Finger pointing and condemnation

[VictoryinJesus]

It is sarcasm not accusations VictoryinJesus. A false accusation is saying You did what you did not, sarcasm is saying, "You would likely be the type". Who is pointing that little finger at who now?

I’m sorry. You are right. I read this ‘That might seem ridiculous to you in your world, so enjoy your threesomes, but I wouldnt be participating in those.’ And how you assumed (I thought) what I want in the pulpit. Defining what I want for me(I thought). It did hurt, I overreacted and went all defensive mode.

You do seem to look to accuse, you were triggered by something. I have said nothing to you, but you went after a single verse I posted in post #87, and have not let up wanting me to engage with you every which way you turned the thing. And that verse which when I had posted it had nothing at all to do with its context but rather I pulled it to contrast between it and the following verse I posted behind it (in Daniel) showing someone can be referred to by God in the former can also be shown confessing sin in the latter, which shows it does not mean sinlessness was my point. You went after that one verse (and I certainly didnt write it) and ever since have been lecturing me on it and bringing in the world (such as gay pride parades etc) into the picture when I keep quoting Paul who is speaking of those on the inside the church (and not the outside of it). I have hardly spoken a thing of myself, because I prefer to post mostly scriptures and the comparisons and contrasts to be made between them and try to show them agreeably in Jesus and Pauls writings and examples. And I have no idea why you are writing me walls of posts which started over a single verse and then branched out into "the WOW do you not see you are judging outward stuff"? Because I called the attire of a man dressed up (not like a modest woman) but painted up like a Jezebel in stripper gear "whorish". That adjective seemed to drive you bonkers because it become me "judging someone from the outward" thing. Its a known fact that those who do so derive sexual arousal (which is lust) from simply wearing the clothes of the opposite sex. You can even look that up, its called " Transvestic fetishism". So what they slip on (on their outward) arouses them (inwardly).

I’ll consider what you said above. I do see some truth in it, so I am reading it multiple times to see what my part was in it. Mostly to keep this in mind when I react with others going forth. Which is my take away from our back and forth.

Lets not converse, I do not enjoy these back and forths with you.

Agree.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lets look at what is really getting said by these common phrases that many within even christendom now use .
First lets read it with glasses off , THEN i will show us what its really saying with glasses ON .
Judge not correct not . Equals , HEY SHUT YOUR MOUTH about our sin and let us do what we like and let others do as they like .
Finger pointing . HEY STOP EXPOSING SINS that we love to do and let us beleive rather its okay to do such things .
If one looks at how these messages are used and WHO they be used against
ITS NOT hard to see what is going on at all .
Use not words means SHUT YOUR MOUTH about EVANGELIZING the NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and rather just work as one beleiving ye all serve the same god and have his love .
breaking down walls of divsions , MEANS , REMOVING THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH that gets in the way
of UNIFYING them to be as one .
Finding common ground . Preach a love of the world that all religoins have in common so as they just be as ONE .
Ye need to sit under greek scholars and etc and one cannot learn
the bible for themselves . EQUALS , HEY JUST TRUST US and let us CONTROL things .

 

[Simonides]

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[pepper]

James is encouraging

James 5:19-20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

I think christians can sometimes confuse the world (who we are not to judge and who are without) with those who call themselves a brother (who are within).

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Which are to be put out

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I can't imagine returning to this sort of thing

We'll look at that! A CCTV capture of Hell.

Oh,that's later.
My bad.

 

[Verily]

OK, I'm kind of afraid to ask. But how in the world did you come to the conclusion that that was the implication here? I'm going to assume I missed something.

Which post is this from? I cant figure out to what I am replying to.

And can we make this short and sweet, I would really like to be done with this conversation

 

[pepper]

@Verily, great post.
Adding:

Matthew 23

Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees​

13 “But woe (W)to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you (X)shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you (Y)neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[d] 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single (Z)proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a (AA)child of (AB)hell[e] as yourselves.


16 “Woe to (AC)you, (AD)blind guides, who say, (AE)‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or (AF)the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by (AG)the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or (AH)the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by (AI)him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by (AJ)heaven swears by (AK)the throne of God and by (AL)him who sits upon it.


23 (AM)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For (AN)you tithe mint and dill and (AO)cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: (AP)justice and mercy and faithfulness. (AQ)These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing (AR)a camel!


25 (AS)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For (AT)you clean the outside of (AU)the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of (AV)greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of (AW)the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 (AX)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like (AY)whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and (AZ)all uncleanness. 28 So you also (BA)outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of (BB)hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 (BC)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are (BD)sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 (BE)Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, (BF)you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to (BG)hell? 34 (BH)Therefore (BI)I send you (BJ)prophets and wise men and (BK)scribes, (BL)some of whom you will kill and crucify, and (BM)some you will (BN)flog in your synagogues and (BO)persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all (BP)the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous (BQ)Abel to the blood of (BR)Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between (BS)the sanctuary and (BT)the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, (BU)all these things will come upon this generation.

 

[Verily]

We'll look at that! A CCTV capture of Hell.

Oh,that's later.
My bad.

Now, now, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[quietthinker]

Which post is this from? I cant figure out to what I am replying to.

And can we make this short and sweet, I would really like to be done with this conversation

Post #16 of this thread

 

[Verily]

@Verily, great post.
Adding:

Matthew 23

Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees​

13 “But woe (W)to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you (X)shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you (Y)neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[d] 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single (Z)proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a (AA)child of (AB)hell[e] as yourselves.


16 “Woe to (AC)you, (AD)blind guides, who say, (AE)‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or (AF)the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by (AG)the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or (AH)the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by (AI)him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by (AJ)heaven swears by (AK)the throne of God and by (AL)him who sits upon it.


23 (AM)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For (AN)you tithe mint and dill and (AO)cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: (AP)justice and mercy and faithfulness. (AQ)These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing (AR)a camel!


25 (AS)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For (AT)you clean the outside of (AU)the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of (AV)greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of (AW)the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 (AX)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like (AY)whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and (AZ)all uncleanness. 28 So you also (BA)outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of (BB)hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 (BC)“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are (BD)sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 (BE)Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, (BF)you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to (BG)hell? 34 (BH)Therefore (BI)I send you (BJ)prophets and wise men and (BK)scribes, (BL)some of whom you will kill and crucify, and (BM)some you will (BN)flog in your synagogues and (BO)persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all (BP)the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous (BQ)Abel to the blood of (BR)Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between (BS)the sanctuary and (BT)the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, (BU)all these things will come upon this generation.

I do understand that you see Paul as both a false prophet deceived by Satan and a Pharisee and hypocrite and his instruction for the church as a big woe to him on this.

 

[Simonides]

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[Verily]

Post #16 of this thread

Thanks, that was posted behind this post which is why I asked

They should be more like Paul who considered himself chief of sinners, but could still say,

1 Cr 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

After we are washed we are not to return to doing those things

2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

We would walk worthy of God, who has called us unto his kingdom and his glory

** I saw it as pitting against the scripture

 

[Simonides]

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[Verily]

Its not important. Carry on.

In post #151 I posted the post for you that was before it so at least you can see what I asking concerning, I was taking it as pitting the scriptures was all.

 

[Simonides]

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[quietthinker]

If I had to name a favorite disciple, it would be John.

But the disciple I relate to the most, is Peter. Talk about a brother "all up in his feels" as the kids say now days.

Obstinate, aggressive, short sighted, a bit daft at times, and denied Christ thrice.

Fortunately, I'm at that stage of my journey where Christ is repeatedly telling me to feed His Lambs. Poor Peter, I wonder howl long it took him to realize what Christ had actually done for him. John clearly understood.
Fortunately for all of us, Peter figured it out soon enough.

It took me three decades.

Yeah, well, the figuring process takes time. It's just too easy and tempting to draw conclusions with insufficient info. / knowledge
Using your description of Peter, I can confidently say God does not hold a person's natural disposition against them....particularly dumbo's....of which I'm grateful.

 

[Simonides]

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[amigo de christo]

If I had to name a favorite disciple, it would be John.

But the disciple I relate to the most, is Peter. Talk about a brother "all up in his feels" as the kids say now days.

Obstinate, aggressive, short sighted, a bit daft at times, and denied Christ thrice.

Fortunately, I'm at that stage of my journey where Christ is repeatedly telling me to feed His Lambs. Poor Peter, I wonder howl long it took him to realize what Christ had actually done for him. John clearly understood.
Fortunately for all of us, Peter figured it out soon enough.

It took me three decades.

That sounds more like a version of the seeker friendly peter so as it could sell to the church the judge not correct not card .
Not saying you do this of course .
He never denied Christ after that time .
They were quite sincere men in the faith and very fast to correct sin within and amongst the beleivers .
But WHY , WHY were they so darn fast to correct sin and error . CAUSE THEY ACTUALLY LOVED the people
and knew the dangers of sin and what it could lead to .
The letter of john sure is a good one , well all the letters are .
That same JOHN wrote and said things a lot of pastors seem to over look these days
as they use the word love to promote another kind of love upon the church .
Even suggesting by thier version of love that belief IN CHRIST is not a necessity
as they pump this other love love love and has turned the IMAGE of the LIVING GOD
into the image of humanity and its love .
I suggest we see how often JOHN wrote about who is a liar , an anti christ , who is calling God a liar .
UNBELIEF and the preaching its not necessary to beleive , COMETH OF anti christ and calls GOD a liar .
Always keep that in mind .

 

[amigo de christo]

If I could just learn to flap these ears of mine.

I am so grateful for David and his songs.

"For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust."
Selah

yes the songs sure are lovely . Lovely songs indeed . Truth is always lovely to the soul of a lamb .
Every WORD of GOD is pure and lovely to the sheep of HIS pasture .
It has been spoken , it has been said , by this last generation , OH we dont read
all of the letters of the apostels , or revelation or etc
cause we dont want to scare people , or offend people .
RATHER ODD , and reader do take note , That when paul and others wrote
to the churches , I SURE NEVER SEEMED to see them write and say
OH BY THE WAY dont read these letters to the churches , we dont want to scare people off .
DO YA EVER GET THE FEELING MEN LIED TO US . CAUSE I SURE DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

We dont read revelation , says some , it can trigger folks .
Rather odd it said BLESSED IS HE WHO READS and THEY WHO HEAR these words .

 

[Marvelloustime]

We dont read revelation , says some , it can trigger folks .
Rather odd it said BLESSED IS HE WHO READS and THEY WHO HEAR these words .

@amigo de christo