God is Still Protecting Israel

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Is this “divine intervention” or is it a more sinister deception?

Is today’s “Israel” protected by God when she does what her forefathers did in seeking the protection and assistance of foreign nations, whose worship she despises?

Does Israel love “Christianity” or is it a religion she especially feels is a wicked apostasy? In speaking to many modern day Jews, I get the impression that they do not think well of Westerners who put faith in Jesus as Messiah….it makes them bristle.
Still chained to the Law of Moses, they prove every day what a “curse” it always was to them, as not a soul could keep the Law perfectly.

Gal 3:10, 13, 23-25…
All those who depend on works of law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not remain in all the things written in the scroll of the Law by doing them.”. . . “Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a tree.”. . .
”However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. 24 So the Law became our guardian leading to Christ, so that we might be declared righteous through faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a guardian.”


Did the Law lead that nation to Christ? Has it ever?
When the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah and had him put to death, God abandoned that nation to the world that was violently alienated from him. (Matt 23:37-39) By their bloodshed, in retaliation for the bloodshed imposed on them, do they reflect Christ’s teachings or do they still hate Christians, except when they can curry favor with them for their own selfish purposes? If they are still under Law, they are not saved….the curse of the Law itself condemns them.

If YAHWEH was still supporting Israel, they would not need the alliances of foreign nations. He is all they ever needed, but their long and disgraceful history of disobedience and willful rebellion, shows that they have long left their God and rely on the weapons and technology of other nations to protect them.

Who was it that corrupted Judaism? Who accused Jesus of performing his miracles with the power of the devil? It was the devil who corrupted Israel, repeatedly leading them off into false worship. God kept correcting them until his purpose in connection with them was fulfilled, they produced his Messiah….and after they committed the final despicable act….he abandoned them.

Who today wants people to believe that God still supports that nation of disobedient ones who, to this day, hate Christianity?
 
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Is this “divine intervention” or is it a more sinister deception?
Check the history of Isreal's wars since 1948. Divine intervention obviously!

God has promises He's going to keep.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Did the sun rise today? Did you see the moon and the stars last night?

37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Have you been to the center of the earth? Stretched a tape measure across the heavens?

What is it that Israel has done that has caused YHWH to cast them off?

Because God said that wasn't going to happen. You seem busy looking at Israel's behavior, meanwhile, you overlook the promise of God.

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Israel? True Israel protects it's self in fact ! that means true Christianity in fact !

The State of Israel is another thing, the hope is that it will one day become Israel !

Regarding of the State of Israel, PM Ben has saved it so far ! but a lot of Jews within the State are atheist or not even worthy of the OT in fact ! That's why Mosard let the Terrorist attack Israel, because of the Talmud Socialist within are fools ! who think that going down the idiot path of a so called two State is a solution ?

The Whole War waged on the State of Israel is created by the Socialist in fact ! clearly all Helped by Joe Biden and his Mob and it's MSM Whores cunning ! Just as we have seen the cunning Warfair played against Trump 24/7 !
Not to mention the War in Ukraine is all a creation of the same Mob in fact !

Zelensky calles the State of Israel, small Israel ! that's a fact ! and he calles Ukraine big Israel ! that's a fact !
The key to such as Zelensky and Co is that they want to undermine the State of Israel in fact ! and make Ukraine the new Israel.

Zelensky is not a worthy Jew of the the OT at all but a bastard type of so called Jew, like the Golden Calf Mob ? who back in Hitlers day were who hitler was doing their bidding in fact ! The Nazis follow along with a lot of the Talmuds racal prejudice and much of all the same madness in fact !
That's why Zelensky has all of his Nazi mates within his Party in fact and that's why the MSM turns a blind eye to the Nazis within all of this crap !

The worlds Media never gave a rats about the people of Ukraine back when the Communist starved millions of Ukraine people to death !

It's the workings of the Talmud that is the most Evil organisation on earth ! and it's nothing truly to do with the worthy Jews at all in fact !

The Talmud created Communism to it's own ends, as was the Nazi load of BS insanity was all of their workings in fact !
WhenI looked into the Talmud books and I found that everything lines up with all of the insanity in line with all of the Communism and Nazi Evil in fact and even worst in fact !

We have to expose the Talmud for what it truly is and Communism and Nazis and Political Correctness, Socialism and Cultural Marxism as it's all the workings of Satanist !
Billions of people are set to be killed by their working, let alone who have been killed from the start of the Golden Calf on !
It's this Mob who created COVID and the idiot Jabs and the dominance of such companys lording it over the peoples Nations, just like a Tyrant does in fact, they see you all as Mushrooms ! and cept in the dark and fed crap.

Socialist are all Mushrooms ! they bow down to Tyrants in fact and are just spineless fools who have no fundamental Virtue in fact because they are gutless dupes who idolise mans works in fact ! They are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact ! Period !
 

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I find it strange that people believe in Gods blessing yet will not believe in the consquence of rejecting God.

I wonder just how many of you actually know about Moses and his declaration of blessings for the keeping of the law and his declaration of curses for Israel not keeping the law.

Question. Is Israel following God or is it an atheistic secular state?
 

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It is Gods holy-land and Israel must be there for the end time - God restored them to the land.Everything in revelations happens in Israel.

Israel never should of won the six day war they couldn't even believe it an impossible victory.7 countries 6 armies attacking from every direction not only did they win but they got back all the land and more.A complete and humiliating defeat by Israel against 7 enemy countries.The enemy air-force was wiped out.The Israel soldiers said all the bombs and missiles missed their target and landed in the open desert.The first strike devastated the enemy and they never recovered. Gods hand was there or Israel would not be there today..

The Six-Day War began with a preemptive Israeli air assault in Egypt and Syria. An Israeli ground offensive was also launched in the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank. These territories were all captured by Israel, though the Sinai Peninsula was later returned to Egypt.
 
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What is it that Israel has done that has caused YHWH to cast them off?
They only murdered his son…the one he sent to save them….

What has Israel done in their entire history but cause offense to the one who chose them?

What did God say to Moses when he was in the mountain….Jehovah informed him that the people had turned to idolatry and he said: “Now let me be, that my anger may blaze against them and I may exterminate them, and let me make youinto a great nation.”

”Exterminate” is a very strong word, indicating the depth of his displeasure with his people….but this was just the start of their rebelliousness. We actually learn more about God through his discipline to Israel than in his blessings. They teach us through their failings what God required of his people and what he will not tolerate.
Because God said that wasn't going to happen. You seem busy looking at Israel's behavior, meanwhile, you overlook the promise of God.
What was the promise of God to Israel? And were the fleshly Jews ever a good example of obedience?
Did they ever learn from their mistakes or did they just continue to be that “stiff necked” people they had always been throughout their generations?

What spiritual condition did Jesus find his nation in, when he presented himself for baptism?
During his entire ministry, exclusively to the Jews, he did not have a good thing to say about the Jewish leadership, who turned the people against their own Messiah because he didn’t fulfill their expectations about who the Messiah would be and what he would do. Read Matt ch 23.

The literal nation has never changed in their attitude towards Christianity, and so it was Paul who told us that God chose a new “Israel”….not a nation born of the flesh, but one united nation of people from every nation, who would make up what he called “the Israel of God”. (Gal 6:16)

It was Paul who also said of this people that the definition of a “Jew” had changed…
“He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code.”
Consequently, after expressing sorrow because his Jewish brothers according to the flesh came short of their privileges regarding the “adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants,” Paul says: “However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.’ Neither because they are Abraham’s seed [according to the flesh] are they all children, but: ‘What will be called “your seed” will be through Isaac.’ That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed.” (Rom 2:28-29; Rom 9:6-8)

Spiritual “Israel” are the ones who follow the Christ and who are obedient to his God and Father….
It is the devil who has people imagining that the blood spilling literal nation of Israel are still servants of the true God, but by their conduct, they prove the opposite. If God was backing Israel, they would have no need to rely on foreign nations to support them….the very thing their forefathers did which earned God’s condemnation.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well that the place of worship is not important. God’s worship would no longer be confined to a literal place on earth, now polluted with blood.
He said: “The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.”
Then he told her: “The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.” (John 4:21, 23, 24)

Jesus lamented over his efforts to teach his people the truth….and the fact that his people were incorrigible.
”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you. 39 For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’” He was quoting Psalm 118:26, which contains the Tetragrammaton.

In the last 2000 years, has natural Israel ever blessed the one who came ‘in the name of their God’…a name they had long since refused to utter….but there was never a command from Jehovah to ever do so. It was yet another act of disobedience. (Exodus 3:15)

You are looking in the wrong place for the “Israel of God”…..fleshly Israel was abandoned many centuries ago.
 
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It is Gods holy-land and Israel must be there for the end time - God restored them to the land.Everything in revelations happens in Israel.
Read my reply to @marks above….
There is nothing “holy“ about the land occupied by the fleshly nation of Israel.

There are three “Abrahamic” religions fighting over this desecrated piece of land, so polluted with blood that it is now offensive to the God who gifted it to his people, and who, by their obedience could still occupy it in peace, if only they could have done as they were told……but they never did, so what we see taking place in that region, has nothing to do with God….any seeming victories are not from the true God, but can be used by “the god of this world” who drives the politics that create wars. (1 John 5:19)
He creates many distractions to promote his deceptions. Have you fallen for them?
 
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They only murdered his son…the one he sent to save them….

What has Israel done in their entire history but cause offense to the one who chose them?
So how does this affect God's promise??

Jeremiah 31:37 KJV
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Yes, Israel has done things that many would cast them away for, apparently including you. Just the same, God's promise recognizes Israel's bad behavior, and tells us that's not the criteria.

God's promise stands, and His challenge to you - Aunty Jane - is that you either - choose one - you either visit the center of the earth, and stretch out a tape measure across heaven above, Or, you accept that God has not cast off all of the seed of Israel.

That's your choice. It seems to me you refuse to do either. So where does that leave you??

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He creates many distractions to promote his deceptions. Have you fallen for them?
The biggest modern day deception being promoted here is that God promised through many prophets the preservation of the nation of Israel, and the messege today is, at least from you, that God didn't keep His promise. I believe you are fully mistaken, and the reason I believe that is that I fully believe God's word, for what it says, not what unbelievers say about it.

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So how does this affect God's promise??

Jeremiah 31:37 KJV
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Yes, Israel has done things that many would cast them away for, apparently including you. Just the same, God's promise recognizes Israel's bad behavior, and tells us that's not the criteria.

God's promise stands, and His challenge to you - Aunty Jane - is that you either - choose one - you either visit the center of the earth, and stretch out a tape measure across heaven above, Or, you accept that God has not cast off all of the seed of Israel.

That's your choice. It seems to me you refuse to do either. So where does that leave you??
Read all the parts in red even if you ignore the rest…..
God chose a new “Israel” that included both natural Jews and gentiles who became disciples of Christ….and true worship, according to Jesus has nothing to do with geography.

All who are saved have rested their faith in Christ’s sacrifice…..the natural Jews even up to the present day, still deny him.
Natural Israel was replaced by a new ”Israel” and Jerusalem was also replaced by a “new Jerusalem”….the promises of God therefore still stand.

Don’t believe me…believe the apostle Paul.
 

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The biggest modern day deception being promoted here is that God promised through many prophets the preservation of the nation of Israel, and the messege today is, at least from you, that God didn't keep His promise. I believe you are fully mistaken, and the reason I believe that is that I fully believe God's word, for what it says, not what unbelievers say about it.
You got the truth from God’s word but you deny it because it’s not what you want to believe….that is your choice.
 
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I find it strange that people believe in Gods blessing yet will not believe in the consquence of rejecting God.

I wonder just how many of you actually know about Moses and his declaration of blessings for the keeping of the law and his declaration of curses for Israel not keeping the law.

Question. Is Israel following God or is it an atheistic secular state?
Before or after the great tribulation? It's in that day that they will say Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

Just as some disbelieve that God will preserve His born again children into the age to come, some disbelieve that God would preserve Israel, His chosen nation, into the age to come. Both were promised by God, and He keeps His promises.

Do you not see that Israel has been cursed by God for many centuries, you don't see that as the consequence of their actions?

Yes I know about the blessings and cursings, and shall we also discuss the LORD's salvation of His people?

You trust in Jesus and endeavor to serve Him, is what I think. But before you did, you were lawless, in unbelief, hostile to God, or so says the Bible. I know that described me.

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You got the truth from God’s word but you deny it because it’s not what you want to believe….that is your choice.
I've got the truth but I don't want to believe it? Is that really what you think? I'm the guy that's pointing to the Scriptures and saying, Believe what it says.

But if you choose to post that I'm intellectually dishonest, and I'm not actually interested in truth, don't even bother to post a reply, nothing you say will have any value to me, these kind of comments show one's desire to win, or score points, it's not germain to the discussion, at BEST, it represents your opinions of your perceptions of me, someone you've never actually even met. Much less are you qualified to judge my motivations.

Much love!
 
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Read all the parts in red even if you ignore the rest…..
God chose a new “Israel” that included both natural Jews and gentiles who became disciples of Christ….and true worship, according to Jesus has nothing to do with geography.

All who are saved have rested their faith in Christ’s sacrifice…..the natural Jews even up to the present day, still deny him.
Natural Israel was replaced by a new ”Israel” and Jerusalem was also replaced by a “new Jerusalem”….the promises of God therefore still stand.

Don’t believe me…believe the apostle Paul.
So then your assertion is that because you understand certain parts of the Bible in a certain way, that means certain other parts don't really mean what they say.

I'd sooner say that when you have that kind of internal conflict in the Scriptures, so that you cannot accept some parts as written, then you need to go back to how you interpret those other parts.

I do not believe that a correct understanding of Scripture will mean that you are negating any part of it.

40 days and then judgment, but that was withdrawn (Jonah/Ninevah) because they repented, and how do we know this? Because Scripture tells us.

Romans 10:20-11:2 KJV
20) But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21) But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
1) I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

You mentioned Paul, here he writes that God has not in fact cast away His people, even citing Isaiah's prophecies against the people. And he goes on to make a demonstration of who these "people" were, citing that he himself is an Israelite, seed of Abraham, tribe of Benjamin. No "Spiritual Israel" here.

And again Paul affirms that God has not cast away His people.

Just as He had promised, many times before.

You say that they deny God, don't all unbelievers before they are come to salvation??

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"The element of danger was great in that were the truck to be hit by enemy fire, the subsequent explosions of all the ammo would bring down all the buildings in the area on their inhabitants. Suddenly the whistling of an approaching enemy shell was heard, and the shell, indeed, scored a direct hit on the vehicle.

But the Arab shell did not explode. It remained perched atop the pile of Israeli shells in the truck."


Much love!
 

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40 days and then judgment, but that was withdrawn (Jonah/Ninevah) because they repented, and how do we know this? Because Scripture tells us.
You do understand that the Ninevites were not Israelites? These were just incredibly wicked people, like the ones who inhabited the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah….but these ones got a warning that those sinful city’s inhabitants did not. No God believers there.

What about the pre-flood inhabitants whose wickedness was enhanced by the demonic activity that was rife in the earth at that time? They got a warning but ignored it until the water started swirling around their knees…..that was given as an example by Jesus himself as to what to expect at the time of his return. (Matt 24:37-39) How many God believers among that lot?
Romans 10:20-11:2 KJV
20) But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21) But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
1) I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2) God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
God’s obligation to Israel ended with their producing of the Messiah. That is what the nation was kept in existence for…..to fulfill prophesy. God chose a nation from which his savior would come and Abraham’s descendants were the ones he chose….because of his special relationship with this man who alone was called “Jehovah’s friend”.
Israel were not special to God because of their conduct, which at times infuriated him and caused him to want them “exterminate” them. But he gave his word to Abraham and he would not break it.

Once his purpose was fulfilled in Israel, he abandoned them to their disobedience and threw them back into the nations where they now carry on their bloodshed on polluted ground. Their alliances with foreign nations proves that God is not with them.
You mentioned Paul, here he writes that God has not in fact cast away His people, even citing Isaiah's prophecies against the people. And he goes on to make a demonstration of who these "people" were, citing that he himself is an Israelite, seed of Abraham, tribe of Benjamin. No "Spiritual Israel" here.
Paul identified “the Israel of God“ as those who were followers of Christ….Not just God believers, but believers in the God that Jesus came to teach them…..not the God their religious leaders had taught them. (John 15:7-9)

Paul is the one who wrote…
“He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code.”. . . . “However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.’ Neither because they are Abraham’s seed [according to the flesh] are they all children, but: ‘What will be called “your seed” will be through Isaac.’ That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed.” (Rom 2:28-29; Rom 9:6-8)

As I said…don’t believe me…believe Paul who gave a perfectly clear explanation of how God’s promises are fulfilled as he stated…..he simply changed the definition of what it meant to be “Jewish”….a new “Israel” who would follow through on the instructions given by God’s son.
And again Paul affirms that God has not cast away His people.
Paul was the one who showed us who the real “Israel of God” were…..NOT just fleshly Jews who were still under the Law that Christ abolished, but those freed from the curse of the Law because they accepted Christ as their savior.
Paul is the one who explained the replacement…..so, who are God’s people today? Not fleshly Israel….it is spiritual Israel. The Jews, unlike people of the nations, have no excuse to offer God, for rejecting their Messiah. They are not “unbelievers” in God, but simply those who deny Christ as the savior. They wrote their own sad and sorry history and God has no further obligation to them because they knew better.
There is no basis upon which to forgive those who fail to accept Jesus as the Christ, because their scripture was all about him.

This does not discount individuals of the Jewish nation who come to Christ before “the end”….Jehovah welcomes all who accept the willing sacrifice that Jesus made on their behalf…..so time will tell how many among them come on board before the curtain is brought down on this whole mess…..the nation as a whole will not.…and as Jesus said Jerusalem (Mt Zion) is no longer the seat of God’s worship….people of all nations come to God under the rulership of “new Jerusalem”, which is on a “heavenly Mt Zion”.

“Types and shadows” showed us how it would be.

You say that they deny God, don't all unbelievers before they are come to salvation??
Are Jews as a nation, “unbelievers” in the same sense that the people of the gentiles nations were? Did they have a single excuse to reject Jesus, other than the fact that their wicked leadership led them down a wrong path?
Its happening again with Christendom. The devil has no new tricks because the old ones still work so well for him….
 
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Jeremiah 31:31-37 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Israel remains a nation before God. Not everyone agrees, but your disagreement is with God. Just read the above until you believe it. And there are many more like it.

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Gee. Really?

The thing is, I'm here for serious discussion.

So, enough of this.
Interesting reply….why do you think I am here?
Enough of what?

What does the story of Jonah teach us about Jehovah? And is the account all about Nineveh…or Jonah, seeing as how the Ninevites later reverted to their wicked ways, warranting their destruction again.

It was some years after Assyrian King Sennacherib had been murdered at Nineveh in the house of his god Nisroch that the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah again foretold the destruction of that wicked city.

Their prophecies were fulfilled when the combined forces of Nabopolassar the king of Babylon and of Cyaxares the Mede besieged and captured Nineveh. The city was evidently subjected to burning, for many Assyrian reliefs show damage or stain from fire and accompanying smoke.

The Babylonian Chronicle on Nineveh’s destruction reports: “They carried off the vast booty of the city and the temple (and) [turned] the city into a ruin heap.” (Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, by A. Grayson, 1975, p. 94) To this day Nineveh is a desolate waste, and in the spring, flocks graze near or atop the mound of Kuyunjik.

So the whole story is really about Jonah, and his attitude, not just that of the wicked inhabitants of that city. Jonah humbly wrote his whole story and exposed his human failings, and what he learned about obedience to his God. Jehovah too demonstrated his acceptance of repentance in both cases…..but with the inhabitants of the city, they failed to live up to their repentance….Jonah on the other hand, learned obedience through his repentance.

All Bible subjects are open to serious discussion…..no?
 
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