Finger pointing and condemnation

[amigo de christo]

Because they were hypocrites.

would you like to know one of the largest examples of being a hyprocrite is ...
When men cliam to BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST and yet give the impression OH but its not necessary for people to believe .
WELCOME to interfaith the all inclusive . who use HIS NAME to promote a lie that denies HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

There was only three God named that could actually deliever their own souls by their own righteousness

Ezekiel 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

And Daniel is shown confessing his sin

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

Do you think Paul is marginalising other sinners here?

1 Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Cr 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

He did say in verse 11 To not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Isn't that a little bit more inclusive as far as excluding brethren from ourselves as far as Paul's instructions go?

Correct my friend . WHY were instructions such as these given by the apostels .
TO KEEP the church from leaven .
You see satan does know leaven will leaven the whole lump , so he is gonna make it seem as its being hateful , judgmental ,
condmening to actually Put one out , correct one . Satan wants the churches leavened up.
Many now follow a version of love that is of the world and this version is at enmity with GOD .
How so . look at what they love and accept and even call good evil and evil good .
THINGS that DISHONOR and blaspheme GOD , mock HIM , they now allow to be praticed , even honored
and all the while say GOD is love as a cover to do evil , to support sin , to suppport even a lie .
THE love of GOD rejoices IN TRUTH . There love rejoices in inquity and even attacks the truth that exposes their sins .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Correct my friend . WHY were instructions such as these given by the apostels .
TO KEEP the church from leaven .
You see satan does know leaven will leaven the whole lump , so he is gonna make it seem as its being hateful , judgmental ,
condmening to actually Put one out , correct one . Satan wants the churches leavened up.
Many now follow a version of love that is of the world and this version is at enmity with GOD .
How so . look at what they love and accept and even call good evil and evil good .
THINGS that DISHONOR and blaspheme GOD , mock HIM , they now allow to be praticed , even honored
and all the while say GOD is love as a cover to do evil , to support sin , to suppport even a lie .
THE love of GOD rejoices IN TRUTH . There love rejoices in inquity and even attacks the truth that exposes their sins .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Spotted sister , shewhuah droppeth gems , IS HERE . to the trenches sister .

 

[Lizbeth]

TO the trenches sister , it seems luciferian new age mysticism has WELL INFILATRED a ton of christendom .
I dont think many realize what exactly has been going on at all .
THEY INFILTRATED . they BRAINWASHED , they changed from within
and sister , it has went down the pipe into ALL realms of society and all her religoins as well .
WE GOT US a serious problem indeed .
THESE WICKED MEN OF BELIAL have been HANDLING every fabric of society .
THEY BEEN DUG IN and DUG IN WELL into all fabrics of society .
And sister When i say all , me means all . These politicains are OWNED
and when i say owned , sister i mean owned and when i say that i mean BOTH SIDES .
This depths of this depravity and great evil is ALL OVER THE WORLD and they drink from one cup .
And though the cup can appear to be whatever realm it enters , and panders to every realm by appearing
to be OF THAT denomination , of that religoin , of that poltiical side , ITS THE SAME CUP SISTER .
ITS THE SAME CUP and that cup is full of evil and of the agenda .

Amen. Owned by the spirit of the world, and we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in high places. Christianity and the blessing of God has managed to keep it more subdued for a time. And now it seems as though the restrainer is being taken away and the devil is being "loosed" from where he had been restrained, to work havoc in the last days.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Owned by the spirit of the world, and we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in high places. Christianity and the blessing of God has managed to keep it more subdued for a time. And now it seems as though the restrainer is being taken away and the devil is being "loosed" from where he had been restrained, to work havoc in the last days.

To the trenches dear sister . the love that pleases man and the flesh has captivated a lot of christendom
under the guise its the LOVE of GOD . the only god it loves sure seems to please the fleshly desires of men .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There was only three God named that could actually deliever their own souls by their own righteousness

Ezekiel 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

Interesting. What version is this? It’s meaning is way different from the lexicon which says
Ezekiel 14:19 Lexicon: "Or if I should send a plague against that country and pour out My wrath in blood on it to cut off man and beast from it,



Ezekiel 14:20 Lexicon: even though Noah, Daniel and Job were in its midst, as I live," declares the Lord GOD, "they could not deliver either their son or their daughter. They would deliver only themselves by their righteousness."

Way different and helps with the whole of Ezekiel 14 about setting up idols of the heart and putting a stumbling black before their own faces. (Jesus Christ speaks of this)

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 is necessary(Imo) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (life Giving) spirit. [46] However that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Why is that passage regarding the difference necessary, because that whole passage sounds different when it’s not they did deliver themselves by their own righteousness…but they would deliver themselves by their own righteousness. It is not as if their own righteousness delivered them (if we don’t believe it, then ask Paul who said his hope was to be found in Him not having his own righteousness which is by the law. but the righteousness of God which is by Faith in Christ—key there is “not having his own righteousness” —-instead Ezekiel says they would (think scatter and run) deliver themselves (only without their children, no fruit) by their own righteousness. A whole different picture telling us something about the flesh is not willing. It shows us how fleshly minded (or carnal minded) operates to save itself by its own righteousness. Read the Proverbs for how that goes. It doesn’t say it does deliver but would, the mind set is on “get out of here and save yourself”. “You are good enough”

as Adam was made a living soul…HUGE difference in Christ who is A LIFE GIVING Spirit! Jesus Christ tells us this in He is the Good Shepherd that doesn’t leave the sheep and we say he took the wrath of God in our place. Compare that to Ezekiel and the three that would (a mind set) save themselves by their own righteousness. He refers to that as an hireling which abandons the sheep caring not for the sheep. That is not bad mouthing the three but only showing there is a difference in a living soul which was first, and that which is last is a Life Giving Spirit, the Lord from heaven. We have all the verses: in Him is Life, I AM the Bread, I will give you Living Water.

Even being in the midst …the three would have run to save themselves by their own righteousness. This is the way of the fleshly mind that we battle even within ourselves. Which Christ came to overcome. Paul shows this transformation of the mind well in action. Would Saul save himself by his own righteousness? Yep. He would try. Would Paul? No.

Even the three spoke of Him who was to come that won’t abandon or leave to save himself but is Life Giving to the children, sons and daughters. Why did it please God to bruise Him. Good grief, how much more can God show His Nature in the Son? His Son (born of God) (This in My Son and in Him I am well pleased) who if the Father would send His wrath upon the World —-He would not deliver himself by His own righteousness (although He possessed all things, He became poor that we might be saved). different from the three that would deliver themselves by their own righteousness; He became a Life-giving Spirit that we might share in His Holiness! And that is God’s Righteousness which delivers, not our own righteousness.

 

[Marvelloustime]

To the trenches dear sister . the love that pleases man and the flesh has captivated a lot of christendom
under the guise its the LOVE of GOD . the only god it loves sure seems to please the fleshly desires of men .

@amigo de christo

 

[pepper]

James is encouraging

James 5:19-20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

I think christians can sometimes confuse the world (who we are not to judge and who are without) with those who call themselves a brother (who are within).

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Which are to be put out

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I can't imagine returning to this sort of thing

That's not church.

That's auditions for Hell.

 

[Verily]

Interesting. What version is this? It’s meaning is way different from the lexicon which says
Ezekiel 14:19 Lexicon: "Or if I should send a plague against that country and pour out My wrath in blood on it to cut off man and beast from it,



Ezekiel 14:20 Lexicon: even though Noah, Daniel and Job were in its midst, as I live," declares the Lord GOD, "they could not deliver either their son or their daughter. They would deliver only themselves by their righteousness."

Way different and helps with the whole of Ezekiel 14 about setting up idols of the heart and putting a stumbling black before their own faces. (Jesus Christ speaks of this)

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 is necessary(Imo) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (life Giving) spirit. [46] However that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Why is that passage regarding the difference necessary, because that whole passage sounds different when it’s not they did deliver themselves by their own righteousness…but they would deliver themselves by their own righteousness. It is not as if their own righteousness delivered them (if we don’t believe it, then ask Paul who said his hope was to be found in Him not having his own righteousness which is by the law. but the righteousness of God which is by Faith in Christ—key there is “not having his own righteousness” —-instead Ezekiel says they would (think scatter and run) deliver themselves (only without their children, no fruit) by their own righteousness. A whole different picture telling us something about the flesh is not willing. It shows us how fleshly minded (or carnal minded) operates to save itself by its own righteousness. Read the Proverbs for how that goes. It doesn’t say it does deliver but would, the mind set is on “get out of here and save yourself”. “You are good enough”

as Adam was made a living soul…HUGE difference in Christ who is A LIFE GIVING Spirit! Jesus Christ tells us this in He is the Good Shepherd that doesn’t leave the sheep and we say he took the wrath of God in our place. Compare that to Ezekiel and the three that would (a mind set) save themselves by their own righteousness. He refers to that as an hireling which abandons the sheep caring not for the sheep. That is not bad mouthing the three but only showing there is a difference in a living soul which was first, and that which is last is a Life Giving Spirit, the Lord from heaven. We have all the verses: in Him is Life, I AM the Bread, I will give you Living Water.

Even being in the midst …the three would have run to save themselves by their own righteousness. This is the way of the fleshly mind that we battle even within ourselves. Which Christ came to overcome. Paul shows this transformation of the mind well in action. Would Saul save himself by his own righteousness? Yep. He would try. Would Paul? No.

Even the three spoke of Him who was to come that won’t abandon or leave to save himself but is Life Giving to the children, sons and daughters. Why did it please God to bruise Him. Good grief, how much more can God show His Nature in the Son? His Son (born of God) (This in My Son and in Him I am well pleased) who if the Father would send His wrath upon the World —-He would not deliver himself by His own righteousness (although He possessed all things, He became poor that we might be saved). different from the three that would deliver themselves by their own righteousness; He became a Life-giving Spirit that we might share in His Holiness! And that is God’s Righteousness which delivers, not our own righteousness.

After this manner as it says in Jeremiah...

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

So after the fleeing the commission of the word of the LORD the first time the word of the Lord came again to Jonah

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

And again...

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

As the LORD hath said, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:

Whereas he says in Ezekiel ..." turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"

Ezek 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

Ezek 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

The comparison right here posted earlier

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luke 11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

And again,

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Ezek 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Similarly in Paul pure from the blood of all men

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Because he says

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

Similar in Felix

Acts 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

 

[Verily]

That's not church.

That's auditions for Hell.

That was actually good

 

[Verily]

Correct my friend . WHY were instructions such as these given by the apostels .
TO KEEP the church from leaven .
You see satan does know leaven will leaven the whole lump , so he is gonna make it seem as its being hateful , judgmental ,
condmening to actually Put one out , correct one . Satan wants the churches leavened up.
Many now follow a version of love that is of the world and this version is at enmity with GOD .
How so . look at what they love and accept and even call good evil and evil good .
THINGS that DISHONOR and blaspheme GOD , mock HIM , they now allow to be praticed , even honored
and all the while say GOD is love as a cover to do evil , to support sin , to suppport even a lie .
THE love of GOD rejoices IN TRUTH . There love rejoices in inquity and even attacks the truth that exposes their sins .

He does put a difference between who the church as a whole was to judge

1Cr 5:2 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?

do not ye judge them that are within?

Paul said, that he that had done that deed should have been taken away from among them.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Leaven

I was also looking at some comparisons in other places speaking of putting away leaven from their houses in the OT also, for example here

Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Or for instance, Jesus starts telling them to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees (spiritually speaking) and they start wondering about them not taking any bread, because of natural things which speak of leaven) and he says

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Then they understood

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

But just hitting on this leaven here again, more specifically the Pharisees

Luke 12:1 Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Peter likewise says,

1Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

And so just as Exodus shows the need for them to put away "leaven" out of your "houses" and we are his house, Paul says,

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Similar comparison between the blood of his sacrifice offered with leaven here

Exodus 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

And so again the feast without leaven

1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Keeping the feast with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth, not with the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

 

[amigo de christo]

After this manner as it says in Jeremiah...

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

So after the fleeing the commission of the word of the LORD the first time the word of the Lord came again to Jonah

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

And again...

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

As the LORD hath said, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:

Whereas he says in Ezekiel ..." turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"

Ezek 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

Ezek 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

The comparison right here posted earlier

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luke 11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

And again,

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Ezek 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Similarly in Paul pure from the blood of all men

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Because he says

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

Similar in Felix

Acts 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

Notice in early evangelism both the severity and goodness of GOD was preached to reach the lost .
Felix even trembled when paul spoke .....
Peter had cried to them , Save yourselves from this untoward generation .
The point being made is today folks act like to speak anything concering gravity , severity , warning is bad . No its not .
Save some through compassion , others through fear HATING even the garment spotted by the flesh .

 

[amigo de christo]

He does put a difference between who the church as a whole was to judge

1Cr 5:2 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?

do not ye judge them that are within?

Paul said, that he that had done that deed should have been taken away from among them.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Leaven

I was also looking at some comparisons in other places speaking of putting away leaven from their houses in the OT also, for example here

Exodus 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Or for instance, Jesus starts telling them to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees (spiritually speaking) and they start wondering about them not taking any bread, because of natural things which speak of leaven) and he says

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Then they understood

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

But just hitting on this leaven here again, more specifically the Pharisees

Luke 12:1 Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Peter likewise says,

1Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

And so just as Exodus shows the need for them to put away "leaven" out of your "houses" and we are his house, Paul says,

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Similar comparison between the blood of his sacrifice offered with leaven here

Exodus 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven;
neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

And so again the feast without leaven

1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Keeping the feast with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth, not with the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Something else i want us to remember and to take notice of is
Look how serious and sincere the early church leaders were about Not sinning , about keeping oneself pure
Yet today if even a warning is given about not sinning , people behave as though that is legalism and not of faith .
And rather they use lines like OH we all sinners , dont judge . IN effect that lets leaven go to the roof in such places .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Notice in early evangelism both the severity and goodness of GOD was preached to reach the lost .
Felix even trembled when paul spoke .....
Peter had cried to them , Save yourselves from this untoward generation .
The point being made is today folks act like to speak anything concering gravity , severity , warning is bad . No its not .
Save some through compassion , others through fear HATING even the garment spotted by the flesh .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Something else i want us to remember and to take notice of is
Look how serious and sincere the early church leaders were about Not sinning , about keeping oneself pure
Yet today if even a warning is given about not sinning , people behave as though that is legalism and not of faith .
And rather they use lines like OH we all sinners , dont judge . IN effect that lets leaven go to the roof in such places .

@amigo de christo

 

[MatthewG]

Thankful for the holy spirit/spirit of Christ which helps us in our lives, in and through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. It's amazing when ones life transforms from the old man, into the new man. Though the old man comes up again sometimes, let's not lie to ourselves and say that we do not sin. It's only the Spirit of Christ within us, when we abide in Jesus that sin does not come through because Jesus though he died for the sins of all people, he himself was sinless. It's never ourselves which are righteous, it is Yeshua within us and his righteousness which comes forward, and makes us right with Yahavah.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

You posted a lot but responded none regarding Ezekiel 14. Whether it is they shall be saved by righteousness. OR they would save themselves by their own righteousness.

Instead you go into a host of verses that approves (you say)of finger pointing. How do we know if you repent of the evil you do and turn from it …and I will repent of the evil I thought to do unto you…how do we know it is not
Isaiah 58:9-11 Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; you shall cry, and he will say, 'Here I am.' If you take away the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, [10] if you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. [11] And the LORD will guide you continually and satisfy your desire in scorched places and make your bones strong; and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

you’ve left off Jonah 4:9-11 But God said to Jonah, "Do you do well to be angry for the plant?" And he said, "Yes, I do well to be angry, angry enough to die." [10] And the LORD said, "You pity the plant, for which you did not labor, nor did you make it grow, which came into being in a night and perished in a night. [11] And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?"

Even those laughing and mocking and tempting Jesus Christ to save himself. His answer “Forgive them Father they know not what they do.” Who? Those doing things to him that honestly, I would have been shouting all the ways they are wrong and try my best to justify myself! I do this in arguments. I try and try to justify myself instead of like the Son of God submitted himself. That is foreign to this worlds ways.

Way different from Jonah which you are using as the model…what was God teaching Jonah that Christ revealed?

Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

again…finger pointing is one spoke of as “a yoke” among you that if you take it away, then I will hear you.. Regarding “yoke” He spoke to the Pharisees and religious leaders that they put heavy burdens on others yet, would not with a finger help any with those burdens. Also they tell others what not to do, while they themselves do what they tell others not to do.

 

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Hey, VIJ.

Yokes were something put on bulls, and cows and they would walk together. A Bull and a donkey if yoked together wont be successful in plowing the land if it was a need to be done, but overall it reminds me of the yoke that we have with Jesus himself.

Matthew 11:28-30 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

With you shared : Isaiah 58:9-11 Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; you shall cry, and he will say, 'Here I am.' If you take away the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,

Yahavah desires for us to remove this type of yoke from us, which is the finger-pointing, and speaking wickedly of a neighbor. Ultimately I believe being yoked with the Yeshua. Though with us having to let go of things and put that yoke around our neck, Jesus meets us where we are at and helps us to carry forward which he helps us unload our burdens to Yahavah, and makes life just a little bit easier.

There are so many things that we hold dear to ourselves that I believe we have to let go of, and ultimately put Yahavah/LORD above all of our other priorities and let him by the holy spirit/spirit of Christ work through us. And with Yeshua and all the things he has done, I believe he can help us it takes faith, it takes a little action too, when dealing with our own selves. It's all personal when it comes down to it when we look at the mirror, but deeper than that reflection is the heart beating within is us and what does it desire? Naturally it's to get own way.

 

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This one is perfect to bounce off of. Jesus saying

Depart from me ye that work iniquity

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And in this next one shows these are doing the following in his name

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied (( in thy name)) and (( in thy name)) have cast out devils (( in thy name )) and done many wonderful works?

But these are then told to depart from him, not on the basis of all the gifts or wonderful works but on the basis of them working iniquity

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never (( knew you )) depart from me, (( ye )) that (( work iniquity))

Paul seemed to understand this when he wrote to them who named the name of Christ to depart from iniquity

2 Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having (( this seal ))
The Lord (( knoweth them )) that are his. And, Let every one (( that nameth )) the name of Christ (( depart )) from iniquity.

So we have the assurance that

... The Lord (( knoweth them )) that are his.

On the contrary, these others ((naming his name)) while (( working iniquity )) unto whomhe says,

.... I profess unto them, I never (( knew you ))

And Paul admonishing those "who name his name" saying

... Let every one (( that nameth )) the name of Christ (( depart )) from iniquity.

Could it be that Paul understood that picture, and that there would be those naming the name of Christ who were working iniquity unto whom Jesus would say

... I never (( knew you )) depart from me, (( ye )) that (( work iniquity))

This shows an either or situation between the pictures, for example

Either depart from working inquity (as Paul says) or depart from him (ye who work iniquity) as Jesus says

So, the Lord knows those that are his (( who name his name )) just as there are those (( who alo name his name)) but unlike the former who (( work iniquity))

So we have the admonishment of Paul to (( depart from iniquity )) and an example of Jesus telling those who work it (( even while naming his name)) to (( depart from him))

"Lord, Lord" similarly

Whenever I see, "Lord, Lord" it sort of reminds me of being (( double minded )) or being foolish

For example, the foolish virgins as with those working iniquity where that (( Lord, Lord )) is.

And I have heard something before, like, these people trusted in their own works in this picture, where again it says

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, (( Lord, Lord )) have we not prophesied ((in thy name)) and (( in thy name)) have cast out devils and (( in thy name )) done many wonderful works?

But it does say he gave himself to purify us from iniquity, not that we should continue to work it

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from (( all iniquity )), and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (( zealous of)) good works. (See also Mark 16:7, & 1 Thes 5:20)

The works are a non issue here, the working iniquity part he is the part he is highlighting there.

Again,

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never (( knew you )) depart from me, (( ye that work)) iniquity.

And so Paul says,

... Let every one (( that nameth )) the name of Christ (( depart from )) iniquity.

The Father speaking to Jesus Christ highlights that Jesus hates iniquity

Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, (( and hated iniquity)) therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

In light of that, it says

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

As Paul said in 2 Ti 2:19 to "depart from iniquity" said in Romans 6:19... "as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

In otherwords, reverse course pursue holiness, not everyone gets a participation prize in the Kingdom of God