God is Against Spanking Children

[-Phil]

Only a bum would be against spanking ;)

We’re talking about kids here Scott, not wives. (Or husbands, if you will.)

In that twisted logic, the cross would be child abuse

How so?

Beating childnren is not abuse. NOT beating them is abuse.


Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Ps 23:14

The Good News is there’s no soul and no hell. The rough to digest news is folks use those beliefs as justification to harm each other unnecessarily.

You advocate only government commit such crimes or what?

No. I suggest conceptualization is put aside in favor of the self-evident common sense of no longer harming or hurting each other.
I also suggest harming & violence begets harming & violence, and that it starts in the household long before it is seen in any organizations or governments. ‘They know not what they do’, because they exemplify as they were exemplified to. I also suggest alternative methods which imo are far more conducive to common sense, unity and collective prosperity.

This is why all civilised governments have abolished their police and military. So, they won't be accused of assaulting anyone. Is that right?

Unfortunately, at present this is not the case. Governments have murdered more innocent people than non-government individuals. The number for the 20th century is estimated to be 262 million.

This Is the Number of Innocent People Murdered by Governments. Are You Anti-State Yet?

Being antigovernment is the logical result of taking a close look at the state and its bloody works.

reason.com

 

[Wrangler]

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Ps 23:14

The Good News is there’s no soul and no hell.

You call yourself a Christian? The Bible says there is a hell - and beating kids with a rod will prevent them from going to hell. But you know better. This, you have the audacity to displace Christ with in referring to as the Good News?!

 

[Wrangler]

self-evident common sense of no longer harming or hurting each other.

You are lost, friend.

1st, there is a difference between harm and hurt. If my granddaughter runs toward the street as a speeding car is about to hit her, and I grab her arm, pulling it out of it's socket, I have hurt her. However, to NOT impose this hurt would have resulted in the last full measure of harm.

2nd, the world philosophies have always relied upon 'self-evident common sense' in defiance of God Word @ Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Socialism always begins with free healthcare and always ends with people dumster diving for food.

3rd, it is folly to attempt to live a life void of harm and hurt. Such 'self-evident common sense' leads to the infantilizing of adults who lack any coping skills whatsoever.

4th, pain, physical pain felt immediately upon acting stupidly is not just good parenting, it's God's way found in nature.

I also suggest harming & violence begets harming & violence, and that it starts in the household long before it is seen in any organizations or governments.

Friend, you have been indoctrinated to limit your conception of reality to only what is man-made. We live in a dangerous world, forever ruled by the effective use of violence. While you think you are advocating 'self-evident common sense,' you are advocating foolishness. The world is less violent now than ever. Yet, people like you have less tolerance for violence necessary to remain civilized. Study settles the score on whether the modern world is less violent


Make sure no predator makes you his prey through some misleading philosophy and empty deception based on traditions fabricated by mere mortals. These are sourced in the elementary principles originating in this world and not in the Anointed One (so don’t let their talks capture you).
Colossians 2:8 VOICE

 

[-Phil]

You call yourself a Christian? The Bible says there is a hell - and beating kids with a rod will prevent them from going to hell. But you know better. This, you have the audacity to displace Christ with in referring to as the Good News?!

I am.

I don’t know better, I simply feel, as do you. Not harming is therein the common sense. The common sense, the infinitude of ‘feeling’ as it were is The Good News. I also understand that adults can only employ what they’ve learned. The violence way of the world is the violence way learned in childhood. It all starts in the household, as children.

 

[-Phil]

You are lost, friend.

The judgement is your own.

1st, there is a difference between harm and hurt. If my granddaughter runs toward the street as a speeding car is about to hit her, and I grab her arm, pulling it out of it's socket, I have hurt her. However, to NOT impose this hurt would have resulted in the last full measure of harm.

This is a change of context.

Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally as a means of discipline?
That would be child abuse.

2nd, the world philosophies have always relied upon 'self-evident common sense' in defiance of God Word @ Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Socialism always begins with free healthcare and always ends with people dumster diving for food.

This is another change of context.
I’m not suggesting what is ‘right’, nor socialism.

3rd, it is folly to attempt to live a life void of harm and hurt. Such 'self-evident common sense' leads to the infantilizing of adults who lack any coping skills whatsoever.

I did not and am not suggesting the world is void of harming & hurting, only that in accordance with common sense it could be.
I’m not suggesting an ‘infantilizing of adults’, on the contrary I’m suggesting quite the opposite.
It sounds like you’re suggesting harming and or hurting others is a coping skill. I’m not suggesting any coping.

4th, pain, physical pain felt immediately upon acting stupidly is not just good parenting, it's God's way found in nature.

This judgement is also yours.

Friend, you have been indoctrinated to limit your conception of reality to only what is man-made.

I am.

We live in a dangerous world, forever ruled by the effective use of violence.

Forever is a conceptualization. There is only now, and all possibilities of change therein. Any indoctrination is limiting and preventative of change which is in accordance with feeling, or the common sense.

While you think you are advocating 'self-evident common sense,' you are advocating foolishness.

This judgement is also yours.

The world is less violent now than ever. Yet, people like you have less tolerance for violence necessary to remain civilized. Study settles the score on whether the modern world is less violent

‘People like you’ is your judgement.

Make sure no predator makes you his prey through some misleading philosophy and empty deception based on traditions fabricated by mere mortals. These are sourced in the elementary principles originating in this world and not in the Anointed One (so don’t let their talks capture you).
Colossians 2:8 VOICE

There is no philosophy, deception, talks, anointed one’s, or anything based on any traditions being suggested here.

 

[Wrangler]

This is a change of context.

Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally as a means of discipline?
That would be child abuse.

Not really. I'm putting INTO CONTEXT what you are vaguely equating, hurt from harm.

 

[Wrangler]

I’m not suggesting what is ‘right’, nor socialism.

I did not and am not suggesting the world is void of harming & hurting, only that in accordance with common sense it could be.

The theoretical utopia is socialism. Maybe you don't even realize you've been so indoctrinated with it.

 

[Wrangler]

It sounds like you’re suggesting harming and or hurting others is a coping skill. I’m not suggesting any coping.

Not suggesting any coping IS the infantalizing of adults and children alike.

I think you know I am suggesting is a coping skill. Not getting what you want - and dealing with it effectively is a coping skill. This includes wanting no hurt or harm to come your way. It is part of life. It's time to put your big boy pants on and deal.

 

[Wrangler]

4th, pain, physical pain felt immediately upon acting stupidly is not just good parenting, it's God's way found in nature.

This judgement is also yours.

No. It's not a judgement but an observation. If you did not get an ass whooping when you climbed a tree as a kid and stubbornly do it again, rather than your parent imposing punishment, gravity will. Only outside the protective graces of your parents, nature may put an end to your foolishness.

Maybe you consider death to not be harmful?

 

[Wrangler]

Forever is a conceptualization. There is only now, and all possibilities of change therein. Any indoctrination is limiting and preventative of change which is in accordance with feeling, or the common sense.

What foolishness! Not only do you disregard history, you disregard nature. It is not just human nature but the way of life on Earth to realize We live in a dangerous world, forever ruled by the effective use of violence.

One of the myths taught today is that violence is not the answer.

Violence is the answer most of the time. Study coming between a momma bear and her cub. I look forward to the report on your research. ;)

 

[Wrangler]

While you think you are advocating 'self-evident common sense,' you are advocating foolishness.

This judgement is also yours.

Again, it is not a judgement but an observation. In this case, an observation of what you are promoting defying what is in Scripture.

 

[Wrangler]

‘People like you’ is your judgement.

Yup. People like you who cannot cope with the violence in the world even though it is less violent than ever.

 

[Wrangler]

There is no philosophy, deception, talks, anointed one’s, or anything based on any traditions being suggested here.

You obviously do not know who the anointed one is. I suggest you study up on it for your life depends on it.

 

[-Phil]

Not really. I'm putting INTO CONTEXT what you are vaguely equating, hurt from harm.

Your analogy changed the context quite a bit.
Hurting your children harms them psychologically & emotionally.

The theoretical utopia is socialism. Maybe you don't even realize you've been so indoctrinated with it.

I’m not familiar with socialism. This is heaven.

Not suggesting any coping IS the infantalizing of adults and children alike.

I think you know I am suggesting is a coping skill. Not getting what you want - and dealing with it effectively is a coping skill. This includes wanting no hurt or harm to come your way. It is part of life. It's time to put your big boy pants on and deal.

I suggest understanding. Specifically, understanding the emotions experienced rather than being reactional, which all harm is, especially child abuse, and then learning how to cope.

No. It's not a judgement but an observation. If you did not get an ass whooping when you climbed a tree as a kid and stubbornly do it again, rather than your parent imposing punishment, gravity will. Only outside the protective graces of your parents, nature may put an end to your foolishness.

Observation & gravity are without judgement. No one is advocating foolishness here, those are your words.

Maybe you consider death to not be harmful?

Death is a belief, the believing of which has a lot to do with ignorance and reactionary harmful behaviors. Even the way you communicate here is already accusatory and violent. It only reveals you do not know ‘who’ you actually are, and have not inspected why you feel as you do. If you did, you’d not believe in death, and you’d never intentionally hurt or harm any one.

What foolishness! Not only do you disregard history, you disregard nature. It is not just human nature but the way of life on Earth to realize We live in a dangerous world, forever ruled by the effective use of violence.

One of the myths taught today is that violence is not the answer.

Violence is the answer most of the time. Study coming between a momma bear and her cub. I look forward to the report on your research. ;)

Violence begets violence.
Humans are nothing like animals. Don’t take my word for this, inspect direct experience. Find out just how different ‘they’ are.

Again, it is not a judgement but an observation. In this case, an observation of what you are promoting defying what is in Scripture.

Foolishness and defying scripture are judgements. These judgements, or conditions, are yours. There is no suggestion here that you change. The suggestion is inspection. Discovering who you really are.

Yup. People like you who cannot cope with the violence in the world even though it is less violent than ever.

You assume much. You walk by me everyday yet don’t see me at all.
‘People like you’ begets division, and therein harm & violence.
You see our differences, but do you see there is truly none?
You might be dreaming all of this right now, unaware that you even are, believing in separation… yet to actually inspect.

You obviously do not know who the anointed one is. I suggest you study up on it for your life depends on it.

The anointed one is in fact simply not two.

 

[Wrangler]

Your analogy changed the context quite a bit.
Hurting your children harms them psychologically & emotionally.

No it doesn’t as I just explained the difference between hurt and harm. Stop expecting life to meet infantilized expectations.

 

[-Phil]

No it doesn’t as I just explained the difference between hurt and harm. Stop expecting life to meet infantilized expectations.

there is a difference between harm and hurt. If my granddaughter runs toward the street as a speeding car is about to hit her, and I grab her arm, pulling it out of it's socket, I have hurt her. However, to NOT impose this hurt would have resulted in the last full measure of harm.

Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally to discipline her?

 

[Wrangler]

Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally to discipline her?

I think you want to distract from the morally righteous and Biblically commanded tool of corporal punishment, not wanting to differentiate between hurt and harm.

Another example of this differentiation is when a parent loving takes a splinter out of a child's finger. It hurts! But not tending to the wound would harm the child in the long run. By over-protecting against you abuse, you put pressure to neglect. Most significantly, neglect the child's moral development.

Even in my previous example of the child running into the street, my intention was not to pull her arm out of the socket. That was merely incidental to my intention to prevent harm. My commitment to the child's best interest includes hurting her IF it means preventing her from harm. For most parents who ever lived, this includes correcting their character. Hence, Proverb Ps 23:14 to beat the child with a rod. As it reads, it is a command. The intention is to prevent the child from going to hell. I noticed you did not comment on this proverb. Why is that?

Now, an infantalized adult may conclude that I did harm her by pulling her arm out of the socket. This punishes good parenting. This punishes the good in the world, as it gives no credit to life saving action. It offends theoretical socialists idealistic utopia.

God's Word puts the burden on children to obey. Socialists, like you, put the burden on parents not to even hurt the child to save its soul and will use the force of government to maximize the chance the child will die morally correupt and go to hell. Which reminds me, you never responded about the Anointed One.

You obviously do not know who the anointed one is. I suggest you study up on it for your life depends on it.

Does the Anointed One have no relevance to your world view?

 

[-Phil]

I think you want to distract from the morally righteous and Biblically commanded tool of corporal punishment, not wanting to differentiate between hurt and harm.

I’m asking you a very simple & straightforward question.

Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally to discipline her?

If you decline to answer, that’s perfectly fine. I don’t really want anything.

Another example of this differentiation is when a parent loving takes a splinter out of a child's finger. It hurts! But not tending to the wound would harm the child in the long run. By over-protecting against you abuse, you put pressure to neglect. Most significantly, neglect the child's moral development.

Would you intentionally give your granddaughter a splinter, as a means of punishment?

Even in my previous example of the child running into the street, my intention was not to pull her arm out of the socket. That was merely incidental to my intention to prevent harm. My commitment to the child's best interest includes hurting her IF it means preventing her from harm. For most parents who ever lived, this includes correcting their character. Hence, Proverb Ps 23:14 to beat the child with a rod. As it reads, it is a command. The intention is to prevent the child from going to hell. I noticed you did not comment on this proverb. Why is that?

Because it’s a belief. Abusing children and siting one’s personal beliefs as justification is physical and mental abuse.

Now, an infantalized adult may conclude that I did harm her by pulling her arm out of the socket. This punishes good parenting. This punishes the good in the world, as it gives no credit to life saving action. It offends theoretical socialists idealistic utopia.

There’s not really “infantalized adults”. That isn’t even an actual word. It’s a belief you made up, which “others”, as a means to justify child abuse.

Again… what’s being asked is…
Would you pull her arm out of socket intentionally to discipline her?

God's Word puts the burden on children to obey.

“God’s word” is really your manipulative, abusive way of rationalizing abuse.
You are putting this burden on children, and you are despicably doing so in the name of God, revealing complete ignorance of that which you speak of. God would never harm, hurt or abuse children... or anyone at all for that matter.

Socialists, like you, put the burden on parents not to even hurt the child to save its soul and will use the force of government to maximize the chance the child will die morally correupt and go to hell. Which reminds me, you never responded about the Anointed One.

Socialists, souls, hell and an anointed one are beliefs. These beliefs are being manipulatively employed to abuse children.
I am only pointing out the obvious here.

Does the Anointed One have no relevance to your world view?

There is no “my world view”.
There is only This, and nothing more.

 

[Wrangler]

Stop trying to make this personal. Stepping aside from your personal opposition to child abuse, you say God is against spanking. God says at Pr 23:14. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Case closed, yes?

 

[Wrangler]

You are putting this burden on children

Again, God puts the burden on children to obey. You are trying to put the burden on parents to not even hurt their children to build their moral character.