My favorite teaching!! Jesus said to forgive and you will be forgiven.
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This is how I follow Jesus by listening to what he is saying.
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This is how I follow Jesus by listening to what he is saying.
Forgive and you will be forgiven
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In this Present Age Of Grace, we have ALREADY been Forgiven.....our Salvation does not hinge on “ Forgiving Others”......Our Forgiveness and Salvation hinges on “ Turning to God with Faith in Jesus Christ”...... Our motive for Forgiving is not the threat of going to Hell if we fail to forgive others....our motive now is “if God can forgive a wretch like me, I can surely forgive others” . As most things in the New Covenant , the motive is not Fear ....it’s Love....
2 Chr. 34:19
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Easier said-than done...anyone found it easy to forgive those who wronged them?...would love to hear your story :)
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Wonderful rendition of Jesus. We will only know in the next life the manner in which Jesus preached and taught, but I have always favored this version over the later ones. He always seemed a bit more reverent and Divine to me.
With this simple error the words of Jesus go out the window. Then, everything that is based on that error is out in left field (actually right field)
We have been forgiven the sins that are past....and we have an advocate with Jesus who will judge each case individually. This idea of God serving men is backwards. We do not have a pass for present and future sins. That is heresy of the worse kind. It is the exaltation of the flesh.
God is merciful...but not so much with people who seek to take advantage of His merciful nature.
The following is from the pen of Paul Ellis.....If you like His teaching about Forgiveness, he has tons of other great stuff.....check him out at “ escape to reality” .com.....
There’s a teaching going around that says that God has only half-forgiven us. If it sounds wacky, that’s because it is. But partial forgiveness is what you have if you think there are things we must do to stay forgiven. Sure, Jesus forgave us at the cross, but to stay forgiven we need to forgive others or keep confessing our sins or do other stuff. The implication is that if we fail to do these things, we fall out of God’s mercy and forgiveness.
Three arguments are usually offered in support of this teaching:
(1) Jesus said, “If you forgive others, your heavenly Father will forgive you” (Mt 6:14), thus forgiveness is conditional on what we do
(2) Peter refers to being forgiven from our “past sins” (2 Pet 1:9) implying that our present and future sins are yet to be dealt with
(3) John seems to say that Jesus will only cleanse us from our sins if we confess our sins (1 Jn 1:9) – so if we don’t confess, we don’t get forgiven
Let’s look at each argument in turn.
(1) Jesus said forgiveness was conditional
During the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus taught the Lord’s Prayer and finished by stressing the need to forgive others if we desire forgiveness ourselves. The Sermon on the Mount is the most eloquent exposition of old covenant law ever preached. Jesus preached it before the cross to people who were living under the law.
Why was Jesus preaching law? Because the Pharisees had watered down the law diluting its power to silence the mouths of self-righteous men. The law was intended to break our pride and reveal our need for a Savior (Gal 3:24). If you think the law easy and do-able, you will not have a true appreciation of your sinful state and you won’t see your need for Jesus.
In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus announced that He had come to fulfill the law. He then proceeded to preach about the pristine, standard of God’s holy law. That standard is neatly summarized in his appeal to “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Mt 5:48).
Now how would you feel if the Sunday preacher said, “you must be perfect”? How would you feel if he said, “unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Mt 5:20)? If your reaction is, “I’m in trouble, I need help,” then you are closer to freedom than any Pharisee then or any religious person now.
The law is holy, righteous and good but it has no power to make you holy, righteous and good. When Jesus said you will be forgiven in proportion to the forgiveness you show to others, He was preaching pure, unadulterated law. What He said is just, it is good, and it condemns you.
The truth is the measure of forgiveness that we need from God is infinitely greater than any forgiveness we could show to others. Thankfully, Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law on our behalf when he went to the cross. In the very act of paying for the world’s sin, He forgave us our sin! That’s breathtaking. The very condition for forgiveness that Jesus preached on the Mount, He himself satisfied on the cross. Only in Christ do we receive the Father’s forgiveness.
(2) Peter implies that only our past sins are forgiven
When Jesus died on the cross He did not cry out, “it is half-finished.” No. God doesn’t do half-jobs. Everything that needed to be done to satisfy the demands of justice was done by Jesus. His sacrifice was the once and final solution for our sin (Heb 9:26).
It’s a simple truth, yet many people just don’t get it.
Peter writes that the main reason why some Christians don’t mature is that they have forgotten they have been cleansed from their past sins (2 Pet 1:9). Their knowledge of Jesus and what he accomplished is so limited that they are “ineffective and unproductive.” They live power-less lives.
We have been reconciled to God not by dead religious works but by the blood of Jesus. A Christian is literally a new creation (2 Cor 5:17). Our sinful life is in our past. Although we may continue to act like sinners in our unrenewed thinking, we are sinners no longer. Hence Peter says, “stop living in the past and grow up.”
What brings forgiveness of sins? Jesus’ blood (Mt 26:28). “Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Heb 9:22). As Jesus bled and died on the cross, God canceled the law that was against us and “forgave us all our sins” (Col 2:13-14).
You were forgiven 2,000 years ago. It’s nonsense to say that God hasn’t forgiven our future sins because when he forgave us all our sins were in the future.
(3) John says forgiveness depends on our confession
How do we receive the free gift of forgiveness? Repent and put your trust in Jesus. John writes that if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to purify us from all unrighteousness (1 Jn 1:9). Some take this to mean that we are cleansed from sin through our confession. But John makes it clear that it is the “blood of Jesus” – not our confession – that “purifies us from all sin” (1 Jn 1:7).
And did you notice John said “all sin”? Just in case we missed it, John says it again: Jesus cleanses us from “all unrighteousness” (1 Jn 1:9). All means all. All includes past, present and future sin. When you are cleansed by Jesus you are well and truly cleansed!
“The LORD says, ‘Now, let’s settle the matter. You are stained red with sin, but I will wash you as clean as snow. Although your stains are deep red, you will be as white as wool.'” (Is 1:18, GNB)
As I have said elsewhere, John is not preaching a doctrine of human confession but a doctrine of divine forgiveness. Like every other writer in the New Testament John goes to great lengths to show that divine forgiveness is a God-thing from start to finish. If we respond to His overtures and acknowledge our sinful state and our need for a Savior, we are eternally, completely, perfectly forgiven!
When you sin, guess what – you are still forgiven! God’s grace is greater than your sin. Of course you should not sin and when you do you should repent, but rest assured that nothing can separate you from the love of Christ.
Some people try to put limits on God’s forgiveness. They say that he withholds His forgiveness unless we do this, that and the other thing. They say that God forgives in accordance with our behavior or performance. But that is not what the Bible says.
“In Him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.” (Eph 1:7)
Just as you can’t put a limit on the riches of God’s grace, you can’t put a limit on His forgiveness. Now that’s good news!
God has fully forgiven the past sins...not half-forgiven.
The good news is not the forgiveness but the freedom (remission) from sin by abiding in Christ. Mercy is to forgiveness as grace is to freedom.
So it's normal that modern authors see no difference between mercy and grace. And that's because few will ever walk in the freedom afforded by the gospel.
There is this man called Jesus and He said that few will find the path that leads to life. And fewer and fewer until today.
A scheme that does not provide for a victory over sin...an overcoming...is man made and man pleasing. But it certainly isn't pleasing to God.
Jesus did not come all this way to have the flesh remain triumphant in our bodies. No, through His resurrection life we can be even as He is. In Him is no sin. As He IS....so are we in this world...as we enter into His death and resurrection.
I pray you receive the true gospel that is according to power. :)
[A scheme that does not provide for a victory over sin...an overcoming...is man made and man pleasing. But it certainly isn't pleasing to God.
The “ Victory over Sin” was fulfilled 2000 years ago by Jesus.....Jesus said as much when He proclaimed “ It is Finished”. The “Gospel” is not just anything that sounds positive.....The Gospel That Saves is very specific That Gospel says that “ Jesus died for your sins and rose from the Grave .... It is The Gospel Of Paul, given to him by Jesus personally and it can be found in 1Cor15:1-4
The Ultimate In “pleasing God” is to REST in Paul’s Gospel as Commanded to do in Heb 4, lest one be judged by God to be in a State Of Disobedience and UNBELIEF.....There are many things to attend to in the Walk Of Faith, but a Wise Man Will put this Command at the Top Of His List! RESTING in the Gospel and the Finished Work Of The Cross , Knowing that you are Saved Forever because you put your Trust in what Jesus did for you- Plus Nothing, as far as your Salvation is concerned.....
Fully Trusting in The Gospel gets that terrible weight of Performance off of your shoulders.... The peace of mind, the Joy , The gratitude that follows that Rest will Spur Love.....Love is the “ Engine” that drives any Obedience that God cares about.....Love God and everything else will take care of itself....It all goes back to “ Believing the Gospel”. If one “ believes” in something , they will Rest in it.
How could God DEMAND that we REST in a Gospel That only covers “ past” sins ?” How unfair that would be.....Nobody can Rest when they have no idea what may happen tomorrow or the next day— we have no idea what sins we will commit in the future. I Rest Because I Know no matter what I do, I am Covered by God's Grace and Christ’s Blood. The Carnally Minded Person Just can’t “ imagine” this scenario because they think such freedom just “ HAS” to lead to taking God’s Grace and turning it into a “ License to Sin”.......Now watch out! Here comes another one of those Christian Ironies.....the more I realize that I can sin and not be damned for it , the less sinning I want to do.....The only thing I want to do now that I am Free is to be a Slave.....Christianity sure is wild, isn’t it? God bless....
The “ Victory over Sin” was fulfilled 2000 years ago by Jesus.....Jesus said as much when He proclaimed “ It is Finished”. The “Gospel” is not just anything that sounds positive.....The Gospel That Saves is very specific That Gospel says that “ Jesus died for your sins and rose from the Grave .... It is The Gospel Of Paul, given to him by Jesus personally and it can be found in 1Cor15:1-4
The Ultimate In “pleasing God” is to REST in Paul’s Gospel as Commanded to do in Heb 4, lest one be judged by God to be in a State Of Disobedience and UNBELIEF.....There are many things to attend to in the Walk Of Faith, but a Wise Man Will put this Command at the Top Of His List! RESTING in the Gospel and the Finished Work Of The Cross , Knowing that you are Saved Forever because you put your Trust in what Jesus did for you- Plus Nothing, as far as your Salvation is concerned.....
Fully Trusting in The Gospel gets that terrible weight of Performance off of your shoulders.... The peace of mind, the Joy , The gratitude that follows that Rest will Spur Love.....Love is the “ Engine” that drives any Obedience that God cares about.....Love God and everything else will take care of itself....It all goes back to “ Believing the Gospel”. If one “ believes” in something , they will Rest in it.
How could God DEMAND that we REST in a Gospel That only covers “ past” sins ?” How unfair that would be.....Nobody can Rest when they have no idea what may happen tomorrow or the next day— we have no idea what sins we will commit in the future. I Rest Because I Know no matter what I do, I am Covered by God's Grace and Christ’s Blood. The Carnally Minded Person Just can’t “ imagine” this scenario because they think such freedom just “ HAS” to lead to taking God’s Grace and turning it into a “ License to Sin”.......Now watch out! Here comes another one of those Christian Ironies.....the more I realize that I can sin and not be damned for it , the less sinning I want to do.....The only thing I want to do now that I am Free is to be a Slave.....Christianity sure is wild, isn’t it? God bless....
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His sacrifice was to take your place when you die. . 'so you never know death'. But you have to liveth and believeth to 'Shall Never Die'.
The forgiving is to say if you don't forgive you will not get forgiveness. You people need to follow the Master like I have done.. I'm (trying to livething) what he said + believing it.
God gave me my own mind to figure these things out and I don't have to copy and paste my Pastor.
The forgiving is to say if you don't forgive you will not get forgiveness. You people need to follow the Master like I have done.. I'm (trying to livething) what he said + believing it.
God gave me my own mind to figure these things out and I don't have to copy and paste my Pastor.
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Matthew 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Iforest, I said it from my heart... by heart. And your buddy said it was right.
Its easy when you have someone you love to think about. I want my love back! I'll even tell everyone I'm sorry just to have it.
Now you know the Christian lesson of Christ. I need Mat 6:14
I said it like the law was written on my heart. For others its written on the book.
Its easy when you have someone you love to think about. I want my love back! I'll even tell everyone I'm sorry just to have it.
Now you know the Christian lesson of Christ. I need Mat 6:14
I said it like the law was written on my heart. For others its written on the book.
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*Sadly many people are not taught the whole truth on forgiving others.
We just do not go about forgiving people just for any reason.
That would negate the church discipline process found in (Mt 18:15-17).
Notice how Peter handled this in (Acts 8:20-22)
... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. (Luke 17:3,4)
Repentance is always required when one is caught up in sin. (Luke 13:3)
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.(Mt.18:15-17)
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I don’t see a problem with “ copy and paste” if one has something to share with others ( especially Newbies to the Faith) That can help somebody else in their Walk Of Faith......Perhaps your Pastor is among the thousands that have been Poorly Taught and are unknowingly passing on Biblical Ignorance to a Flock That never studies their Bibles and goes around mindlessly Believing whatever the Preacher says because he wears a weird collar or stands in a Pulpit.I have never heard your Pastor and don't know what you have been taught— I hope he is a Serious Student that knows how to “ Rightly Divide” God’s Word so he and You will never have to “ Stand Ashamed”....
I can easily discern Two errors in one small paragraph ......You say you “ Follow” the Master.....that sounds Noble Enough .....did your Pastor ever tell you that Jesus said to “ Follow Paul?” Let’s hope so, lest your Guy be a very Sub-Standard “ teacher”.
You claim you are “ Trying” to Live the Life .Once again that “ sounds” good and proper.Unfortunately , God is not looking for those that are “ Trying to be Saved”. God is looking for those “ Trusting” to be Saved.....Trusting in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 Plus Nothing for their Salvation...
It would not bother me a bit if you and your Pastor “ copied and pasted” 50 pages of Wisdom that could possibly help a fellow Believer.....I can’t figure out why anybody would be opposed to that....do you have anything that is actually “ Biblical” to share? So far I have seen nothing but the results of poor studying and dividing of the Word......
Sometimes you find you and another person share the same heart , and the other person has already put what you both share into words in a better way than you will ever be able to match....I will bow to the better writer if he can help others more than I can.....who cares who wrote what, as long as it helps.....especially Newbies out there that have yet to be ruined by the Legalists and Tares that are mixed in with Men Of Women Of True Faith who actually Believe the Songs they Sing in Church most Sunday’s —- “ Nothing But The Blood”. Many Churches would please God immensely if they tore that Song out of their Hymnals instead of being hypocrites every time they sing it....
You should be able to say from your heart in as few words as possible to convey your message like Jesus did.
I need Jesus to have mercy on me .. and I need his forgiveness. I know what I did in life was probably not as bad as anyone else-- i never killed anyone .. say a war.. or had to buy a woman. I have paid for private shows.. but who hasn't. Lap dancing stuff. When your single its like a guys fav thing to do with his buddies.. looking back. Idk. I'd probably do it again.
I stole money from my boss when I was 16 only b.c he asked me to rip off the sale taxes he had to pay. I blame it on him for teaching me theft. I would of never stole from him if he had not forced me to be dishonest. He payed me under the table too. Most likely with ripped off sales taxes. See how easy it was to ask for forgiveness.
I did lots of other things, too.
But having love for my girl pulled me thru it. Like a love conquers all thing.
But I never married twice! No way. One promise I never broke was never divorcing .. and getting remarried. She had to do that alone. I loved her too much to do any of that.
Imagine people in heaven... what will they do with 10 wives that they had? Maybe it isn't allowed.
I need Jesus to have mercy on me .. and I need his forgiveness. I know what I did in life was probably not as bad as anyone else-- i never killed anyone .. say a war.. or had to buy a woman. I have paid for private shows.. but who hasn't. Lap dancing stuff. When your single its like a guys fav thing to do with his buddies.. looking back. Idk. I'd probably do it again.
I stole money from my boss when I was 16 only b.c he asked me to rip off the sale taxes he had to pay. I blame it on him for teaching me theft. I would of never stole from him if he had not forced me to be dishonest. He payed me under the table too. Most likely with ripped off sales taxes. See how easy it was to ask for forgiveness.
I did lots of other things, too.
But having love for my girl pulled me thru it. Like a love conquers all thing.
But I never married twice! No way. One promise I never broke was never divorcing .. and getting remarried. She had to do that alone. I loved her too much to do any of that.
Imagine people in heaven... what will they do with 10 wives that they had? Maybe it isn't allowed.
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