God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[Ziggy]

Other people were able to come under the same law. They were foreigners or strangers.
There will be One law for the freeborn and the slave..

Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

I was close..

So the Ten Commandments was as much for them as is, Jesus Christ is for the Gentiles.

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[Ziggy]

Just sharing...

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[Brakelite]

Well said!



Can't see the forest through the trees huh? I've been walking about these tree's for weeks. I don't see no forest!



My pastor explicitly and repeatedly affirmed the opposite. Compelling is who God addressed in Exodus 20:2


Eternal One: 2 I am the Eternal your God. I led you out of Egypt and liberated you from lives of slavery and oppression
(VOICE)

Yes, that's interesting. According to many Christians today, if a Sabbath keeper suggests other Christians do likewise, it means the Sabbath keeper is attempting to bring everyone else into bondage by keeping the Commandments. In other words, Jesus, Who was the one Who brought Israel out of bondage, and declared this very thing from the mountaintop at Sinai as you quoted above, did so for the express purpose of bringing them into bondage by giving them Commandments to obey. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Ziggy]

God says his commandments are not grevious, only to those who rather break them.
I don't feel confined by not killing, or not stealing, or not committing adultery, or coveting my neighbors stuff, or keeping (remembering) the Sabbath, or Honouring my parents, or not allowing idolatry to obscure my view of the Lord who tells me to do or not do these things.

I don't feel it a burden at all. It's just the right thing to do or not to do.
Why do people feel threatend by keeping the law?
You don't run red lights do you?
You don't destroy other peoples properties, or steal things do you?
You don't go around trying to pick up your friends girlfriends or wives, do you?

Your already keeping the law, if your not doing these things.

I don't understand the problem.

Hugs

 

[Brakelite]

God says his commandments are not grevious, only to those who rather break them.
I don't feel confined by not killing, or not stealing, or not committing adultery, or coveting my neighbors stuff, or keeping (remembering) the Sabbath, or Honouring my parents, or not allowing idolatry to obscure my view of the Lord who tells me to do or not do these things.

I don't feel it a burden at all. It's just the right thing to do or not to do.
Why do people feel threatend by keeping the law?
You don't run red lights do you?
You don't destroy other peoples properties, or steal things do you?
You don't go around trying to pick up your friends girlfriends or wives, do you?

Your already keeping the law, if your not doing these things.

I don't understand the problem.

Hugs

And right there you have proved that the only real issue... The sticking point as to why do many Christians are so against having the Commandments be the standard of righteousness for their lives, is the Sabbath, and the Sabbath only. It is a deep seated prejudicial hatred for the Sabbath. And to justify that they have to turn against the whole law and turn against Sabbath keepers and say they are they one's persecuting Sunday keepers. It turns the gospel on its head. They say the law was nailed to the cross... In other words God's character, of which the Commandments are a written transcript, is nailed to the cross, while it is their own characters that needs to be nailed to the cross. This anti Sabbath mindset is a devilish work. And the whole process is deeply rooted in sun worship... Facing the east to worship and turning the back on God. They may not know this, but this is effectually what is taking place. They extol a tradition and Commandment of man that has no biblical mandate, and trample and defile the day of God's own blessing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

God says his commandments are not grevious, only to those who rather break them.
I don't feel confined by not killing, or not stealing, or not committing adultery, or coveting my neighbors stuff, or keeping (remembering) the Sabbath, or Honouring my parents, or not allowing idolatry to obscure my view of the Lord who tells me to do or not do these things.

I don't feel it a burden at all. It's just the right thing to do or not to do.
Why do people feel threatend by keeping the law?
You don't run red lights do you?
You don't destroy other peoples properties, or steal things do you?
You don't go around trying to pick up your friends girlfriends or wives, do you?

Your already keeping the law, if your not doing these things.

I don't understand the problem.

Hugs

Beautiful.
So,
2Corinthians 3: 10 For even (the fact) that the Law / the ministration of condemnation was made glorious, (it) had NO glory in respect (of or in comparison with the ministration (the Law) of Righteousness by reason / because of the glory (of Christ the glory of the Ministration of Righteousness) that excells that which is done away [despite it] was glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:13
HOW?:
Colossians 1:19, through "the exceeding greatness of God's power according to the working of his mighty power
(through the Ministry of Christ and the Ministration of Righteousness)
20which God wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at his own right hand."

 

[ReChoired]

My pastor explicitly and repeatedly affirmed the opposite. Compelling is who God addressed in Exodus 20:2

Eternal One: 2 I am the Eternal your God. I led you out of Egypt and liberated you from lives of slavery and oppression
(VOICE)

Have you read 1 Corinthians 10?

Have you ever read of spiritually Egypt (Revelation 11:8; Zechariah 14:18-19) and Heavenly Canaan, the spiritual promised land (Exodus 20:12; James 2:5)?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath has never been the issue; WHEREON IT IS BASED AND FROM WHICH IT DERIVES, JESUS' RESURRECTION, has been the only matter at issue.

 

[ReChoired]

The Sabbath has never been the issue; WHEREON IT IS BASED AND FROM WHICH IT DERIVES, JESUS' RESURRECTION, has been the only matter at issue.

Nope. That is just your imagination. There is no scripture which says Jesus arose on Sabbath. It is contradictory to type, prophecy, history, scripture, etc.

 

[Wrangler]

it means the Sabbath keeper is attempting to bring everyone else into bondage

We are slaves to that which controls us.

Doing the Will of God is Righteous. Jesus is Lord if the Sabbath, that which exists. Jesus is not lord over that which does not exist not to derail this thread, but Jesus was not the one who gave the commandments at Mount Sinai.

 

[Ziggy]

And right there you have proved that the only real issue... The sticking point as to why do many Christians are so against having the Commandments be the standard of righteousness for their lives, is the Sabbath, and the Sabbath only. It is a deep seated prejudicial hatred for the Sabbath. And to justify that they have to turn against the whole law and turn against Sabbath keepers and say they are they one's persecuting Sunday keepers. It turns the gospel on its head. They say the law was nailed to the cross... In other words God's character, of which the Commandments are a written transcript, is nailed to the cross, while it is their own characters that needs to be nailed to the cross. This anti Sabbath mindset is a devilish work. And the whole process is deeply rooted in sun worship... Facing the east to worship and turning the back on God. They may not know this, but this is effectually what is taking place. They extol a tradition and Commandment of man that has no biblical mandate, and trample and defile the day of God's own blessing.

Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

I live in God's blessings everyday.
What will happen when there is time no more?
Today...
is what matters.
I know God gave man the Sabbath to rest in.. and that's what I'm doing... resting in Him.. everyday.

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Why was man given God's sabbaths? So that we might Know Him.

Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Not only am I walking in the Sabbath with the Lord Everyday.. I have His Sabbath in me.

SO COOL!

HUGS

 

[Ziggy]

Beautiful.
So,
2Corinthians 3: 10 For even (the fact) that the Law / the ministration of condemnation was made glorious, (it) had NO glory in respect (of or in comparison with the ministration (the Law) of Righteousness by reason / because of the glory (of Christ the glory of the Ministration of Righteousness) that excells that which is done away [despite it] was glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:13
HOW?:
Colossians 1:19, through "the exceeding greatness of God's power according to the working of his mighty power
(through the Ministry of Christ and the Ministration of Righteousness)
20which God wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at his own right hand."

Well if I remember correctly, the ministration of the law was given to Moses by angels.
But the ministration of the Spirit was given to us by Christ himself.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking..

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

and here:

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

what seed?

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Perhaps it is called the New Covenant because the Lord placed the law in our hearts instead of stone..
And as Moses lifted up the tablets and brake them on the ground..
Now when you break the law.. it should break your heart.

Hugs

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

According to many Christians today, if a Sabbath keeper suggests other Christians do likewise, it means the Sabbath keeper is attempting to bring everyone else into bondage by keeping the Commandments. In other words, Jesus, Who was the one Who brought Israel out of bondage, and declared this very thing from the mountaintop at Sinai as you quoted above, did so for the express purpose of bringing them into bondage by giving them Commandments to obey. Makes perfect sense.

If <<a Sabbath keeper . today . suggests to other Christians>> to do as he does and <keep the Sabbath Day> (as in times past good men of God had done), it means he is attempting to bring everyone else, like himself, into bondage <<by keeping the Commandments>> BECAUSE he leaves OUT the Great Truth that "JESUS had given the People of God REST, the Rest of God". This 'Sabbath-keeper' deliberately LEFT OUT JESUS who, by having had Suffered Death and in and by having been Buried and RAISED UP again from the dead, had CONQUERED. He reckons JESUS of no glory and his Resurrection of no worth.
This <Sabbath-keeper> cannot have forgotten and impossibly could have been ignorant about Christ's TRIUMPH HE "GREATLY TRIUMPHED", but must have IGNORED that, "If JESUS gave them (the People of God), REST" He "MADE the Sabbath for man". Jesus ROSE from the grave "AS SIGN THAT I-AM your God and you are My People". "No sign shall be given you but the sign of the Prophet". Matthew 12:40. There is no "sign" than the sign of "the third day" : that "Christ ROSE from the dead the third day according to the Scriptures." Matthew 27:63,64. 1Corinthians 15:3,4.

Jesus was the One Who brought out Israel "out of bondage" and declared this very thing from the mountain top at Sinai for the express purpose of bringing them whom He had BROUGHT OUT OF BONDAGE, INTO harmony with the Will and Commandments of God. O how is the Word of God twisted and corrupted without fear or shame by puny audacious HOLY men!

You did not see this; you did not want to see this; you REFUSE to see this; you HARDEN your heart AGAINST THIS. You will never see this until the "Today" you will answer for this.

 

[Ziggy]

When you keep God's commandments,
you are not doing the works of the flesh.

It is rest indeed.
Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Have you read 1 Corinthians 10?

Have you ever read of spiritually Egypt (Revelation 11:8; Zechariah 14:18-19) and Heavenly Canaan, the spiritual promised land (Exodus 20:12; James 2:5)?

Yes. “Our fathers” are Jewish, not Gentile Christians.

 

[ReChoired]

Yes. “Our fathers” are Jewish, not Gentile Christians.

I see. You seem to be one of those who incorrectly divides the word of truth, and separate that which is written, between 'Jew' and 'Gentile'. Abraham wasn't a 'Jew', neither 'Moses'. And if one is in Christ Jesus, then Abraham was indeed our "father" (believing Gentile or believing Jew), for he was to be a "father of many nations" (Genesis 17:5).

Rom_4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal_3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.​

Therefore, again, read 1 Corinthians 10, for it is speaking of "spiritual", not "physical". Reject this, and you will become more deceived than you already are.

 

[Wrangler]

You seem to be one of those who incorrectly divides the word of truth, and separate that which is written, between 'Jew' and 'Gentile'. Abraham wasn't a 'Jew', neither 'Moses'. And if one is in Christ Jesus, then Abraham was indeed our "father" (believing Gentile or believing Jew),

I used to think as you do.

So, are you playing word games about Moses not being a Hebrew from the line of Israel, who God called out from slavery in Egypt?

 

[Ziggy]

Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

between the porch and the altar...

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus was the One Who brought out Israel "out of bondage" and declared this very thing from the mountain top at Sinai for the express purpose of bringing them whom He had BROUGHT OUT OF BONDAGE, INTO harmony with the Will and Commandments of God.

Mmm. Totally agree. And that was my point. That most believe The law is bondage, means they think Jesus brought Israel out of bondage in Egypt, to bring them back into bondage to the law. Like I sarcastically said... Makes perfect sense.

 

[ReChoired]

I used to think as you do.

So, are you playing word games about Moses not being a Hebrew from the line of Israel, who God called out from slavery in Egypt?

No, you just played the word game. I said Moses was not a 'Jew' (because you said "Jewish"). I never said Moses was not a Hebrew, or Israelite, or Levite. You have the game, not I. I presented the scriptures to you plain as day.