sin and inquity but in the TRUTH . as far as meats drinks and days
that do pertain to the conscious of one .
Now lift those hands up dear sister , the LORD is our hope and HE our salvation .
To the trenches sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think it really took hold in a big way with the Toronto Renewal in the 90's. At least that's when I became aware of it and saw it come in.

the lie has led them to this , rather than LOOKING unto JESUS it sayeth look unto the love of interfaith
and enter into that covenant that has made the road to GOD massive .
THEY are entering into a false love covenant that IS NOT OF GOD , for if it had been of GOD
it would have POINTED to the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIS CHRIST JESUS .
It does not such thing as it promises all religoins this universal false love path and hollers
that the christain truth is no better than any other religoins truth . IT HAS LED TO THE LIE that has made VOID
JESUS THE CHRIST . HAS TROD HIM UNDER FOOT and has promised them all world peace n safety , salvation .
But the dead know not that path leadeth not to peace n safety nor salvation but rather TO SUDDEN destruction
from HE whom IT DENIED . JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[PGS11]

Its very simple Jesus has no divinity in the JWs and Unitarians. If the trinity doctrine is missing its a slide into Arianism, Christian heresy that declared that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. According to the Alexandrian presbyter Arius (4th century), God alone is immutable and self-existent, and the Son is not God but a creature with a beginning.

Please explain this - Thank You

Jesus is different in JW and Unitarians.All other Christian churches its the same Jesus from Baptist to Catholic you know the Trinity doctrine.Unitarians can't think of Jesus as divine its too much for them.JW Jesus is different hes a created being not divine.

 

[Lizbeth]

They don't want to Obey The Son because they want to avoid CHRIST'S Moral Law. They want to self-pleasure themselves.

Is JESUS not LORD to them? Do they get that they are attempting to Bridge to The Father without His Son?

Wow, amen, you're raising such a good point brother.....bright light of Day that some might call harsh and blemish revealing.

So right that the Law is used as a mask for the beast nature and why many would rather cling or revert back to that than receive or keep to the new covenant. It's so easy to obey the letter of the Law and be deceived into thinking that is making one righteous, when really it is only cleaning the outside of the cup not the inside. The Law becomes an excuse and cover to sin in ways not specifically mentioned in the letter of the Law. Reminds me of Jesus saying that men refuse the light and love the darkness, because their deeds are evil.

As you've been saying Christ's law is a higher law and requires the cleansing of our hearts, eg, it requires the death/cessation of inward lusts and not just outwardly acting on them.

 

[Marvelloustime]

and love rejoices not in sin and inquity but in the TRUTH . as far as meats drinks and days
that do pertain to the conscious of one .
Now lift those hands up dear sister , the LORD is our hope and HE our salvation .
To the trenches sister .

@amigo de christo