but the verse says it’s not of you or yourself!
You have no part to play!
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:8
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but the verse says it’s not of you or yourself!
You have no part to play!
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
that’s what it says!
so it refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ in which Mary ever virgin mother of God believed for us and obtained all graces for us!
Ronald Nolette
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the faith god gave you to believe. It was His to give you to exercise!
@Ronald Nolette John 6 says this rather similarly to Ephesians 2.8, indeed... :)
Jim B
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Right. I didn't create my own salvation, it was a gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8-10, " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them."
Again, early 17th century Englyshe can be confusing and can lead to misinterpretations, intentional or otherwise. "From yourselves" is much clearer. Grace is not from myself, it comes from God.
Why can't you understand what this clearly says??? Christians are saved by God, not by our own efforts.
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This is a reboot of a post a few months back. My answer today is the same as back then: the phrase, "and not of yourselves" refers to how we are saved, which is by [his] grace. The faith is ours. While it was delivered to us, it's not the faith someone else has in Christ. Eph 1:15, 1 Peter 1:7-9 and quite a few other verses explain that.
We are saved by grace, not of ourselves: which means our works. Our works don't save us. Our faith gives us access to his grace.
What of works? Nothing wrong with them until you try to base your salvation on them or tear down another person for their lack of works.
We are saved by grace, not of ourselves: which means our works. Our works don't save us. Our faith gives us access to his grace.
What of works? Nothing wrong with them until you try to base your salvation on them or tear down another person for their lack of works.
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Jim B
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It's from the New English Translation, a.k.a, the NET Bible. It's a fairly new translation and, aside from being well-translated into modern English from the best sources, has over 60,000(!) translators' notes that explain why certain phrases were chosen, giving the Greek and Hebrew words, as well as alternative readings, doctrinal notes, etc. It is my favorite translation.
You can read it (and the notes) for free at biblegateway.com Have a look!
Behold
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"Justification by Faith"
"Faith is counted as Righteousness"
"Abraham is the father of our FAITH".
"Salvation is By FAITH, and not by works, (without works) lest any man will boast".
When you give God your FAITH in Christ, God instantly Gives you "the Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness", and Christ who is eternal life comes to live in you.. "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".
Jim B
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Right! Faith is not of yourself, it is the gift of God!
Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God"
Why can't you understand this? Are you really so blinded to the truth?
refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ and believed by Mary for us, and received the grace of salvation for us!
it cannot be your faith!
You can’t have faith 2000 yrs ago!
Not of yourselves!
eph 2:8 refers to the redemption (possibility of salvation) by Christ in His blood and death, Mary believed for us and obtained all the graces we need for justification, sanctification, and salvation!
if you think your saved by “faith alone” the you would have salvation the first moment you believed!
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
and faith would be greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is greatest!
Charity
Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing.
1 cor 13:12 now abide faith, hope, and charity, and the greatest of these is charity.
@Lambano In the light of what the Lord Jesus says about faith in John 6, it does seem safe to conclude that faith is indeed a work of God.
Lambano
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In light of the immediate context of John 6:28, Then said they unto him, "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?" I have to conclude that "works of God" as used in John 6:29, Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" means "that which God requires of us". Don't get hung up on the faith/works dichotomy that will historically get introduced 1,500 years later.
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Lambano
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Or did that happen before the foundation of the world, as stated in Ephesians 1:4, the chapter immediately preceding the one under discussion?
When does salvation happen? If God sees all places and all times from eternity past to eternity yet-to-come, does it matter?
'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that (the whole thing) not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'
(Eph 2:8)
Hello @Lambano,
Yes, I agree absolutely.
Thank God for giving you clarity.
In Christ Jesus
Chris :)
and that (the whole thing) not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'
(Eph 2:8)
Hello @Lambano,
Yes, I agree absolutely.
Thank God for giving you clarity.
In Christ Jesus
Chris :)
