Happy Sabbath

[DuckieLady]

You'll find those who identify as Christian to dare condemn Sabbath practice because they claim it doesnt apply to Christians,only Jews.

Jesus was a Jew. Many opposed to Sabbath forget that.

They'll arrive with other excuses not to honor God's gift to us.

The Apostles served the Sabbath after Jesus ascended. Gentiles and Jews alike did too.

The Sabbath was made for us. Nowhere in Scripture did Jesus say to stop honoring the Sabbath God gave to honor us and that we then honor him in return.

I was thinking about this earlier. You have a very good point.

Since the Sabbath began from the beginning of creation and continued on throughout the church, there is no possible way that the sabbath would have been eliminated without being mentioned.

It was so deep and embedded within them, it doesn't actually make sense that there wouldn't be an entire chapter of Jesus saying, "You can stop doing that now."

There is no possible way that the apostles who walked with Jesus themselves would have continued practicing, if Christ had told them to stop.

Maybe in our time it isn't common sense, but maybe for them it was already a given, common practice.

Nobody really needs to say what everyone else knows.
Just thinking out loud.

 

[pepper]

I was thinking about this earlier. You have a very good point.

Since the Sabbath began from the beginning of creation and continued on throughout the church, there is no possible way that the sabbath would have been eliminated without being mentioned.

It was so deep and embedded within them, it doesn't actually make sense that there wouldn't be an entire chapter of Jesus saying, "You can stop doing that now."

There is no possible way that the apostles who walked with Jesus themselves would have continued practicing, if Christ had told them to stop.

Maybe in our time it isn't common sense, but maybe for them it was already a given, common practice.

Nobody really needs to say what everyone else knows.
Just thinking out loud.

Agreed.
I've found many who opposed Sabbath practice boast they attend church on Sunday.

Sun-day worship. A practice of Roman pagans and adapted by early Christians in the age old concessiongo along to get along.

Anti-Sabbath arguments are actually indefensible. Thinking a gift God gave man is supplanted by worship on a pagan day instead.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul said, "Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ."

And the Lord and His Apostles NEVER taught anybody to observe Saturday sabbath and that is a FACT.

We came to recieve the gift from the Lord and we will continue.

Under the New Covenant... Saturday sabbath is not a gift from the Lord.

The Apostles served the Sabbath after Jesus ascended. Gentiles and Jews alike did too.

OK so let's see your scriptures from the New Testament... showing where Jesus and His Apostles taught that Christians are to observe Saturday sabbath

And, let's see your scriptures from the New Testament... showing that if one does not observe Saturday sabbath that it's a sin or they will not have rest by abiding IN Christ standing on His promises.

The Apostles had services on SUNDAY in the New Testament


We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Under the New Testament with Jesus Christ as our High Priest we are to die to self (Galatians 2:20) and live IN Christ, thru Christ submitting our entire lives everyday of the week to the Lord because HE is our Rest.

The word sabbath only occurs two times in the New Testament epistles. For the believer today, a sabbath rest is described in Hebrews 4:9 as a moment-by-moment rest by believers in the Lord by faith. This reference contains no commandment concerning which day the church should meet for worship.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Sun-day worship. A practice of Roman pagans and adapted by early Christians in the age old concessiongo along to get along.

So the Apostles met on Sunday and the day of Pentecost was on Sunday.... reckon the Apostles were not actually led by the Holy Spirit and instead were involved in pagan practices?

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Here's the proper and correct sabbath under the New Covenant which has nothing to do with Saturday or Sunday and should be a 24/7 thing for all true believers who abide IN Christ and His Word continually:

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[pepper]

And the Lord and His Apostles NEVER taught anybody to observe Saturday sabbath and that is a FACT.

That's an umbilical falsehood. You also know nothing about Hebrew culture or their calendar.

Your committment to Discordianism is a shame.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That's an umbilical falsehood.

OK, so post the scriptures showing where Jesus and His Apostles instructed New Covenant believers to observe Saturday sabbath

And if this is a thing under the New Covenant than please post scriptures where we are warned that not observing Saturday sabbath is a sin... please.

Your committment to Discordianism is a shame.

So those that speak truth to you have become your enemy?
All you have to say is "I enjoy taking Saturday off and meditate on God's promises" and nothing wrong with that

But claiming others are ignorant of God's will saying Christians are expected to observe Saturday sabbath... when the New Testament does not teach that all at... would be the falsehood.

I'm simply interested in people knowing that Jesus and His Apostles never once instructed anybody to observe Saturday sabbath because this sort of thing leads directly in to getting people to observe and live under the old covenant which has been done away with Jesus Who brought forth the New Covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We are under the Law of Christ now (New Covenant)

Rest under the New Covenant is far superior IN CHRIST than observing Saturday sabbath.

If some want to think Saturday is special to the Lord then they are not following the New Covenant

 

[pepper]

Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in Hebrew scriptures.
He is The Word made flesh. God.
As He told His Disciples,He has other sheep ,Gentiles,not of this flock. (Hebrews-Jews)

We follow a Jewish Messiah. While some insist anything Jewish is not applicable to our journey in Christ.

Pay attention to that sisters and brothers.
The Sabbath was made for us. We were not made for the Sabbath.
We are all one in Christ given He told His anointed Disciples to minister His good news to the Gentiles.

When the Sabbath was first established there was no such thing as Jews. And God's word,as Jesus,who is Lord of the Sabbath, told us the,His,Sabbath was made for man.

Notice? Jesus didn't say, the Sabbath was made for Jews only. The Sabbath was made for man.

Jesus said:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. "

Consider if it would be wise to listen to those God calls the least in His Kingdom.

Those who insist God's Sabbath that God made for man wasn't a gift God gives to men and women in Him. When Heaven and Earth have not passed away.

 

[DuckieLady]

So the Apostles met on Sunday and the day of Pentecost was on Sunday.... reckon the Apostles were not actually led by the Holy Spirit and instead were involved in pagan practices? View attachment 57188

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

Here's the proper and correct sabbath under the New Covenant which has nothing to do with Saturday or Sunday and should be a 24/7 thing for all true believers who abide IN Christ and His Word continually:

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

What do you think about when Jesus said,"Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath."

Why? Why the Sabbath, specifically?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

What do you think about when Jesus said,"Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath."

Why? Why the Sabbath, specifically?

In that instance He is speaking to those living in Jerusalem

When the sign predicted by Daniel (Matthew 24:15) finally happens, those in Jerusalem should run for their lives (Matthew 24:16–19) saying that those on their rooftops should not go back into their homes for supplies and those in the fields should not go back for their clothes. They should simply run—just get away.

Hopefully this doesn't result in a roof top doctrine

 

[DuckieLady]

In that instance He is speaking to those living in Jerusalem

When the sign predicted by Daniel (Matthew 24:15) finally happens, those in Jerusalem should run for their lives (Matthew 24:16–19) saying that those on their rooftops should not go back into their homes for supplies and those in the fields should not go back for their clothes. They should simply run—just get away.

Hopefully this doesn't result in a roof top doctrine View attachment 57222

Okay that's fair. It seems like from what you say you're more against people who say you will go to hell if you don't.

I'm not in that category. We see it as a gift. I don't know if you are retired, but I'm going to assume so. If you're a busy person, you need time with God alone.

You need worship and you need prayer. If you are working with children and one at home having a disability, as I had been over the years, you will do nothing without God and yet you don't have everyday to be with God deeply. But if you don't, you will shatter, very quickly. It is impossible to do it in your own strength. I cannot.

That's the only other way I can explain it to you.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We see it as a gift.

OK, a "gift" not taught in the New Testament....

The New Covenant is based on better promises including better rest, so Saturday sabbath is not something the Lord is involved with anymore since He did away with the old covenant and established the new

That's the only other way I can explain it to you.

Well, none of that is applicable to me... but thanks for your concern.

I walk and live in those better promises the Lord has provided under the New Covenant

 

[DuckieLady]

OK, a "gift" not taught in the New Testament....

The New Covenant is based on better promises including better rest, so Saturday sabbath is not something the Lord is involved with anymore since He did away with the old covenant and established the new





Well, none of that is applicable to me... but thanks for your concern.

I walk and live in those better promises the Lord has provided under the New Covenant View attachment 57267

Okay, that is great. Excellent.

I do not have to be here anymore, thankfully, I plan to go offline for another year at least.

I wish you all the best.

 

[pepper]

Okay that's fair. It seems like from what you say you're more against people who say you will go to hell if you don't.

I'm not in that category. We see it as a gift. I don't know if you are retired, but I'm going to assume so. If you're a busy person, you need time with God alone.

You need worship and you need prayer. If you are working with children and one at home having a disability, as I had been over the years, you will do nothing without God and yet you don't have everyday to be with God deeply. But if you don't, you will shatter, very quickly. It is impossible to do it in your own strength. I cannot.

That's the only other way I can explain it to you.

I don't recall anyone saying someone will go to Hell for not observing the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for us.

What seems to be a constant among certain ones here is the insistence the Sabbath cannot be observed by Christians.

God made the Sabbath for man.

No exclusivity mentioned. I.E the Sabbath was made for Jews.

 

[Jay Ross]

I do not have to be here anymore, thankfully, I plan to go offline for another year at least.

I wish you all the best.

Oh Fluffy, your passion leads you down pathways that are not always healthy for you. Leaving the forum for a year may be helpful for you, but will you grow in maturity as to how to interact with people such that you can make posts and let go of people not getting you. I often think to myself that you sometimes overshare which I sense leaves you vulnerable to receiving poor advice/comments.

I have cut back on posting for my own sanity, because of certain cult denominational members who rise up to protect their own and their chief form of attacking others is to go for the jugular.

Whatever you decide to do, may the Lord still be able to continue His drawing of you into His loving embrace so that you will feel whole and wholesome and fulfilled in whatever you set your mind to do. Most of all, hold on tightly to your relationship with God first, and then to your husband and your children. Let God, your husband and your children be the source of your refreshment.

Shalom

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I have cut back on posting for my own sanity

Sorry to hear some folks have issues controlling their thoughts and don't know how to cast their cares upon the Lord.

You know, stuff the Holy Ghost empowers God's people to be able to do.

 

[Jay Ross]

Sorry to hear some folks have issues controlling their thoughts and don't know how to cast their cares upon the Lord.

You know, stuff the Holy Ghost empowers God's people to be able to do.

Sorry Dan, but it is people like you who put both feet in their mouth before they can stop themselves from making unsolicited post to other members. The post you quoted was not addressed to you nor was your injected input needed.

Goodbye

 

[Lambano]

I'm not in that category. We see it as a gift.

I like your characterization of Shabbat rest as a gift. Which is what it was meant to be.

And Duckie, I don't see that you have to justify your family's choice to observe Shabbat to anybody.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Sorry Dan, but it is people like you who put both feet in their mouth before they can stop themselves from making unsolicited post to other members. The post you quoted was not addressed to you nor was your injected input needed.

When posting in a public forum... you open the door to public comment. We all do.

So you are free to not respond which is something people should do if they have issues controlling their thoughts when others don't agree with everything they say.

 

[Lambano]

OK, a "gift" not taught in the New Testament....

The New Covenant is based on better promises including better rest, so Saturday sabbath is not something the Lord is involved with anymore since He did away with the old covenant and established the new

Well, let's see what the New Testament says:

4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To her own master she stands or falls; and she will stand, for the Lord is able to make her stand.

5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 She who observes the day, observes it for the Lord.... 10 But you, why do you judge your sister? Or you again, why do you regard your sister with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. ... 12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

 

[Lambano]

Sheesh, this is supposed to be the "Praise" forum, not the "Debate" forum.