Extreme positions @Keiw

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Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

And yet I see no reference to a blood sacrifice until the offering of Abel in contrast to Cain’s. Abel was taught this by his parents - its what parents do Jane! Just because God provided clothing for Adam and his wife that first of all covered them modestly, Cover their shame from sin...

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Here is an example of where church doctrine and its defense removes you from accepting truth.

@Keiw states "Covering ones nakedness has 0 to do with forgiveness"

It's an interesting statement given what nakedness presents in the Bible.

My mind immediately went to Revelation 3:17

3:17 Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired great wealth, and need nothing,” but do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked, Re 3:17.

Now what happens in the natural (1st) also happens in the spiritual (2nd) - so if we are living a life in oppositon to Christ then we have no covering for sin. We are blind and naked so to speak. All of our shame from sin is open to his eyes.

So was Keiws comment an overreaction to defend his false doctrine about Adam & Eve being unsavable?

Also the parable of the wedding garment is another one

22:11 But when the king came in to see the wedding guests, he saw a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 22:12 And he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But he had nothing to say. 22:13 Then the king said to his attendants, ‘Tie him up hand and foot and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!’ 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Mt 22:11–14.

Now this might not imply he was naked but in the context a wedding guest who isnt wearing a wedding garment at the marraige of the lamb would imply they are blind and naked.

So I'm thinking of the case of Noah in his drunkeness being covered by his two boys is another example of a mans shame (sin) being covered.

And finally...the context being sin!

The Lord God made garments from skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. Ge 3:21

So care is needed when you make such an extreme comment, one should weigh the evidence in Scripture.

Other passages for consideration

47:2 Pick up millstones and grind flour! Remove your veil, strip off your skirt, expose your legs, cross the streams! 47:3 Let your private parts be exposed! Your genitals will be on display! I will get revenge; I will not have pity on anyone, Is 47:2–3.

“ ‘Therefore O prostitute, hear the word of the Lord: 16:36 This is what the sovereign Lord says: Because your lust was poured out and your nakedness was uncovered in your prostitution with your lovers, and because of all your detestable idols, and because of the blood of your children you have given to them Eze 16:35–36.

In the positive / opposite we have this divine priciple of being clothed, covered and forgiven:-

She was permitted to be dressed in bright, clean, fine linen” (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints) Re 19:8.

Now, do you think K, would retract his comment?

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Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

And yet I see no reference to a blood sacrifice until the offering of Abel in contrast to Cain’s. Abel was taught this by his parents - its what parents do Jane! Just because God provided clothing for Adam and his wife that first of all covered them modestly, Cover their shame from sin...

www.christianityboard.com

Here is an example of where church doctrine and its defense removes you from accepting truth.

@Keiw states "Covering ones nakedness has 0 to do with forgiveness"

It's an interesting statement given what nakedness presents in the Bible.

My mind immediately went to Revelation 3:17

3:17 Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired great wealth, and need nothing,” but do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked, Re 3:17.

Now what happens in the natural (1st) also happens in the spiritual (2nd) - so if we are living a life in oppositon to Christ then we have no covering for sin. We are blind and naked so to speak. All of our shame from sin is open to his eyes.

So was Keiws comment an overreaction to defend his false doctrine about Adam & Eve being unsavable?

Also the parable of the wedding garment is another one

22:11 But when the king came in to see the wedding guests, he saw a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 22:12 And he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But he had nothing to say. 22:13 Then the king said to his attendants, ‘Tie him up hand and foot and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!’ 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Mt 22:11–14.

Now this might not imply he was naked but in the context a wedding guest who isnt wearing a wedding garment at the marraige of the lamb would imply they are blind and naked.

So I'm thinking of the case of Noah in his drunkeness being covered by his two boys is another example of a mans shame (sin) being covered.

And finally...the context being sin!

The Lord God made garments from skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. Ge 3:21

So care is needed when you make such an extreme comment, one should weigh the evidence in Scripture.

Other passages for consideration

47:2 Pick up millstones and grind flour! Remove your veil, strip off your skirt, expose your legs, cross the streams! 47:3 Let your private parts be exposed! Your genitals will be on display! I will get revenge; I will not have pity on anyone, Is 47:2–3.

“ ‘Therefore O prostitute, hear the word of the Lord: 16:36 This is what the sovereign Lord says: Because your lust was poured out and your nakedness was uncovered in your prostitution with your lovers, and because of all your detestable idols, and because of the blood of your children you have given to them Eze 16:35–36.

In the positive / opposite we have this divine priciple of being clothed, covered and forgiven:-

She was permitted to be dressed in bright, clean, fine linen” (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints) Re 19:8.

Now, do you think K, would retract his comment?

F2F

How come these aren't covered-Matt 7:21-23--these have clothes on and their nakedness is covered thus must be saved in your thinking. But Jesus tells them the opposite. That is judgement-- One does not want to hear those words from Jesus.

 

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How come these aren't covered-Matt 7:21-23--these have clothes on and their nakedness is covered thus must be saved in your thinking. But Jesus tells them the opposite. That is judgement-- One does not want to hear those words from Jesus.

The covering of A&E's nakedness and subsequent lessons in the Scripture are examples of the shame that came from sin. Nakedness is used this way in the Bible to convey the shame, sin and need for a covering.

Now the figure is not used everywhere Keiw - the 5 foolish virgins no doubt had clothes on but did they have Christ as their covering?

7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven—only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 7:22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 7:23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers! Mt 7:21–23.

Again, these could well be clothed but did they have Christ as their covering? And if not, are they not poor, blind and naked?

I think this is the issue with you, Aunty Jane and the others....you are unable to see the spiritual principles being taught in Genesis 3 so as Aunty does she runs off with her "they need cloths so not to get sunburnt" over the deeper things which God is teaching there.

She, and you may look back and see how naïve and immature your understanding is of Genesis 3, or you may not.

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The covering of A&E's nakedness and subsequent lessons in the Scripture are examples of the shame that came from sin. Nakedness is used this way in the Bible to convey the shame, sin and need for a covering.

Now the figure is not used everywhere Keiw - the 5 foolish virgins no doubt had clothes on but did they have Christ as their covering?

7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven—only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 7:22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 7:23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers! Mt 7:21–23.

Again, these could well be clothed but did they have Christ as their covering? And if not, are they not poor, blind and naked?

I think this is the issue with you, Aunty Jane and the others....you are unable to see the spiritual principles being taught in Genesis 3 so as Aunty does she runs off with her "they need cloths so not to get sunburnt" over the deeper things which God is teaching there.

She, and you may look back and see how naïve and immature your understanding is of Genesis 3, or you may not.

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God will show all who is in error.

 

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God will show all who is in error.

Do you have anything of value to add or just this throw away comment?

 

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@Keiw states "Covering ones nakedness has 0 to do with forgiveness"

Still true in your eyes?