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ha, well i guess it's all in how you hear. Funny, as i was reading that i natch reflected on my relationship with my father, which was pretty much "metaphorical" lol, at least the way we are using it now. "Metaphor" goes more with "description" of something than "validation" of it, wouldn't you say?
You weren't even born yet, and No Son of Man may die for another has not been annulled bro, sorry. Jesus as you father in this case cannot die "for" your sins, or the whole rest of the Book is useless, and i already know that's not true. Time to break that one up buddy. Imo
K well let's not forget that ol' Josh was not above whipping some ass here and there, k, and pretty much "broke" every single commandment at some point
And it is a certain type of death we are redeemed from...one without a resurrection. I could fall asleep at any time...but it is solely because of the death and resurrection of Christ that the promise of my resurrection is assured, contingent of course on certain other factors, such as repentance, 'dying' to self now, remaining faithful etc etc.
well let's see what the bible say? Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen".
here's your misunderstanding, "JESUS" is the name, and the source. he is without father or mother. what Jesus gave to his diversified self is "BLOOD" which is the Life of the flesh, see Leviticus 17:11.
What are you on man....?again we disagree with your assessment. if YHWH gave his angel the word concerning our Lord let's see if the bible say this.
let's go to the source, the angel knows who sent him to John, but let's get the scripture first. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (YHWH) gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John".
so according to you God here is YHWH who sent the angel to John, well let's see if the bible say that. let's see who the angel said sent him. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done". here the angel that was sent told John this.
the angel said the "Lord God" sent him. and according to you, it's the YHWH, or the Father right. well let the bible speak as we will see who sent the angel. same chapter verses 16, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star".
well Apak the bible don't agree with you, neither do we.... the Lord Jesus (who you say YHWH) sent the angel
do you know what that means? you told a falshood.
it was the "Lord" Jesus who sent his angel, the "Lord God" of the Holy prophets. yes the Lord God of Genesis. .... (smile)...
Now Apak you're in a dilemma, do you want to keep down that path or come to the LIGHT.... (smile). so now your YHWH is the God of the OT... including Genesis who is JESUS ........ (smile). so you have been reproved by the bible, so don't argue with 101G argue with God..... (smile).
now you want to try the Revelation chapter 4 & 5 question? is the person sitting on the throne the same person who is Standing, the Lamb. your choice to answer or not. ;)
PICJAG.
PS it appears you don't know who is in revelation 1:1-8.
I don't believe there is any error in my confidence that the Father and Son are two separate individual beings.
No, as an archetype, a High Priest, He was a Son of Man i guess, a subtly different thing. But aren't we called to be Priests? Aren't we supposed to become One, as We are One? You can't serve Two Masters, right? So when i Quote from the Bible that No Son of Man may die for another's sins and you reply with "But," after Christ plainly IDed Himself as such, then what are you doing? Are you a son of God or not, bl? Whose will are you following there?
Pls contemplate women should not speak in Church in that context if you will, not that i can talk
So iow the Naive Dialectic still eludes you, bl? What is it you're sick of that, want some meat, do you? I certainly understand, ok, i mean one does not have to read me for long to see that i am a meat eater too, huh. I prolly spend more time here thanking God i can edit some of my bites out than actually replying lol.
When I said He was more than just a Son of man, I was alluding to His Sonship of God...and not as a human, but in His pre-incarnation state before the world was. And yes, He was a Priest, offering Himself, …
man, i feel for you g, got two eyes and won't use one? Well i guess you don't have to, ok, you keep looking up into the sky ok and i don't even blame you, you paid damn good money for that assurance i guess. But what about the other half of the Bible that Says, too? Doesn't it bother you even a little that That has been taken from you, g? That we cannot even discuss that half? Every eye will see Him, though, I agree with you there. Better get to gouging i guess huh. Women should be silent in Church, g.
Irl we humor certain ppl, children, until they see a certain thing, but in forums i dunno how to do that yet. Irl denial is more apparent; here it is easily covered up by ignoring and lack of witnesses. Guess maybe witnessing here might be better than bashing ones head against the wall, maybe i'll try that for a while. It's not like i have anything to say that anyone much wants to hear anyway, right? :)
first we're on nothing but your ignorance of the word of God. second no one but you are twisting scripture, and confusing yourself... LOL. let's us show you out of your OWN MOUTH your ERRORS. you said, "Lord, God or Lord God means YHWH or 'God' the Almighty one, or Jesus' Father". we highlighted "Lord God" in your statement. the angel who was sent said the "Lord God" of the Holy Prophets sent him. the holy Prophets means OT as well as NT prophets. so the angle clearly identifies the "Lord God" as the one who sent him. you said "the Lord God" is YHWH, the Almighty, Jesus Father. well the Bible says the one who sent his angel is ...... Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star".
(smile), are you a quitter? ....
or you an overcomer? ... (smile). if what you have to say is so above our heads then why not become like the apostle Paul. come down to our level and make it plain. but a warning, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith".
no joke, just having fun, I love this, my God I do love this. I have so much fun with false prophets, is so much fun. their ignorance gives me a rush. it just makes me more stronger.
so He "was" a Priest, offering Himself, and He commands...or i guess "commanded," past tense, to you, that anyone who wanted to be His disciple must pick up their own cross and follow, while you, "we," accept Jesus as a Sacrificial Offering, is this right?
what, and you think that was not obvious? I have to ask why didn't you just answer the Q, being as how you seem to be so confident in your knowledge? Don't you want to be perceived as a teacher, a leader, bl? I am a student, asking a question, and you are going to ask me stuff? That is not even relevant to my question, but another concept entirely?
dunno what's wrong with I desire mercy, not sacrifice myself!
ah, i must have written poorly. Christ died for my sin, when i, specifically, killed Him, like "we" all do, from a young age, imo i guess.
as a 180 from your view of baptism, is the best way i know to put it bl. You sure are redacting a lot of my post bl, don't you have better stuff to do than lead a lost cause like me bro? What is it?
