"Have you ever had a spiritual paranormal encounter?"

[bbyrd009]

If you mean in an audible voice outside of Scripture? No. He does not interact that way today.

That's got me laughing. The old saints used to call audible words "locutions."

But of course one cannot, by scripture, prove that God does not ever give audible words to anyone. And one cannot prove from scripture that God does not and cannot do this in the year 2020.

I’ve heard God speak in an audible voice many times. When people yield to God and are ministering to others I hear God.

People do hear God's voice, be it audible according to some scientific definition of audible or in some other way.

If God is speaking to you in an audible voice that would be special revelation. If that were true, it should be added to Scripture.

I agree that this is the problem with people claiming direct commands or words from God.

What makes you so certain?

I'm certain that God does speak to me, to do this, not do that, think this way, I suppose you might respond, no, that's a part of your brain that you THINK is God, but if that's so, that part is amazing in what it can tell me.

Much love!

Exodus 20:19 Lexicon: Then they said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die."

 

[bbyrd009]

The Bible COMMANDS the preaching of the Word. You realize this right?

ha well that is maybe what preachers like to believe, but the Bible prolly does not in any way command us to "preach" the way we define that now wadr. That Scripture is not even Word notwithstanding
2 Timothy 4:2 Lexicon: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Strong's Greek: 2784. κηρύσσω (kérussó) -- to be a herald, proclaim
and what do most preachers proclaim nowadays? Mithraism, and/or Jesus as a getoutofjailfree card. I could even establish this via Scripture, or maybe an example might serve;
Word has now been proclaimed in your hearing, right?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Exodus 20:19 Lexicon: Then they said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die."

not sure what you are pointing out with Exodus? Hebrews 12:25-27 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: [26] Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. [27] And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Revelation 3:1-2 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. [2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.


Want to understand what you mean though, the perspective?

 

[amadeus]

Hi Amadeus,

Do you believe the canon is still open to addition?

Curious Mary

I really don't know. I have never studied it myself. On this thread I asked someone else to tell me just exactly what the canon was, and who established it, and why was it apparently different for Catholics and non-Catholics. I did not receive answers to those questions.

I presume that the canon is a group of scriptures someone has determined to be the Word of God, but that is a presumption based mainly from what I have read on forums like this one. It may well be erroneous.

Is the canon supposed to be the Word of God? Does it or should it contain 73 or 66 books? I know what I believe to be the Word of God, but a lot of Protestants disagree with me.

Even though I was a Catholic a very long time ago, I don't believe the question ever came up. What do Catholics believe the Bible is? What do they believe the Canon is? To them is there a difference between the Canon and the written scriptures?

I don't believe that the unopened Bible alone is the Word of God about which we read in the scriptures. The unopened Bible as I see it is dead. The Word of God is alive.

 

[amadeus]

*sigh* the question is not IF he speaks, it is HOW he speaks.

How!!!

"And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice." I Kings 19:11-12

To Elijah it was "a still small voice", but to another it may well be in the wind, or the earthquake or the fire

And then in the NT we see Him speaking this way:

"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matt 3:17

And then Jesus tells us of another way God is to speak here:

"But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." Matt 10:19-20

Can He also speak to us in a dream or a vision or as some say in message in an unknown tongue interpreted by another?

How???

Only through the written Bible? Never in conflict with the written Bible...? According to whose interpretation?

 

[amadeus]

The Bible COMMANDS the preaching of the Word. You realize this right?

Can a person not led by the Holy Spirit really preach the Word of God? Isn't it rather that he can call it the Word of God even though it is dead in his mouth?

 

[amadeus]

If it is God who you are opening your heart to.... But God doesn't counteract the Scriptures.

What you mean is that God does not change His Word! Do you really believe that the devil quoting scripture to Jesus was speaking the Word of God?

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Matt 4:6

 

[bbyrd009]

not sure what you are pointing out with Exodus? Hebrews 12:25-27 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: [26] Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. [27] And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Revelation 3:1-2 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. [2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.


Want to understand what you mean though, the perspective?

if Yah speaks aloud to someone, imo anyway the experience would be one of being terrified, likely not reassured

 

[VictoryinJesus]

if Yah speaks aloud to someone, imo anyway the experience would be one of being terrified, likely not reassured

well wasn’t really speaking of an audible voice but only of when He speaks things which are shaken do die. Changed from glory to glory. Conviction. Is that not audible as only God can speak it to where something dies. They cried in exodus that if God spoke to them anymore they would die. Yet Paul said he (willingly)died daily in subjection to Who? Was only responding because even yesterday when someone commented if God spoke we would die. Don’t we? To live is Christ, to die is gain?

 

[reformed1689]

Can a person not led by the Holy Spirit really preach the Word of God? Isn't it rather that he can call it the Word of God even though it is dead in his mouth?

Now you are changing the topic.

 

[amadeus]

Now you are changing the topic.

If the written scriptures Not brought to Life in a person by the Holy Spirit are Not the Word of God, as I believe, it certainly undercuts the idea that God only speaks through/according the scriptures.

 

[Heart2Soul]

And how have I said otherwise? So not sure what you are nit picking here because that is my position too.

Well, specifically, to perform His Word as He did...Christ...in every manner....even in what you claim doesn't exist today.

 

[Pisteuo]

I remember always hearing how there were people possessed by the devil when I was growing up. They said you could hear them babbling or making threats. That sounds like the devil.
Stands to reason that those possessed by God would make sounds, too. Wonder what those would sound like?....

 

[brakelite]

Lol....No such thing as the Protestant church?

The original protestants started 500 years ago. Some of those men broke away from them in protest because those Protestants were wrong in their theology. Some of those men broke away from those protestants because they thought their theology was wrong. And it goes on and on until we have protestants that say gay marriage, actively gay clergy and abortion is ok with God sooooo your theory that "There is no such thing as a Protestant church" is easly debunked.

The fact is YOU are protesting which makes you a part of the protestant church. ;)

And like I said, (are you not reading) most of those churches are not protesting. So they are no longer Protestant. They may as well be Catholic.
I notice you cannot reply to any of the other points I make.

 

[reformed1689]

If the written scriptures Not brought to Life in a person by the Holy Spirit are Not the Word of God, as I believe, it certainly undercuts the idea that God only speaks through/according the scriptures.

Wait, you don't believe the written scriptures themselves are the Words of God without any external influence? That's heresy.

 

[reformed1689]

Well, specifically, to perform His Word as He did...Christ...in every manner....even in what you claim doesn't exist today.

Explain

 

[amadeus]

Wait, you don't believe the written scriptures themselves are the Words of God without any external influence? That's heresy.

I believe that the original words were written by men as inspired by God to do so. I also believe that a person reading with the same inspiration is reading the Word of God. The key to what I said is "with the same inspiration". Without that inspiration, the Holy Spirit that is, it is like the dead body of Jesus on the cross before He resurrected.

 

[reformed1689]

I believe that the original words were written by men as inspired by God to do so. I also believe that a person reading with the same inspiration is reading the Word of God. The key to what I said is "with the same inspiration". Without that inspiration, the Holy Spirit that is, it is like the dead body of Jesus on the cross before He resurrected.

No, I wholeheartedly disagree with this position. The words are always the Word of God no matter who is reading it.

 

[amadeus]

No, I wholeheartedly disagree with this position. The words are always the Word of God no matter who is reading it.

The Spirit versus spirit really does matter. Without the Holy Spirit there is no Life! The Holy Spirit loses no battles whereas a person quoting the scriptures or calling on the name of Jesus without the Holy Spirit...:

"Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded." Acts 19:13-16

 

[reformed1689]

Without the Holy Spirit there is no Life!

This is a different issue than what we are discussing.