Finger pointing and condemnation

[Dan Clarkston]

Many people think that the bible is authority for instance, when the real authority is God, writing on the minds and hearts of those whom are his

And if what is being written on the minds and hearts of the people does not agree with what God already said... that He had put in written form.... we know they are false brethren.

Those that do not believe what God says in His Word are deceived by satan!

You just gave your example of the very issue the OP addressed.

We are all practising sinners on some level.....

Those still walking in sin are on the highway to hell and have rejected the Lord.

They should confess and forsake their sin! That is IF they want to be in right standing with the Lord.

 

[Verily]

I’m not getting your responses either. All I’m saying is when we tell everyone what is wrong, hopefully we are not found doing the same of what we acknowledge as wrong.

You were talking about the pointing the finger and going on about gay pride parades (that goes on outside of the realm of the church). I keep posting Paul's words about the church not judging those without. Was that not your point? Do not point the finger, while pointing out the gay pride parades on the streets? Whereas I posted the gay prides INSIDE the church (not outside the church). Paul says they are to judge those within. I keep posting his words over and over again on this.

And yes, I would certainly hope christians are not teaching, nor approving of either women or men dressing like a whorish women, and or encouraging the grooming small children to be used for their own sexual pleasure and/or perversions. Any kind of sexual immorality at all.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I keep posting Paul's words about the church not judging those without.

Correction .... those were the words of the Lord coming thru Paul's writings.
The Holy Spirit led Paul what to write based on the Lord's instructions.

Those outside of the church are already judged by God as being dammed because they have not obeyed the Gospel

Part of reaching the lost is to point this out.

Whereas I posted the gay prides INSIDE the church

There are NO gay peoples IN CHRIST.... they can claim to be IN CHRIST all they want but that does not make it true.

 

[Verily]

I don’t know what that verse means to you?

James 4:8-12 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded. [9] Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. [10] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will lift you up. [11] Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaks evil of his brother, and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law, and judges the law: but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge. [12] There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who are you that judges another?

What does that mean to you? Does it connect to the verse you’ve quoted multiple times?

You should ask what does that mean to Paul

Simply put he tells you in the context if you would read within it.

1 Cr 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

1 Cr 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Paul is talking about those who call themselves brothers is what he is speaking of

1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

As he says,

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?

do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


He is writing this because he says at the start this

1 Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

We can call this "fornication pride" rather than "gay pride" in the church (seeing they are puffed up)

1 Cr 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

So he is not talking about the fornicators of this world, its those who call themselves a brother and do these things.

It's not even about pointing the finger, its about living in sin and being puffed up about it, they dont even know how to mourn over sin here. Its actualy necessary for the correction that comes, being made to feel sorry, and changing ones course.

Edit for correction, "he is not" talking about the fornicators of "this world"

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You should ask what does that mean to Paul

Correction .... those were the words of the Lord coming thru Paul's writings.
The Holy Spirit led Paul what to write based on the Lord's instructions.

You should ask what does that mean to The Lord Jesus!

 

[Verily]

Correction .... those were the words of the Lord coming thru Paul's writings.

Yeah I kind of agree with this, but he does speak of his words, and I sure did not want to go down the whole 2 Cr 13:3 thing

2 Cr 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you

The Holy Spirit led Paul what to write based on the Lord's instructions.

I agree,

1 Thes 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

1 Thes 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Those outside of the church are already judged by God as being dammed because they have not obeyed the Gospel

Part of reaching the lost is to point this out.

There are NO gay peoples IN CHRIST.... they can claim to be IN CHRIST all they want but that does not make it true.

What I meant by that is that I posted two videos showing them inside the churches, I did not post a video of a gay pride parade outside of the churches (for example, in the streets) which would be judging those who are without, but shows them within doing what they do.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Yeah I kind of agree with this, but he does speak of his words

Sounds like some folks think they are following mere men who were not led by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ controlled what went in to His canon, and if He... by permission.... let Paul speak it was because what Paul spoke the Lord agreed to and was a result of Paul having the mind of Christ being led by the Holy Ghost

I posted two videos showing them inside the churches

Those buildings were in no way associated with the actual Body of Christ... not the Jesus of the Bible.

They are however associated with the fake "jesus" going around (demons claiming to speak for Jesus, but are actually servants of satan who are religious devils sent by satan to deceived)

 

[Verily]

Sounds like some folks think they are following mere men who were not led by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ controlled what went in to His canon, and if He... by permission.... let Paul speak it was because what Paul spoke the Lord agreed to and was a result of Paul having the mind of Christ being led by the Holy Ghost

Paul would say,

1 Cr 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

1 Cr 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

Those buildings were in no way associated with the actual Body of Christ... not the Jesus of the Bible.

They are however associated with the fake "jesus" going around (demons claiming to speak for Jesus, but are actually servants of satan who are religious devils sent by satan to deceived)

Its a mockery

 

[amigo de christo]

You showed me this on another thread, I didnt want to click on it because I dont really tune into anything a Pope has to say, and so basically he is denying Jesus is the way or that these various religions are various ways people are seeking God and so that Christ does not matter? Or that these people seeking God (even though not by Christ, by whom we come to the one true and living God) could be very much off base, that eventually their paths (if God be gracious) will eventually lead them to Christ. Basically meaning, that these paths, though incorrect, if God be gracious and draw them to the true way (Jesus Christ) will end up by the mercy of God where they need to be?

I am guessing, I went down all sorts of bad roads, and rabbit holes and by the grace of God and the mercy of God he drew me to His Son.

You dont understand my friend , this interfaith that even trump and vance are part of
IS What this is all about .
Just avoid this finding common ground stuff they teach . They bring it in under the guise
we are working together with all religoins for the good of the world and etc .
ITS LEADERS beleive that all religoins do serve the same GOD differently .
SO if you wont watch the vidoe , just be sure to steer clear from those who speak about coming together
with the other religoins to do good works and etc . THEY make it sound good and for a good cause . ITS a snare my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul would say,

1 Cr 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

1 Cr 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.



Its a mockery

Why do you think paul was telling them THIS is not a commandment but by permission .
In the law men were to put away UNBELIEVING spouses .
Paul was speaking by permission that we dont HAVE TO , because we might win them to CHRIST in time .
So it was allowed of GOD to be taught . But was not a commandment to do so .
Better is it to try and win the wife . that kind of thing .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And yes, I would certainly hope christians are not teaching, nor approving of either women or men dressing like a whorish women, and or encouraging the grooming small children to be used for their own sexual pleasure and/or perversions. Any kind of sexual immorality at all.

I think we are talking about two different things. Or maybe not. Since you did include men and women both dressing like whorish women. There has to be some validity for why Jesus Christ brought out while yes there is murder…yet if one hates his brother he has already committed murder in his heart.

You said: “And yes, I would certainly hope christians are not teaching, nor approving of either women or men dressing like a whorish women, and or encouraging the grooming small children to be used for their own sexual pleasure and/or perversions. Any kind of sexual immorality at all.”

Isaiah 11:3-4 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: [4] But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

When you say Men and women dressed in whorish clothing …do you mean women with skirts too short or do you mean “take off the old man and his lust” and “put on the New Man”. What garments or clothing are you speaking off?
Galatians 5:19-26 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
^to me this “envying one another” is the topic of What is within is not outward appearance but God looks on the heart.


You said a lot in we are not to judge that which is without, but that which is within. Wow! Do you not see what you have said. To me that says stop judging by sight of what is outward, and look on that which is within. Within ourself. Are we able to look on what is within? To start there?

Those who encourage the grooming of small children to be used for their sexual pleasure.
Again…the Pharisees and religious leaders searched far and wide to groom those (not a literal child) but a newly yet still canal and without knowledge “child”, to get their hands on these to groom “little children” for their own sexual pleasure. Same type of grooming only one is without and one is within. They want to groom the heart of the little children; be careful not to be taken captive and lead away from the truth? There are those who love to make merchandise of you?
… only God knows the heart. We clearly judge after sight and reprove after the hearing of our ears. we should be careful judging by sight. there may be women and men in the body that come in not dressed in the right apparel, But that does not justify those who dress in the old man and call it the New. And while there are perverts who groom children, that doesn’t justify the children of God (those weak and impressionable) being groomed by men’s religion and doctrines that serves self.

 

[Verily]

Why do you think paul was telling them THIS is not a commandment but by permission .
In the law men were to put away UNBELIEVING spouses .
Paul was speaking by permission that we dont HAVE TO , because we might win them to CHRIST in time .
So it was allowed of GOD to be taught . But was not a commandment to do so .
Better is it to try and win the wife . that kind of thing .

See I differ on this, Paul said he spake by permission in 1 Cr 7:6

1 Cr 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Then 6 verses down he speaks this way

1 Cr 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

I see 1 Cr 7:6 applying to what is above it (not what is below it) and 1 Cr 7:12 applying to what follows it

In respects to 1 Cr 7:6 speaking that way because he just told them their bodies belong not to themselves but each other and so needed that permissable consentual thing between them and neither he nor either of them could do anything by way of commandment there.

 

[Verily]

I think we are talking about two different things. Or maybe not. Since you did include men and women both dressing like whorish women. There has to be some validity for why Jesus Christ brought out while yes there is murder…yet if one hates his brother he has already committed murder in his heart.

You said: “And yes, I would certainly hope christians are not teaching, nor approving of either women or men dressing like a whorish women, and or encouraging the grooming small children to be used for their own sexual pleasure and/or perversions. Any kind of sexual immorality at all.”

Isaiah 11:3-4 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: [4] But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Stop pretending that the apostles did not speak of how women ought not be adorning themselves as women, which has nothing at all in common with how these men in womens stripper clothes adorn themselves in womens clothing. Even if you wanted to pretend men in dresses was actually normal they do not represent a modestly apparelled woman but are displaying themselves in the attire of whorish women with the painted faces like Jezebel.

When you say Men and women dressed in whorish clothing …do you mean women with skirts too short or do you mean “take off the old man and his lust” and “put on the New Man”. What garments or clothing are you speaking off?
Galatians 5:19-26 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
^to me this “envying one another” is the topic of What is within is not outward appearance but God looks on the heart.

Look, if you want a women with strapped on dildos to preach from the pulpit, then that would be the church for you. The same goes for if you want men in stillettos with their tucked in dongs squeezing past their panty hose and to both sides of their thongs, you are free to join the pride church.

You would likely be the type to run into your husband in bed with another women and think, "Judge not by appearances" (its probably not what it looks like) and go off and pray about being more accepting of threesomes.

You said a lot in we are not to judge that which is without, but that which is within. Wow! Do you not see what you have said. To me that says stop judging by sight of what is outward, and look on that which is within. Within ourself. Are we able to look on what is within? To start there?

Thats right, if I catch my husband in bed with another woman I call a spade a spade, and from what I see "without" is the lust for another women going on "within"

That might seem ridiculous to you in your world, so enjoy your threesomes, but I wouldnt be participating in those

Those who encourage the grooming of small children to be used for their sexual pleasure.
Again…the Pharisees and religious leaders searched far and wide to groom those (not a literal child) but a newly yet still canal and without knowledge “child”, to get their hands on these to groom “little children” for their own sexual pleasure. Same type of grooming only one is without and one is within. They want to groom the heart of the little children; be careful not to be taken captive and lead away from the truth? There are those who love to make merchandise of you?
… only God knows the heart. We clearly judge after sight and reprove after the hearing of our ears. we should be careful judging by sight. there may be women and men in the body that come in not dressed in the right apparel, But that does not justify those who dress in the old man and call it the New. And while there are perverts who groom children, that doesn’t justify the children of God (those weak and impressionable) being groomed by men’s religion and doctrines that serves self.

What?


Edit: typo

 

[Verily]

You dont understand my friend , this interfaith that even trump and vance are part of
IS What this is all about .
Just avoid this finding common ground stuff they teach . They bring it in under the guise
we are working together with all religoins for the good of the world and etc .
ITS LEADERS beleive that all religoins do serve the same GOD differently .
SO if you wont watch the vidoe , just be sure to steer clear from those who speak about coming together
with the other religoins to do good works and etc . THEY make it sound good and for a good cause . ITS a snare my friend .

I didnt forget you @amingo de christo. Let me say that I dont think its always wrong to find "something" we can agree with it to go forward in a conversation concerning the truth of God.

For example, while Paul was waiting Silas and Timotheus to come to him in Athens it says,

Acts 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.

Just follow between there to here where Paul quotes Aratus (their own poet)

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

So Paul uses their poet's own words to challenge their obsession with idols.

Looking this up, Aratus, was supposedly a Cilician poet from around 272 BC. Paul uses a line from Aratus’ didactic poem titled “Phaenomena,” which begins with an invocation to Zeus.

The line quoted is

“For in Him we live and move and have our being,”

Derived from the opening

“All the ways are full of Zeus, and all the market-places of human beings. The sea is full of him; so are the harbors. In every way we have all to do with Zeus, for we are truly his offspring.”

Paul uses this quote to emphasize that God is near to all people and that they are part of His creation, challenging the Athenians’ belief in the divinity of idols.

So it can be done, even of other prophets, not the Lords for example in Titus 1:12-13

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul would say,

1 Cr 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

1 Cr 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

The Lord was in agreement with what was being said which is why the Lord gave permission for this to be in His Word.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Stop pretending that the apostles did not speak of how women ought not be adorning themselves as women, which has nothing at all in common with how these men in womens stripper clothes adorn themselves in womens clothing. Even if you wanted to pretend men in dresses was actually normal they do not represent a modestly apparelled woman but are displaying themselves in the attire of whorish women with the painted faces like Jezebel.

I never pretended they didn’t speak on outward adorning. They pointed to all that is Passing away.…but let it be the fruit of the Spirit. The hidden man of the heart which is precious in the sight of God. How is a hidden man inside women?

You would likely be the type to run into your husband in bed with another women and think, "Judge not by appearances" (its probably not what it looks like) and go off and pray about being more accepting of threesomes.

Now you are throwing false accusations. God knows if I’ve ever had a threesome or if that is what I am saying I approve of. I’m suggesting checking ourselves before we go pointing fingers. Personally I think in the end every single mouth will be stopped…yea mine and yours too… unable to point fingers at anyone else. I think you are missing that point.

Thats right, if I catch my husband in bed with another woman I call a spade a spade, and from what I see "without" is the lust for another women going on "within"

That might seem ridiculous to you in your world, so enjoy your threesomes, but I wouldnt be participating in those

Call a spade what it is. But maybe we all should start by looking in the mirror first. More False allegations that I don’t have to convince you of as wrong. Now at least I do know you lie.

 

[Verily]

The Lord was in agreement with what was being said which is why the Lord gave permission for this to be in His Word. View attachment 56541

I dont believe that is the case, but I also would not argue against it, I believe he spake what was right, I agree more with Gill's commentary on it.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I dont believe that is the case

OK, so then you acknowledge that Jesus Christ lacked the power and the ability to control what went in to God's canon?

Meaning.... satan was slipping lies in to God's Word and Jesus lacked the power and the ability to do anything about it?

If so, how do you have any basis to believe anything in God's Word at all?

 

[Verily]

I never pretended they didn’t speak on outward adorning. They pointed to all that is Passing away.…but let it be the fruit of the Spirit. The hidden man of the heart which is precious in the sight of God. How is a hidden man inside women?

Now you are throwing false accusations. God knows if I’ve ever had a threesome or if that is what I am saying I approve of. I’m suggesting checking ourselves before we go pointing fingers. Personally I think in the end every single mouth will be stopped…yea mine and yours too… unable to point fingers at anyone else. I think you are missing that point.

Call a spade what it is. But maybe we all should start by looking in the mirror first. More False allegations that I don’t have to convince you of as wrong. Now at least I do know you lie.

It is sarcasm not accusations VictoryinJesus. A false accusation is saying You did what you did not, sarcasm is saying, "You would likely be the type". Who is pointing that little finger at who now?

You do seem to look to accuse, you were triggered by something. I have said nothing to you, but you went after a single verse I posted in post #87, and have not let up wanting me to engage with you every which way you turned the thing. And that verse which when I had posted it had nothing at all to do with its context but rather I pulled it to contrast between it and the following verse I posted behind it (in Daniel) showing someone can be referred to by God in the former can also be shown confessing sin in the latter, which shows it does not mean sinlessness was my point. You went after that one verse (and I certainly didnt write it) and ever since have been lecturing me on it and bringing in the world (such as gay pride parades etc) into the picture when I keep quoting Paul who is speaking of those on the inside the church (and not the outside of it). I have hardly spoken a thing of myself, because I prefer to post mostly scriptures and the comparisons and contrasts to be made between them and try to show them agreeably in Jesus and Pauls writings and examples. And I have no idea why you are writing me walls of posts which started over a single verse and then branched out into "the WOW do you not see you are judging outward stuff"? Because I called the attire of a man dressed up (not like a modest woman) but painted up like a Jezebel in stripper gear "whorish". That adjective seemed to drive you bonkers because it become me "judging someone from the outward" thing. Its a known fact that those who do so derive sexual arousal (which is lust) from simply wearing the clothes of the opposite sex. You can even look that up, its called " Transvestic fetishism". So what they slip on (on their outward) arouses them (inwardly).

Lets not converse, I do not enjoy these back and forths with you.

 

[Verily]

OK, so then you acknowledge that Jesus Christ lacked the power and the ability to control what went in to God's canon?

Meaning.... satan was slipping lies in to God's Word and Jesus lacked the power and the ability to do anything about it?

If so, how do you have any basis to believe anything in God's Word at all? View attachment 56567

What?