For free will believers out there

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Wrong. Jesus returns as the glorified God-man that He is! He is the first fruits of the resurrection from the dead. To be resurrected, you have to rise with what you died in!

Wrong, Jesus came in the likeness of the first man Adam. Just as the first Adam wasn't a God-Man, neither was the last Adam, Jesus. Those of you who call Jesus a God-Man denys he came as a human in the likeness of Adam because you say he came more than a human.
Adam, who lost everlasting life in human perfection, bequeathed sin and death to his offspring (Ro 5:12), and Adam’s descendants therefore came under condemnation to death. If humankind was to regain the opportunity to enjoy everlasting life, then, in harmony with a legal principle that Jehovah later included in the Mosaic Law, namely, that like must go for like, exact atonement would be required for what had been lost by Adam.—De 19:21.

As used in the Bible, “atonement” has the basic thought of “cover” or “exchange,” and that which is given in exchange for, or as a “cover” for, another thing must be its duplicate or equivalent Thus, anything making satisfaction for something that is lost or forfeited must be “at one” with that other thing, completely covering it as its exact equivalent. There must be no overlapping and no coming short. No imperfect human could provide such a covering or atonement to restore perfect human life to any or all of mankind. (Ps 49:7, 8) To make adequate atonement for what was forfeited by Adam, a sin offering having the precise value of a perfect human life would have to be provided.
This is what was ransomed a perfect human life that's what Jesus sacrificed, not a God-Man but a perfect sinless human man is what was lost and an offspring of perfect sinless humans so Jesus sacrificed a perfect human man, not a God-man.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

both

Acts 4:27
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

This scripture you quoted doesn't prove that any jews pierced Jesus as the Roman soldiers did.

 

[Truther]

Well I will give you but one post to apologize for bearing false witness against my many teachers before I pout the likes of you on ignore.

You lie and you bear false witness. One shot take it or not! YOU presume and make false assumptions. YOu are not in a good place.

Acts skippers are scripturally naughty.

 

[Grailhunter]

Can I interest somebody in the sacrifice of chickens! LOL I have a voodoo doll here of Barney....lets see if he jumps!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Can I interest somebody in the sacrifice of chickens! LOL I have a voodoo doll here of Barney....lets see if he jumps![/QUOTE\]

The fact you deal with voodoo says everything about you doesn't it?

 

[Wrangler]

This is what was ransomed a perfect human life that's what Jesus sacrificed, not a God-Man but a perfect sinless human man is what was lost and an offspring of perfect sinless humans so Jesus sacrificed a perfect human man, not a God-man.

The pernicious lie of the God-man thesis is when it is asserted he is 'fully man.' Then they make an Appeal to Ignorance, we don't know how this is, you just have to accept it. The man-God, who is God incarnate is also fully man. So many mystical contradictions. Ridiculous.

It amazes me that educated people believe this nonsense, refuted by Scripture thousands of times.

'For us, there is one God, the Father'
1 Corinthians 8:6

 

[Truther]

The pernicious lie of the God-man thesis is when it is asserted he is 'fully man.' Then they make an Appeal to Ignorance, we don't know how this is, you just have to accept it. The man-God, who is God incarnate is also fully man. So many mystical contradictions. Ridiculous.

It amazes me that educated people believe this nonsense, refuted by Scripture thousands of times.

'For us, there is one God, the Father'
1 Corinthians 8:6

I am not an incarnationist, but I believe Jesus is God.

Are you interested in my concept?

 

[Grailhunter]

Well ya know denying the deity of Christ or preach that He is a satanic puppet master...I think it is on the par as Voodoo.

 

[Truther]

Well ya know denying the deity of Christ or preach that He is a satanic puppet master...I think it is on the par as Voodoo.

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

You need to figure out what Jesus thought first.

 

[Wrangler]

I am not an incarnationist, but I believe Jesus is God.

Are you interested in my concept?

No. What does the singular pronoun 'me' signify? See 1C.

 

[Truther]

No. What does the singular pronoun 'me' signify? See 1C.

Then you are missing out on the truth.

 

[Truther]

For anyone's information.

Jesus was MADE God after his God resurrected him from the dead.

Thomas was the first to get that revelation.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The pernicious lie of the God-man thesis is when it is asserted he is 'fully man.' Then they make an Appeal to Ignorance, we don't know how this is, you just have to accept it. The man-God, who is God incarnate is also fully man. So many mystical contradictions. Ridiculous.

It amazes me that educated people believe this nonsense, refuted by Scripture thousands of times.

'For us, there is one God, the Father'
1 Corinthians 8:6

Yes I agree. If they continue on the path that the Messiah who is Gods Only Begotten Son came as a God-Man and not in the likeness of the first man Adam who wasn't a God-Man but instead was a perfect sinless human when created they will remain in there sins. They must believe that the Only Begotten Son of God the Messiah came as a perfect sinless human baby when he was born. He wasn't born in sin as we are.

 

[Wrangler]

For anyone's information.

Jesus was MADE God after his God resurrected him from the dead.

Acts 13:29-33 says Jesus became the son of God AFTER the resurrection.

Thomas was the first to get that revelation.

An exclamation is not a revelation. "My God, that is a beautiful car." Exclamation, not revelation. I know atheists who exclaim 'My God' as they reach the pinnacle of the sex act. Exclamation, not revelation.

 

[quietthinker]

righto guys, these post are a broken record, the mirror of an accuser and frankly, pathetic. Wake up to yourselves!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Well ya know denying the deity of Christ or preach that He is a satanic puppet master...I think it is on the par as Voodoo.

Only those who deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God like you and others do that believe Jesus Christ to be God and not the Only Begotten Son of God will be forever denied eternal life as long as you continue to deny it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the word who became human(flesh).

 

[justbyfaith]

Only those who deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God like you and others do that believe Jesus Christ to be God and not the Only Begotten Son of God will be forever denied eternal life as long as you continue to deny it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the word who became human(flesh).

You have no scripture to back up your point of view...

However we have scripture to back up our point of view that you will be condemned if you continue to stay in unbelief and denial as concerning the doctrine of the Deity of Christ.

Exo 3:14, And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jhn 8:24, I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[justbyfaith]

Only those who deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God like you and others do that believe Jesus Christ to be God and not the Only Begotten Son of God will be forever denied eternal life as long as you continue to deny it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the word who became human(flesh).

Also, it was the Father who became the only begotten Son of God when He incarnated and took on an added nature of human flesh.

Isa 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[quietthinker]

How I love a broken record
sends my ego to the stars
hear my words, such inspiration
bottle it in cans and jars

How I love my repetition
shows the folks how much I know
led of course, by the spirit
all can see the after glow

Ever since my higher knowledge
joined the ranks of the elect
marching flawlessly to Zion
pointing others to my sect

Never weary, always thrilling
with the ranks in one accord
beat my drum and sound my trumpet
advertising for my lord

 

[Grailhunter]

Only those who deny that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God like you and others do that believe Jesus Christ to be God and not the Only Begotten Son of God will be forever denied eternal life as long as you continue to deny it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the word who became human(flesh).

I think you got me confused with someone else.

God impregnated Miriam...cast His seed in her womb...the old fashion way. LOL She conceived and delivered the Savior of the World. Christ is a God born of a woman...the only begotten Son of Yahweh....so take that Tonto!

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of the Father, and will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.