Explain Revelations So Even I Can Understand It

[Davy]

You make a remark, but do not answer it.

Paul quoted the passage from Hosea 1:10 and/or 2:23 to the Gentiles in Romans 9:24-26.

So what's your thought about this, Davy, since it seemed that the Hosea verses were referencing the Northern tribes, but Paul and Peter (1 Peter 2:10) both use Hosea's remarks toward the Gentiles?

And what makes the issue more curious is the rest of Hosea's chapters are God prophesying His reuniting the Northern kingdom with Judah and having one Head (small h or capital H).

What say ye, Davy?

Just where... was your question in the first place??? This is the first time I'm reading that you even asked me this question.

But it's no problem to answer.

The Book of Hosea was... 'specifically' written only to the ten tribe "house of Israel". Anyone near blindness can read in Hosea 1 that God is pointing to the ten tribe northern kingdom, called the "house of Israel", and even linking Jeroboam, king of Israel, that He gave ten tribes to back in 1 Kings 11.

Furthermore, those ten tribes were not in the holy land at Lord Jesus' 1st coming. They were still scattered, beyond Euphrates the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) had said. And per 2 Chronicles 11, a small remnant of the northern ten tribes refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship, and went south to Jerusalem and joined with Judah. (for those who think to pull a fast one with trying to put the ten tribes still in the holy land at Jesus' 1st coming, only those small remnants were, and they became religious Jews just like the tribes of Benjamin and Levi did).

What God did to the ten northern tribes under Ephraim was similar to what happened to Joseph when he was separated from his brethren in Egypt. Joseph is who God's Birthright went to, and then after him to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh (1 Chronicles 5). And per Genesis 48, the younger Ephraim was put over his elder brother Manasseh. And thus Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim was chosen by God Himself to be king over the northern ten tribes, and GOD called that Kingdom 'Israel'! It kind of points out that to God, wherever the MAJORITY of the Israelite tribes are, THAT... especially represents HIS Israel.

Jacob even said that Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations"! (Genesis 48:17-20) This is also why God's blessing through Moses about Joseph has Ephraim connected in it per Deuteronomy 33:13-17. God even said that Ephraim was "the strength of Mine head" (Psalms 60:7), and God said that Ephraim was His 'firstborn' (Jeremiah 31:9). And in Jeremiah 31:20, God called Ephraim his "dear son", and said He will have mercy upon him. Even in Ezekiel 37, God uses the tribe of Ephraim to represent the "stick of Joseph" that He will in final join back together with the "stick of Judah" (Ezekiel 37:19).

Is that not enough Bible prophecy then to understand that God scattered the majority of Israelites, the ten northern tribes, and they became weaved among the Gentiles, and The Gospel of Jesus Christ went to both, and they both became 'one' body through Faith in Jesus Christ?

So of course Apostle Paul would quote from the Book of Hosea about God's mercy upon the ten tribe house of Israel in final, joined with believing Gentiles in The Gospel of Jesus Christ!

But don't forget, the 'majority' of the southern "kingdom of Judah" that went captive to Babylon stayed in Babylon after their captivity. Then they, like the ten tribes of Israel, were also scattered through the countries, never to return. Many of those became Christians with believing Gentiles also, especially in the traditional western Christian nations. God fulfilled that "multitude of nations" prophecy to Ephraim with That Gospel. When you look at the first nations to receive The Gospel on grand scales after the Passion of Christ, that was that prophecy being fulfilled.

I tell you then, you guys that don't study your Old Testament Books sure have missed a lot of God's Truth in His Word. I'm a Gentile and I say that!

 

[dad]

Notice Jeroboam in the above is who God made king over Israel, and it was about TEN TRIBES.

There was a time when that was important since the nation was divided. So? You really think that was supposed to mean that tribes are lost now?

I'd really like to take time to chit-chat with you about this matter, but sorry, it's obvious you have some Bible homework to do on it. So I'd wind up trying to spoon-feed you God's Word line upon line when you ought to already know about the matter of the two separate kingdoms that God split old Israel into.

Yes I think we all know that is history. Have you given up trying to parlay that into the present? Ha

 

[Pythagorean12]

Nothing was predestined before God created the earth.

Not so.
Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

But he had a contingency plan for Adam's children even before they were born.

Do you realize your statement can't be supported with scripture?

God had a purpose that he laid out to the first pair, but he did not know, or plan for them to fail. What he did was prepare a contingency for all eventualities that might have taken place due to the exercise of their free will. If they had no free will, then the tree in the garden that they were forbidden to touch would have been meaningless. Death would only come by disobedience...a free willed choice of action.

Arrived at by being cognizant of the dual poles relating to conscious awareness of right and wrong.
However, Adam and Eve did not possess this knowledge.
They did not know right from wrong, the difference and import of good nor evil.
They could not make an informed choice to obey God about not eating the fruit, because they had no knowledge of consequences. Which is arrived at with the requisite conscious awareness of right and wrong, good or evil, so to make an informed free choice.

The serpent knew about the Tree of Knowledge. He could only be aware if God informed him.
If God didn't plan the fall, why would he create all things, including the tree bearing the fruit that would condemn humanity, in Eden and then gaze upon all his creation and judge it good? When sovereign omniscience would know what was to come.

The bible is written from an observers perspective. While God, who created all things, knows all in advance because everything that exists operates according to his design for it.

God did not want humankind to be robots or merely programmed by instinct like the animals....they were to represent their Creator here as caretakers and zookeepers, equipped with all the necessary attributes of God himself to do that job well.

Not so.
After Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden tree God said they had become like us, having knowledge of good and evil. God dd not wish Adam and Eve to eat later of the tree of life and become immortal.
Being conscious of good and evil, right and wrong, is the Godly trait referred to there. The tree of knowledge, its fruit making the consumer like unto God. Therefore, we were not intended to represent God while on earth. Because were we to have been intended to do that, God would have to be a sinner the way we are before he draws his Elect to Jesus.

God's first purpose got sidelined but it did not disappear. (Isaiah 55:11) Via a detour, God gets us back all that Adam lost for his children.....that is the result of implementing the rulership of the Kingdom.

Isaiah 55:11 does not support your statement.
11.so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.

If anyone knows what denomination teaches God is not Omniscient and can be surprised by his creation, please contribute that information to this thread. Thank you all in advance.

If humans had never sinned, Christ would never have needed to come and rescue them.

Humans only sinned because God's law against eating of the tree of knowledge came to exist after he created the tree.
Humans would never have sinned if God did not do this. There is no sin imputed against humans where there is no law.
God is sovereign over his creation. He is also omniscient. There is no thing God does not know.

Adam and Eve were doomed to fail. They were predestined to fail. Otherwise, the Lamb's Book of Life would not have been written before there were humans who would need to be saved.

If God's first purpose had gone ahead (if satan had not derailed it by tempting the humans to separate from their Creator for his own selfish purpose) then a vastly different scenario would have played out.

The serpent knew the exact tree he would have to lay in wait in so to tempt Eve. If the serpent was fallen Lucifer known as Satan, how would he come about that knowledge of the forbidden fruit being he was merely Lord of this world?
Hint: God told him.
We know Satan returned to heaven to confer with God when he accepted God's challenge regarding Job's faith.

So what was God's first purpose for mankind?...It was to have a perfect race of human beings who were physically strong and healthy, designed for the task that he had set before them....what was that? The fill the earth with their offspring, and to extend the borders of their paradise home until the whole world was like the garden of Eden. That is what God told them to do.....but satan deceived the woman and then she tempted the man. He had them!...to do with as he pleased.
Because they chose to disobey God, he handed the rulership of the world over to the one they did choose to obey. (Luke 4:5-7)...and the rest, as they say...is history.

And yet Adam and Eve were still able to reproduce future sinners after their fall.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:28,

How do the first two humans ever created replenish a newly created earth?

So you are now disagreeing with your own link? But they are correct.....it is not individuals who are pre-determined for rulership, only that God's Kingdom would be the means to address the rebellion and to have those whom God 'elected' to do the job of bringing mankind back to paradise.

As I said, I disagree with their observation about individuals not being predestined.

Jesus warned them....
Revelation 2:10...
"Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life."

They had to prove themselves "faithful unto death" in order to receive "the crown of life". No predestination there.

Of course there is. That's why Jesus warned not to be afraid about things you are about to suffer. If he didn't predestine the future he would have had no reason to warn about staying strong when the suffering does come.

Matthew 24:24...
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."
If the elect can be misled...then there is no predestination.

No predestination? There is Omniscience and Predestination both in that verse. The Book of Revelation is prophetic!
Prophecy rendered from Prophets is evidence of prophets informing of God's future plans.

Matthew 24:13...
"But the one who has endured to the end will be saved."

Merely an assurance to the Elect. We were saved the moment we accepted Jesus after God led us to his gospel. That verse isn't anything more than telling us not to worry about trials and tribulations because our faith keeps us eternally being sealed by God's promise.

Yes....abuse of free will led to death in Eden and still does today. Man has to put aside his own way of doing things, and choose God's way of salvation in order to survive the coming tribulation. You cannot "earn" salvation but you still have to qualify for it.

Nonsense. We do not have to qualify for salvation.

This is the book of the human genome. All its parts are written in the DNA, which is a code of information concerning the 'assembly' of human beings as well as every creature on earth. This not the book of life.

This is not scripture.

What tradition do you follow? Denomination? Doctrine?

 

[dad]

One point though. God predestined all things before he created the world.
One may want to think it is instead God predestined whom he'd save before he created the human race. However, those semantics do not alter the fact God predestined, predetermined, whom he would save before there was a human race that needed saving.

Nope. He predestined that all who would accept Jesus would be saved. Not who would be damned or saved. He did know who would do what. That is very very very different from making them do it. Oh, and making them to do it is exactly making them do it. The bible teaches men need to repent. We need to choose who we serve. We need to come to Him, to seek, to knock, to ask. Then we will receive. Whosoever WILL, let Him come. Not whosoever was pre programmed, let him come!

 

[David H.]

So, can anyone explain this book at a 4th grade level in just a short paragraph or two?

Too many people focus on the negatives of Revelation, Instead of Christ Jesus and His church. So they spend endless hours discussing nuances of who the beast is and the timeline of events, etc.

Simply put, Revelation is describing the Spiritual Birth of the church of the faithful to becoming saints of the age to come, and Revelation of Jesus who will be their head of the Body. The simplicity of the process of birth is contained therein, Birth pangs to Labor to delivery to sorrow turning to Joy after the Birth.

 

[Pythagorean12]

Too many people focus on the negatives of Revelation, Instead of Christ Jesus and His church. So they spend endless hours discussing nuances of who the beast is and the timeline of events, etc.

Simply put, Revelation is describing the Spiritual Birth of the church of the faithful to becoming saints of the age to come, and Revelation of Jesus who will be their head of the Body. The simplicity of the process of birth is contained therein, Birth pangs to Labor to delivery to sorrow turning to Joy after the Birth.

Revelation is prophecy. All that God has predestined unto the end of days.

 

[Truth7t7]

Too many people focus on the negatives of Revelation, Instead of Christ Jesus and His church. So they spend endless hours discussing nuances of who the beast is and the timeline of events, etc.

Simply put, Revelation is describing the Spiritual Birth of the church of the faithful to becoming saints of the age to come, and Revelation of Jesus who will be their head of the Body. The simplicity of the process of birth is contained therein, Birth pangs to Labor to delivery to sorrow turning to Joy after the Birth.

Revelation is a detailed description of end time events, leading up to the second coming of Jesus Christ and end of this world

 

[David H.]

Revelation is prophecy. All that God has predestined unto the end of days.

Revelation is a detailed description of end time events, leading up to the second coming of Jesus Christ and end of this world

He asked us to explain Revelation in a paragraph or two. Not what it is, but what it means.

 

[Pythagorean12]

He asked us to explain Revelation in a paragraph or two. Not what it is, but what it means.

We did. What Revelation is, is the meaning of revelations of God.

 

[NewMusic]

Just where... was your question in the first place??? This is the first time I'm reading that you even asked me this question.

But it's no problem to answer.

The Book of Hosea was... 'specifically' written only to the ten tribe "house of Israel". Anyone near blindness can read in Hosea 1 that God is pointing to the ten tribe northern kingdom, called the "house of Israel", and even linking Jeroboam, king of Israel, that He gave ten tribes to back in 1 Kings 11.

Furthermore, those ten tribes were not in the holy land at Lord Jesus' 1st coming. They were still scattered, beyond Euphrates the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) had said. And per 2 Chronicles 11, a small remnant of the northern ten tribes refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship, and went south to Jerusalem and joined with Judah. (for those who think to pull a fast one with trying to put the ten tribes still in the holy land at Jesus' 1st coming, only those small remnants were, and they became religious Jews just like the tribes of Benjamin and Levi did).

What God did to the ten northern tribes under Ephraim was similar to what happened to Joseph when he was separated from his brethren in Egypt. Joseph is who God's Birthright went to, and then after him to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh (1 Chronicles 5). And per Genesis 48, the younger Ephraim was put over his elder brother Manasseh. And thus Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim was chosen by God Himself to be king over the northern ten tribes, and GOD called that Kingdom 'Israel'! It kind of points out that to God, wherever the MAJORITY of the Israelite tribes are, THAT... especially represents HIS Israel.

Jacob even said that Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations"! (Genesis 48:17-20) This is also why God's blessing through Moses about Joseph has Ephraim connected in it per Deuteronomy 33:13-17. God even said that Ephraim was "the strength of Mine head" (Psalms 60:7), and God said that Ephraim was His 'firstborn' (Jeremiah 31:9). And in Jeremiah 31:20, God called Ephraim his "dear son", and said He will have mercy upon him. Even in Ezekiel 37, God uses the tribe of Ephraim to represent the "stick of Joseph" that He will in final join back together with the "stick of Judah" (Ezekiel 37:19).

Is that not enough Bible prophecy then to understand that God scattered the majority of Israelites, the ten northern tribes, and they became weaved among the Gentiles, and The Gospel of Jesus Christ went to both, and they both became 'one' body through Faith in Jesus Christ?

So of course Apostle Paul would quote from the Book of Hosea about God's mercy upon the ten tribe house of Israel in final, joined with believing Gentiles in The Gospel of Jesus Christ!

But don't forget, the 'majority' of the southern "kingdom of Judah" that went captive to Babylon stayed in Babylon after their captivity. Then they, like the ten tribes of Israel, were also scattered through the countries, never to return. Many of those became Christians with believing Gentiles also, especially in the traditional western Christian nations. God fulfilled that "multitude of nations" prophecy to Ephraim with That Gospel. When you look at the first nations to receive The Gospel on grand scales after the Passion of Christ, that was that prophecy being fulfilled.

I tell you then, you guys that don't study your Old Testament Books sure have missed a lot of God's Truth in His Word. I'm a Gentile and I say that!

Maybe all that you just wrote answers my question that I asked you, but I'd like to hear you say it more clearly.

Are you saying that we gentiles who have accepted Christ, are in any way connected with the 10 Tribes that Hosea was addressing?

Or is it more of a figurative thing you are saying, that the Gentiles are similar to the 10 Tribes that God disowned?

I'm trying to see the connection that you have "alluded to".

 

[Aunty Jane]

Not so.
Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

That is a really bad translation of that verse.
It reads...
"just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love."
Seriously, how many times must you be shown that this is not the creation of the planet.....
"Foundation is "katabolē" and it means...

1. "a throwing or laying down
   1. the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the womb
      
      
   2. of the seed of plants and animals"

"World" is "kosmos" and refers to.... "the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family"
So your whole premise is based on a bad translation. This is talking about the human family descended from Adam.....these are the ones who inherited sin and death from him.....the ones whom Christ came to rescue.

Do you realize your statement can't be supported with scripture?

Yes it can....If humans did not have free will then, God's placing of the TKGE was pointless. He told them not to take the fruit from that tree under penalty of death. Did he put it there to mock them? Or did they really have the option NOT to take this fruit that their Sovereign Creator claimed for himself. It was his property and to steal something from a Sovereign Ruler was a serious crime, no matter how small the item was.
It wasn't the act of eating the fruit that gained them the death penalty per se....it was the act of defying a direct command of their God.
Life from day one was conditional....it depended on obedience. Obey and live...disobey and die. It wasn't rocket science.

Arrived at by being cognizant of the dual poles relating to conscious awareness of right and wrong.
However, Adam and Eve did not possess this knowledge.
They did not know right from wrong, the difference and import of good nor evil.

But they did know what disobedience was, and they did know what God's command meant.

Creation itself is full of opposites.....and knowing those opposites and having choices about them is part of everyday life....up/down...in/out....forward/backward...with/without....front/back....under/over etc...But the one piece of knowledge that God wanted to withhold from the humans was the opposites of good and evil......why? Because the highest, noblest good was opposed by the basest of disgusting evil.....God had no intention of giving that knowledge to his children, because it would not benefit them in any way....he would decide what was good and what was not, and he would allow only good things into their life experience in Paradise. It could have ended well for everyone, but free will has to be treated as the precious gift that it was intended to be.....abuse it and it becomes a curse.

They could not make an informed choice to obey God about not eating the fruit, because they had no knowledge of consequences. Which is arrived at with the requisite conscious awareness of right and wrong, good or evil, so to make an informed free choice.

What makes you think that they were uneducated about those things?...particularly Adam who had been in existence on his own for quite some time. God had him name all the animals before his wife was created.
Does a child know when his parents have given him sufficient information that if he touches a certain food to which he is highly allergic, that it might lead to his death? These were adults, not children.....do you think that God somehow failed to give them all the information they needed to keep living?
Did he set them up to fail? If so, why would he?

The serpent knew about the Tree of Knowledge. He could only be aware if God informed him.

Actually, satan was in the garden on assignment and was a witness to everything that took place there. He knew that he could tempt the man if he could just get the woman to think that eating the fruit was a good idea.....she was alone when he approached her, and his little scheme worked.
If satan became a deceiver and a liar, and God knew all along that he would create pain, suffering and death for the human race, why would he allow that happen? If "God loved the world so much".....why did any of the suffering and death need to take place?

If God didn't plan the fall, why would he create all things, including the tree bearing the fruit that would condemn humanity, in Eden and then gaze upon all his creation and judge it good? When sovereign omniscience would know what was to come.

That is the very thing that tells me that he planned none of it....what God planned was the rescue mission.....and it involved the torture and death of his precious son....you think he planned that? Seriously?

The bible is written from an observers perspective. While God, who created all things, knows all in advance because everything that exists operates according to his design for it.

God is Omniscient but it doesn't mean that he chooses to know everything just because he can. By giving the humans free will, he allowed them to make their choices and he would deal with them as they arose. All of God's actions with regard to the conduct of his covenanted nation were reactions to their choices. Did he plan for Israel to be disobedient enough to warrant exile in Babylon for 70 years? One can only ask "WHY"?

 

[Wrangler]

Seriously, how many times must you be shown that this is not the creation of the planet.....

Did he put it there to mock them? Or did they really have the option NOT to take this fruit that their Sovereign Creator claimed for himself.

What makes you think that they were uneducated about those things?

These were adults, not children.....do you think that God somehow failed to give them all the information they needed to keep living?

Did he set them up to fail? If so, why would he?

If satan became a deceiver and a liar, and God knew all along that he would create pain, suffering and death for the human race, why would he allow that happen? If "God loved the world so much".....why did any of the suffering and death need to take place?

That is the very thing that tells me that he planned none of it....what God planned was the rescue mission.....and it involved the torture and death of his precious son....you think he planned that? Seriously?

Did he plan for Israel to be disobedient enough to warrant exile in Babylon for 70 years? One can only ask "WHY"?

Each question could be its own thread.

 

[Pythagorean12]

That is a really bad translation of that verse.
It reads...
"just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love."
Seriously, how many times must you be shown that this is not the creation of the planet.....
"Foundation is "katabolē" and it means...

1. "a throwing or laying down
   1. the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the womb
      
      
   2. of the seed of plants and animals"

"World" is "kosmos" and refers to.... "the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family"
So your whole premise is based on a bad translation. This is talking about the human family descended from Adam.....these are the ones who inherited sin and death from him.....the ones whom Christ came to rescue.

When you're wrong, more than one reiteration is too many.

The rest of your post is the same.
You, as with another here, excise parts of the bible and conjure your own narrative.

God does what he wants with his creation. Everything is
accordingly due to his will and glory.

Satan won't send us to hell for being sinners. God will.
And just remember, sin pre-existed Eden.
It was active in Heaven first.
God didn't send Satan and his angels to that first prison he created for them after their defeat in the war in Heaven.
God sent them here, and made Satan lord.

If anyone thinks sinners go to hell after they die, ask why? When that place that was opened up to receive them after it was created to punish Satan, has yet to receive him and his angels. Because God let's them make war on us here still.

And if one verse can, and does, prove God's sovereign predeterminisim of all things, it is Jesus directing us in how to pray to him, the father of all things.

"Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come thy will be done. On earth as it is in heaven."

 

[Pythagorean12]

Each question could be its own thread.

Maybe. Each question was answered in the bible, written from an observers perspective, first. And we see how that is received.

All those questions, answered in scripture. But not received. Because God's truth isn't what some want to face.

 

[nenagana]

(the gospel largely has unclean things to say about these genetic lines....ephraim, half manasseh, aaron and dan)
(and they are removed from the book of revelation, but since humanity is a filthy corpse, humanity needs to also die dumb and blind, this is also achieved at the end of time)
(humanity will die in only a few years to 2061, so the small details may not be important, being blind and dumb is a considerable divide for the faithful, the "ARMY OF THE BLIND AND DUMB", is cast away spiritually and god saves out of that cesspool, there's no direct indicators of salvation in creation, that is apart of its design)
(this will have to be settled the removal of controversy with considerable loss of life, the kind of controversy that arrises from using new age bibles that specifically, remove the names of, jesus/messiah/lord, you can go from publication to publication, and then sadly verify this inaccuracy, against some earlier recordings of the bible)

BACK TO TOPIC (Revelations Simplified)
(humanity will spend the remainder of its years, suffering in pain, until it is deceased, and this suffering and pain will be increased more with humanities suicide pleasure with the son of man, or with the faithful or with itself............because that suffering will be MORE AND MORE, not less and less, will see, massive deaths, and from humanity, in its pleasure doing imperfect works, this is how humanity dies, its not a bad way to die, but its good because humanity is just a mechanism for god to save out of this cesspool) (this is a "sin offering" for god in the last days)

(when jerusalem falls, when we obtain RABIES, there will be a greater confidence in the faith as humanity continues to die in suicide in its pleasure) (its not a bad way to die, but this is how humanity dies)

I JOHN 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
MATTHEW 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
MATTHEW 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
MATTHEW 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

God Numbers the SEALS
God Numbers the TRUMPETS
God Numbers the VIALS (Plague)

1. "Gospel's Tables" - God has the Totality of Humanity in View, its suicide pleasure, its "dirth charge", makes it unprofitable for god to set into motion certain activities, relating to judgement or mercy (this earth has no rainbow, you let jews and minorities into colleges and universities, and you don't understand what you are teaching out our neighboring planets)

2. "The Son of Man/The Faithful" - God has taken every action he said he would, you don't need a sign or a vision (Jesus made it clear, in the new testament, God wouldn't rebuke mankind with a sign or a vision for the sake of the faithful.............and as much as a minority teaches otherwise, Jesus number his body and testimony, not the temple in jerusalem or anything else..........furthermore, the gospel is DEAD CLEAR, about, God not numbering the suicide pleasure of BABYLON, of the jews or anyone else prostituting themselves for pleasure)

3. "Pandemic/Plaque" - God is Holy, the Judgment is Holy, and Humanity just is not............God has cyclical behavior corresponding with the earth and the gospel's program, at certain intersections more then others, and.............although god is not going to do much, because god doesn't expend energy in man's suidcide pleasure, more then the potential yield the judgement is susposed to bring at completion..............there is natural evolutions to this argument, and humanity makes its own excuses, but following history, we have a few expectations today, and one is RABIES.

(God completed the SEALS with Jesus, and God also VOIDED THEM, that is a consequence of humanities dirth charge with those genetic lines specifically...............this is the real opportunity for humanity to die, dumb and blind, feeding its suicide pleasure, and that highlights god's mercy for the faithful.................all meaning 100% of minorities if not a great many, just don't understand or comprehend spirituality because they cannot, period) (this does not mean humanity will do this or that, or have some big war, its one advent of suicide pleasure to the next, before humanity is deceased, in only a few years)

(i.imgur.com/UiogWZu.png...........maybe the je*s and minorities will die in mass...........or maybe they will just dispose of themselves and their families and for pleasure, leave no account, this is cyclically, but the bottomline is god is not looking to the son of man for a judgment, and that is a significant benefit for humanity facing its death, this will be more clear when jerusalem kills or drives out its jewish people and when we also see RABIES)

(THIS ERA, of fake and new age bibles will be abolished when jerusalem falls, with perhaps RABIES, and the jewish people specifically are driven out of that area, completely)

 

[Pythagorean12]

(the gospel largely has unclean things to say about these genetic lines....ephraim, half manasseh, aaron and dan)
(and they are removed from the book of revelation, but since humanity is a filthy corpse, humanity needs to also die dumb and blind, this is also achieved at the end of time)
(humanity will die in only a few years to 2061, so the small details may not be important, being blind and dumb is a considerable divide for the faithful, the "ARMY OF THE BLIND AND DUMB", is cast away spiritually and god saves out of that cesspool, there's no direct indicators of salvation in creation, that is apart of its design)
(this will have to be settled the removal of controversy with considerable loss of life, the kind of controversy that arrises from using new age bibles that specifically, remove the names of, jesus/messiah/lord, you can go from publication to publication, and then sadly verify this inaccuracy, against some earlier recordings of the bible)

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EDITING

The bible is written from the observer perspective.

However, the trouble is when that which is said to be divinely communicated is so to the attention of egocentric man.
Power and control. Transfer worldly authority so that it is not believed to be man dictating rules of behavior but an invisible spirit that will burn the disobedient for eternity, and conformity is achieved.

Yet God does speak to those without the eyes to see only words on a page, or hear words reciting them aloud.
Discernment is re-cognizing the difference.
Largely though many are afraid to know that.
As such their god is created in their image and likeness.

Interestingly enough, God in the OT is wholly different than what we read of God in the new.

 

[nenagana]

(people have been thumping this bible verse for years "NO MAN KNOW THE DAY OR HOUR"............that's correct under the assumption that the Seven Trumpets God describes in the revelation are the "faithful only"...............indicating there is no conditional* or cyclical* attachment (that is the law))

(the conditional attachment is to the SEALS, the cyclical attachment is to the VIALS)

(Satan is classified for "pleasure's sake" or "suicide pleasure" arguments..........because history is deleted so quickly and frequently, we don't have somewhat accurate information from humanity, since the last few decades, when information spread faster then it could actively be deleted) (in which case reviewing the events of Edward Leedskalnin, when he disclosed god's mercies and wanted to make it mainstay, he was undone by the pleasure of satan wanted to act out the euthanasia the angel performed, in the previous controversy of their suicide pleasure with the son of man) (that kind of filthiness from country to country in that day is triple A, what history records is, guaranteed to have certain aspects repeated out of pleasure by removing information)

GENESIS 2:14 And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates.
GENESIS 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
DANIEL 10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
DANIEL 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
DANIEL 10:4 And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which [is] Hiddekel;

Daniel is not describing an earthly place, so this is treated as a prophecy. 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses and 3 Weeks of Years = 2022 (my 40th birthday, or 39 years of Ezekiel 4:5 from Halley's Comet in 2061)
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It was at that time 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses, that God allowed some identification for the son of man to the garden snake (pyramid builder covenant of god blessing with a soulmate). Because of Humanity Dirth Charge, significant action was taken, but God didn't involve jerusalem or anything, it was entirely a corporate earth field argument that was applied...............it is these FAKE/NEW AGE BIBLES, that uncleanly remove information to make the jewish people or jerusalem seem more important then it is, or to make their lives seem more important then their lives should be.
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(everything will be resolved soon, but before that, the only profitable thing is to get rid of portions of the leadership in various places, 100 percent in recorded history and in the biblical history, euthanasia of the leadership is seen as a requirement, that is a significant issue in man's suicide pleasure, and spiritual authority conflict, then once that is done, the people can be driven out of the land, the suicide pleasure, will show correctly, the people killing themselves many times more then any action from the son of man, and the total argument is a "sin offering for god", so much of anything won't take place) (the only way the people will benefit, is to remove minorities from the book of the living, that is also a frequent theme in the gospel)

 

[Enoch111]

...Revelation is describing the Spiritual Birth of the church...

You won't find any such thing in Revelation. After the first three chapters (addressed to specific churches, not the Church) there is no mention of "the Church" (nor "churches"). Why? Because the Church is already in Heaven at that time, and the prophecies are about the divine judgments ON EARTH. That is the bulk of Revelation.

 

[Wrangler]

Maybe. Each question was answered in the bible

If this were true, why do you answer with maybe?

 

[Pythagorean12]

If this were true, why do you answer with maybe?

Because of a reply like unto yours there should I have stated a fact.

Some reply likened unto, "True? Why would you answer it's true? Can you prove it? If you could, why didn't you?"