That begs the question: What is "it all"?
You are referring to one set of interpretations about it.
As if that's all there is.
Certainly someone is free to reject YOUR interpretation of "it all".
Can you get outside your myopic binary thinking?
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Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory
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You are referring to one set of interpretations about it.
As if that's all there is.
Certainly someone is free to reject YOUR interpretation of "it all".
Can you get outside your myopic binary thinking?
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Can't answer that definitively, but it could very well most likely skew your beliefs and negatively impact scriptural truth or truth as you understand it to be.
Davy
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Genesis 1 is LITERAL. It is covering a pre-Adamic world very briefly, the time before Lucifer rebelled, and then God having destroyed that old world with a flood, and then God's restoration for this present world that is preserved unto fire.
Only once the Bible believer studies to show theirself approved of God, becoming a 'workman' in God's Word, like Paul told Timothy, might God open up understanding of 'how'... Genesis 1 is literal, and links with Jeremiah 4:23-28 and Romans 8:18-25, and Ezekiel 28 about the "king of Tyrus" as an allegory for Lucifer before he rebelled, and quite a few other Bible Scripture spread out in God's Word. Even the Ezekiel 31 chapter is an allegorical chapter about Lucifer having originally been exalted in God's Garden and then he fell.
There have been quite a few Bible scholars of history that have understood this, here is one of them...
Are we saved by our beliefs?
Everyone's beliefs are different. (in some way)
Who determines what "scriptural truth" is?
Again, everyone's beliefs are different.
Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?
Is Truth Relevant? True and False are opinions. - True or False?
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"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16)
There is only one truth and it's up to us to diligent seek it.
The only thing I would ask if it is allegory why do you believe - what is your faith - what is it all about?So without Genesis please explain Christianity.Starting with why did Jesus come?Why did he have to die on the cross?How are you saved?Why did Jesus have to bring salvation to the world?What was God able to accomplish in Jesus death and resurrection and why did he have to do it.
If Genesis did not happen Jesus did not need to come salvation is not needed and the entire faith falls apart and is false.
If Genesis did not happen Jesus did not need to come salvation is not needed and the entire faith falls apart and is false.
Do you believe that there is no salvation without water baptism?
If so, would that include infant baptisms?
Only one truth?
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Wick Stick
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Not at all. Let's answer those questions...
To give us an example of how to live. To become the icon of the invisible God. To assume all authority in heaven and earth as Lord of all creation. 100 other reasons.
In order to defeat death, one must confront death. Jesus death was an assault on hell - the captives were set free and led out.
From death? See above.
The natural state of the world is one of chaos. Entropy ensures that order comes only through effort to establish order. God as the bringer of order to the chaos is in ALL the books of the Bible, not just Genesis.
The redemption of Israel, because Israel did a lot of sinning. The defeat of death. The takeover of hell and liberation of its captives.
I believe what the scriptures teach and it's clear that salvation is not possible without baptism as Jesus said in mk 16:15-16. And there is no such thing scripturally as infant baptism. Water baptism removes sin. Infants have no sin; they've committed mo transgressions nor are they capable of doing so, which means baptism is not required. Furthermore, they are also incapable of belief which is the first requirement of salvation, also as Jesus stated in Mk 16:15-16.
Belief + baptism = salvation
Wow.
For someone who believes in a very narrow view of salvation, your beliefs are chock-a-block with spurious opinion.
One Baptism. - What is it?
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atpollard
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You got off easy ...
Look at the face on that baby and tell me they didn't just meet God!
LOL!
I was looking for this one meme I recall where the baby had a similar look on their face where it says, "Stop I am an athiest!"
And I had to laugh because its sort of true, what can they believe, and the only thing they can repent of is popping their diapers at that point. Infant baptism never made sense to be.I'll never get tossing the baby around like that, just seems strange to me.
Wick Stick
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Baptism isn't just for the baptizee. It's also for the church - it's a public declaration that someone is "one of us."LOL!
I was looking for this one meme I recall where the baby had a similar look on their face where it says, "Stop I am an athiest!"
I'll never get tossing the baby around like that, just seems strange to me.
Infant baptism is just the church accepting someone a little prematurely.
Partially correct.
I think it has more to do with what baptism symbolizes.
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. - Acts 2:41 NIV
At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?
Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
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That seems more like a tradition of men. I do not see how that is even scriptural. One ought to believe in Jesus Christ before they decide on being baptized. An infant hasnt the capacity to believe with their whole heart that way.
I mean, Philip preached Jesus Christ to that Ethiopian eunuch in a chariot
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
So he asks, what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, " If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest (be baptized)
And he made a profession of faith, " and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God"
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Which is in accord with Jesus said
Mat 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
As Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest (be baptized)
I just don't know how an infant can believe in Jesus Christ with all their heart yet, or see an example of infant baptism in the scriptures.
Wick Stick
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Like I said, it isn't for the infant. It's for the church.