Has this forum embraced the Wokeness culture by any chance.

[Angelina]

If you guys want a men's-only forum here, you just need to ask. The issue is always whether it's going to be viable or not, but so far, the women's section has worked okay. The only real problem is keeping the opposite genders out because we don't have access to the right tools that enable the forums to be for specific genders only.

 

[quietthinker]

Hi Jay. I wouldn't categorize it as "woke" myself. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with women having their own forum, although ideally men should have their own too, if we're going to be fair about it. I wouldn't mind having more insular sub-forums. I liked how on our old forum there were forums specifically for the different rapture views, but there was also one where we could discuss them all freely.



That's certainly a byproduct of it. But in the broader context, I would define it as cultural Marxism.

The expression 'woke' has morphed since it was originally coined. It has now become another label for something one disagrees with.
'Woke' was coined because of oppression by the dominator. The term has been picked up in a derogative manner (mostly) in modern times by any with an axe to grind.

 

[Bob]

If you guys want a men's-only forum here, you just need to ask. The issue is always whether it's going to be viable or not, but so far, the women's section has worked okay. The only real problem is keeping the opposite genders out because we don't have access to the right tools that enable the forums to be for specific genders only.

Thanks, but no. (At least we don’t have anyone lobbying for “gender-fluid” etc.)

As for the women’s section: I apologize for occasionally replying by mistake to a great post.

 

[Bob]

The expression 'woke' has morphed since it was originally coined. It has now become another label for something one disagrees with.
'Woke' was coined because of oppression by the dominator. The term has been picked up in a derogative manner (mostly) in modern times by any with an axe to grind.

Figurative woke—being socially and politically awake, or aware—started emerging in Black English at least by the 1940s. A 1943 article in The Atlantic quoted a black United Mine Workers official from 1940 playing with woke in a metaphor for social justice: “Waking up is a damn sight than going to sleep, but we’ll stay woke up longer.”

In the U.S., it mostly refers to those who are sure they are victims, and who are (vehemently) opposed to the American ethic of hard work, achievement through merit, a stable society of married couples and their children, equality of opportunity, and government defending the natural rights of citizens.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you guys want a men's-only forum here, you just need to ask. The issue is always whether it's going to be viable or not, but so far, the women's section has worked okay. The only real problem is keeping the opposite genders out because we don't have access to the right tools that enable the forums to be for specific genders only.

No, I was just pointing out that equality of the sexes does not exist on this forum otherwise the moderators would have created a men's only forum as well, at the same time. Whether or not the "male only" forum would become "successful" should not have been considered.

The question that comes to my mind is, "Has the 'female only forum' become successful or has it allowed some female members to hide from themselves in that forum.

The question is that as men we are not "sensitive" as to where "good" input comes from. I know that I welcome it whatever the sex of the member is.

It all comes down to the agenda that members have when they post.

There is much for us members to learn as to how it is possible to interact without the need for moderators to moderate because of a few squeaking misguided/unhinged members as to what acceptable behaviour looks like.

Sadly, the "spin" of some members is not endearing, to say the least.

Some posters need the readers to use a brain occasionally to really understand what the member actually posted and not for them to make misguided assumptions as to what the poster meant.

Perhaps more proof reading is needed by all of us to ensure that the intended message can be received by all.

Shalom

 

[TLHKAJ]

On this forum we have a women's only forum, limited to only women members, but if equality was a hallmark of this forum, then there would also be a men's only forum limited to only male members.

Does this demonstrate "wokeness" or am I overreacting.

You are overreacting. There is a women's only forum because there are men on the forum who are very unkind and domineering, and women need a place they can just breathe, discuss things related to women, etc. I'd rather it be password only access and not viewed by people without passwords, but it's a start.

 

[Angelina]

No, I was just pointing out that equality of the sexes does not exist on this forum otherwise the moderators would have created a men's only forum as well, at the same time. Whether or not the "male only" forum would become "successful" should not have been considered.

I instigated the women's forum because I thought it might generate some positive activity, and it has. There are women's forums on most Christian forums, but I was not sure if it was going to be successful here, and since there are more women than men, I tested the idea out, and it has worked. I am surprised that none of the men here had ever asked. There is no conspiracy, and if you want a men's forum, that can be arranged.

 

[BarneyFife]

The expression 'woke' has morphed since it was originally coined. It has now become another label for something one disagrees with.
'Woke' was coined because of oppression by the dominator. The term has been picked up in a derogative manner (mostly) in modern times by any with an axe to grind.

It's been reduced to a all-purpose slur, for the most part. But, then, that's what politics are all about today. I felt the same way 40 years ago, when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Boy, was I in for a surprise.

 

[Jay Ross]

There is a women's only forum because there are men on the forum who are very unkind and domineering,

Are you suggesting that there are not any scary women on this forum who are not kind or domineering? My experience is that there are.

The question that is difficult to answer is, "How do you encourage the scary people to change without offending them so that they do not resort to lawyers and the like, fronting courts, to get the outcomes that they want?"

My experience on a forum many years ago, probably over ten or more years now, was those two members, I believe, wanted me to be removed from the forum because I argued against their understanding of the respective beasts' entities. One member could rattle off a list of 14 entities that he believed were the actual beasts.

I, on the other hand, argued that the beasts were able to cause people groups, kingdoms and empire, to manifest the prominent characteristics of the respective beasts' influence. The people groups ebbed and flow in and out of the influence of these respective beast.

The owner of the forum, who out of the kindness of his own heart, was paying all of the running costs for that forum, (just like the owner of this forum is also financing the operational costs for this forum), quickly came to the conclusion that his only solution was to just shut down the forum altogether.

Litigation is one of the tools used by the "woke" people at large.

I for one would not want to be a moderator because of the stress levels associated with dealing with real unreasonable people and their nastiness.

Which comes back to the question, "has this forum embraced the woke culture and its influences.

If so, what should the members, themselves, be doing about it?

Shalom

 

[quietthinker]

Are you suggesting that there are not any scary women on this forum who are not kind or domineering? My experience is that there are.

The question that is difficult to answer is, "How do you encourage the scary people to change without offending them so that they do not resort to lawyers and the like, fronting courts, to get the outcomes that they want?"

My experience on a forum many years ago, probably over ten or more years now, was those two members, I believe, wanted me to be removed from the forum because I argued against their understanding of the respective beasts' entities. One member could rattle off a list of 14 entities that he believed were the actual beasts.

I, on the other hand, argued that the beasts were able to cause people groups, kingdoms and empire, to manifest the prominent characteristics of the respective beasts' influence. The people groups ebbed and flow in and out of the influence of these respective beast.

The owner of the forum, who out of the kindness of his own heart, was paying all of the running costs for that forum, (just like the owner of this forum is also financing the operational costs for this forum), quickly came to the conclusion that his only solution was to just shut down the forum altogether.

Litigation is one of the tools used by the "woke" people at large.

I for one would not want to be a moderator because of the stress levels associated with dealing with real unreasonable people and their nastiness.

Which comes back to the question, "has this forum embraced the woke culture and its influences.

If so, what should the members, themselves, be doing about it?

Shalom

Be woke...ahhhhhh, I mean, be awake.
As you can tell, I've jus' bin hangin' 'round those lower class folk too long!

 

[Wrangler]

Have you ever asked for a man’s only forum?
If you have and admin refused but allowed a women’s one , then it could be argued as treating one group with a bias , but if no one has asked then it’s because no men have actually suggested it.

Do White people have to ask to have their own, segregated water fountain? Or White only college graduation ceremonies? We either have equal rights or we don't.

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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with women having their own forum

To have a sex based forum is blatantly sexist. Men should not have to ask to not be discriminated against on the basis of sex. Feminists want equal rights, except for when they don't. This sex based entitlement ideology is on display for anyone willing to look.

Meme's are a modern art form. One set of meme's pointed out that our country is so woke, it only removed women and minority likenesses from products, e.g. Aunt Jemima pancake syrup, Uncle Ben's rice, Land 'O Lakes butter, Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians. But it was left on for White men like KFC, Boston Celtics basketball. Such selective outrage epitomizes the woke culture today.

Imagine having WET, White Entertainment Television? Imagine having NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Caucasian People? Imagine having a Republican Caucasian Caucus? Imagine if sport teams sported a baby blue ribbon to support men's only diseases? Imagine if schools, government and businesses adopted a policy to preferentially admit White men? There is no such thing as "reverse" racism or sexism. It's just racism and sexism in a different direction.

 

[Wrangler]

I instigated the women's forum because

@Angelina, the point of this thread is not to justify sexism and wokeism on this platform, only to affirm its existence.

There is no conspiracy

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conspire
verb

1 a : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement
accused of conspiring to overthrow the government
conspired to monopolize and restrict trade
b : SCHEME
2: to act in harmony toward a common end
Circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts.
… the sun and the wind conspired to make splinters out of solid wood.
—B. J. Oliphant

That's funny, right there; denying while justifying. LOL I think your post reveals something we are all a bit uncomfortable with; admitting there are benefits to discrimination/prejudice. Once we open the door, there really is no rational stopping point. History shows the pendulum constantly swings back and forth with the goal of achieving harmony but never stops in the middle.

I've given a lot of thought to this topic over the last few decades. It's a natural extension of our nature revealed by the saying "Birds of a feather flock together." It starts as a preference. Then it becomes institutionalized. The Bible is explicit that Israel should only marry others from Israel and Christians should not be unequally yoked with non-christians. Our Lord, himself, admitted, he only came for the people of Israel. Matthew 15:24

Last year I talked to a Black women, a coworker I am friends with, about walking into a room, where I, a White man, am liable to sit next to her, someone my own age, when the room is filled with a bunch of rowdy teens. She agreed. Sexism. Racism. Ageism. What to pivot on next?

I read an article about how our species is hard-wired to be prejudiced through evolution. The example was our ancestors checking why the bushes are moving when out by a campfire at night. Maybe 98% of the time, it is nothing dangerous. Some of us stop checking the bushes. Yet, the fringes, the 2% allow the people to survive who don't become complacent. This invariably causes our species to become more discriminatory and prejudiced with each surviving generation.

Tribalism, fear of "the other" is deeply ingrained in the human condition. No one can doubt that it is possible to find common ground with "the other." Yet, no one should deny that we tend to be more comfortable with those we have more in common with, starting with superficial appearances. Regarding institutions, like CyB, our society rails against what is natural; that the majority rules over the minority, regarding any policy - even discriminatory policies on theologically banned topics, sex restricted forums, etc. But let's not kid ourselves. We are totally conspiring about it. LOL

 

[quietthinker]

Do White people have to ask to have their own, segregated water fountain? Or White only college graduation ceremonies? We either have equal rights or we don't.

Colleges double down on ‘segregated’ graduations amid DEI backlash

Colleges increasingly are offering optional graduation celebrations divided by race, sexuality and income in their first spring commencement season since the Supreme Court overturned affirmative action.

www.washingtontimes.com

Tavern Club to admit women - UPI Archives

The century-old Tavern Club, the last all-male club in Boston, has agreed to open its doors to women, the city Licensing Board said Wednesday....

www.upi.com

Ludtke v. Kuhn

Facts Melissa Ludtke, a sports reporter for Sports Illustrated, along with her employer Time, Inc., challenged a policy issued by Baseball Commissioner

studicata.com

To have a sex based forum is blatantly sexist. Men should not have to ask to not be discriminated against on the basis of sex. Feminists want equal rights, except for when they don't. This sex based entitlement ideology is on display for anyone willing to look.

Meme's are a modern art form. One set of meme's pointed out that our country is so woke, it only removed women and minority likenesses from products, e.g. Aunt Jemima pancake syrup, Uncle Ben's rice, Land 'O Lakes butter, Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians. But it was left on for White men like KFC, Boston Celtics basketball. Such selective outrage epitomizes the woke culture today.

Imagine having WET, White Entertainment Television? Imagine having NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Caucasian People? Imagine having a Republican Caucasian Caucus? Imagine if sport teams sported a baby blue ribbon to support men's only diseases? Imagine if schools, government and businesses adopted a policy to preferentially admit White men? There is no such thing as "reverse" racism or sexism. It's just racism and sexism in a different direction.

What's wrong with you men? If the girls want to have chats without the blokes putting in their piece of pie, let them. They don't need to be castigated for that....or are you fellas so insecure you need to fill an encyclopedia of words because you can't just let them make their choices?

 

[Wrangler]

What's wrong with you men? If the girls want to have chats without the blokes putting in their piece of pie, let them.

Again, either we have equal rights or we don't. Perhaps you down under don't understand freedom and equality. It's not about me letting anyone do anything.

They don't need to be castigated for that.

No one should feel guilty for embracing racism or sexism when there is a benefit to them, right?

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina, the point of this thread is not to justify sexism and wokeism on this platform, only to affirm its existence.

Well, @Wrangler. There will always be wrestling between male and female anywhere, even in the churches, but wokeism? Possibly within individual members. Same with sexism. There is a diversity of members here from different countries, with different cultures and upbringings and Christian beliefs. It's going to happen.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I am not going to respond to that long rant about litigations over interactions on a forum. It's ridiculous.

I will say that the only way to appease the angry men on this forum is to bow down and kiss their feet, agree with them in every thing they say, stroke their ego ....worship Trump ...which I won't do. With that, I will leave this, because I honestly am not interested in interacting with them. I tried so many times just to understand one in particular by writing a PM to see if there was someplace we could come to an understanding, to see if maybe we just misfired somewhere. It's just not in him to do that. It's all or nothing for some men ...agree with them, or you're an evil leftwing woke feminist. Crazy stuff... which is why we need a Women's Only Forum.

Done.

@Angelina @Nancy @Pearl

 

[Pearl]

I am not going to respond to that long rant about litigations over interactions on a forum. It's ridiculous.

I will say that the only way to appease the angry men on this forum is to bow down and kiss their feet, agree with them in every thing they say, stroke their ego ....worship Trump ...which I won't do. With that, I will leave this, because I honestly am not interested in interacting with them. I tried so many times just to understand one in particular by writing a PM to see if there was someplace we could come to an understanding, to see if maybe we just misfired somewhere. It's just not in him to do that. It's all or nothing for some men ...agree with them, or you're an evil leftwing woke feminist. Crazy stuff... which is why we need a Women's Only Forum.

Done.

@Angelina @Nancy @Pearl

Well said that woman.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I will say that the only way to appease the angry men on this forum is to bow down and kiss their feet, agree with them in every thing they say, stroke their ego ....worship Trump ...which I won't do.

Not quite done. Not every man on this forum is as described above. There are several amazingly kind, caring gentleman on this forum who I respect and appreciate very much.

 

[Wrangler]

the only way to appease the angry men on this forum

In the spirit of not being woke, have you ever encountered an angry woman on this forum who demanded to be appeased?

This thread should not devolve into one chimney of wokeness. Bill Maher recently condemned the remake of Snow White. He's disgusted that the Progressives always do this; they find a way to be so Progressive as to be regressive. He was talking about the decision to not cast little people in the role of the "And the 7 dwarfs." Someone who is truly Progressive should want people to get jobs.

It is short sighted to look at an issue one way and the woke media did that in the 2016 election in spades, only talking about Hillary's strengths and Trump's weaknesses. A balanced analysis is the 2 x 2 matrix. That is why when I see posts like above focused on one demographic, I immediately pivot to the complementary demographic. It is invariably less comfortable, which reminds us that we should not be so comfortable casting dispersions on the socially acceptable to blast demographic. I believe this is the Spirit of God who shows no favoritism, right?

For instance, a Black Hollywood star said last year that Black actors are more talented. One wonders what the media response would be like if a White Hollywood star made a similar comment about the superiority of White actors? Getting back to Snow White and woke, Hollywood has a long habit now of casting actors who don't fit the demographic of the fictional character as defined in the source material. In the Original text, Snow White is not Latina. Imagine hiring a White man to play the lead in a film about MLK Jr.?

Wokeness even overtakes historical accuracy. Statue depicting flag-raising at ground zero draws criticism for `political correctness&#39. I think this thread does a good job in asking where will it all end? And does it include us already?

 

[Wrangler]

Have you ever asked for a man’s only forum?

If you guys want a men's-only forum here, you just need to ask.

OK Angelina. I'm formally asking for an American only forum in discussing American politics based on the insight of the post below.

You don't live here, you don't know how things work here, but you are ready to tell us all how to go about it, and how wrongly we've selected our president. Good show!

While the Bible says there is no American or other, no male or female in Christ, we've opened the door to partition which once opened, has no rational ending point.