Everyone Goes to Heaven

[GodisSpirit]

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 ESV
24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

How is this Verse saying Satan and the Fallen Angels will be Saved?

 

[GodisSpirit]

1 Corinthians 15 says that Jesus rules until ALL enemies are converted.

There is NOTHING about Conversion in this Verse.

How do you get Conversion?

 

[GodisSpirit]

I don't think Harold is here anymore.

Thank You!

 

[Patrick1966]

How is calling Jesus Lord going to help them when Jesus said:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Initially they will be denied. They are fake Christians. They will be cleansed in the Lake of Fire. There they will learn repentance and thereafter they will go to Jesus in sincerity. In 1 Corinthians 15, Jesus is WAITING. That's why Paul said that Jesus MUST rule until ALL of his enemies are "under his feet". If, as most Christians believe, Jesus was simply going to condemn them to an eternal torture chamber, he wouldn't need to wait. On the contrary, Jesus is patiently waiting for those cast into the Lake of Fire to come to repentance and then to him.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Patrick1966]

There is NOTHING about Conversion in this Verse.

How do you get Conversion?

All are under his feet which means they are all loyal to Jesus.

 

[Patrick1966]

So now, You, are calling Jesus a Liar!

 

[GodisSpirit]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

 

[Patrick1966]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

I have no idea. I was a Catholic for the first 50 years of my life. Some of their doctrines didn't make sense to me and so I picked up a Bible and unlearned much of what I was taught. I also discovered that most English Bible translations contradict themselves. That is when I learned about the mistranslations that gave us false doctrines such as forever punishment.

 

[Patrick1966]

Patrick1966,​

Just curious here, and have no intention to say or react, but interested, in what is your Denomination that closest describes how you believe?

Do you believe that Jesus is incapable of persuading all beings to repent and follow him?

 

[Patrick1966]

How is this Verse saying Satan and the Fallen Angels will be Saved?

Because they too will be under his feet. They will repent and follow Jesus.

 

[GodisSpirit]

I have no idea. I was a Catholic for the first 50 years of my life. Some of their doctrines didn't make sense to me and so I picked up a Bible and unlearned much of what I was taught. I also discovered that most English Bible translations contradict themselves. That is when I learned about the mistranslations that gave us false doctrines such as forever punishment.

We all have to start somewhere and I am happy that you have made it this far.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Do you believe that Jesus is incapable of persuading all beings to repent and follow him?

God is capable of doing anything He desires. But, since He claims to be the same yesterday, today, and forever, we should only believe what we know for a fact. I know some Verses almost give us lead way to presume many things. But, as a whole, that is how we base each Verse. Here is the Bible, this is the intent of the Bible, and here are the key points and highlights. All Scripture meaning should be held within those parameters.

This is how False Doctrines are created when we read one Verse, even though it has Verses before and after, and those Verses help us to see the One Verse clearer. But in a Doctrine, it's so far out of context, you know it can never be of God.

 

[Jack]

Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.

And Universalists are doing Satan's work.

 

[Patrick1966]

We all have to start somewhere and I am happy that you have made it this far.

Thanks but I have always believed in Jesus and that we must follow his commandments, including trying to love one another. That's all one needs to believe and do to be saved. Doctrinal knowledge doesn't matter.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Because they too will be under his feet. They will repent and follow Jesus.

Angels are incapable of changing their minds once they made a decision.
So, how do you suppose God will allow them to repent when they don't want to and know their destiny?

Jesus, [[did not Die]] for the Angels.

 

[Patrick1966]

God is capable of doing anything He desires.

Didn't Jesus say that it is the will of the Father that NONE be lost? Do you believe that God's will is circumvented and that many are lost forever?

 

[GodisSpirit]

Didn't Jesus say that it is the will of the Father that NONE be lost? Do you believe that God's will is circumvented and that many are lost forever?

God, does not want No Human to be lost.
Angels, are not human.

 

[Patrick1966]

Angels are incapable of changing their minds once they made a decision.

I believe that God transformed angels into Satan and "fallen" angels and is using them for our education and edification. After all, God doesn't produce bad fruit. Jesus himself said that a good tree CANNOT produce bad fruit. Therefore, the only rational explanation is that God transformed them, and it makes perfect sense.

 

[Patrick1966]

God, does not want No Human to be lost.
Angels, are not human.

It is your belief that all people will be with God?

 

[GodisSpirit]

It is your belief that all people will be with God?

No, I believe what God said:

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God

These PEOPLE, in Verses 19-21, made up their minds and God has given them EVERY chance to change.
You only get to the moment you die to Choose.
Those, who deny and reject God, once they die, it's over forever.

LOOK what God says about them:
So they are without excuse.