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amigo de christo

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Absolutely. And only the lambs will endure to the end and not be deceived.
FOR JESUS IS WITH THEM and THEY HEED ONLY HIS VOICE and walk by the POWER of HIS INDWELLING SPIRIT .
but many will be betrayed , many will bleed and the most of christendom and the united religoins
WILL NEVER KNOW they do the work of anti christ as they agree with and help RID THE EARTH of all non conformers
to what they THOUGHT was LOVE AND GOD but was really THAT WHICH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . it cannot be stopped
it WILL RUN its course with fire and fiery trials will be upon all the lambs who conformed not to the lie .
The lambs fear not man or what he can do . The cost will be the cost . THE LORD is with them and unto HE do they HEED .
 

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Yes, I believe that Satan will look like a man, which is the reason that a multitude of people will be deceived and believe this “man” is Jesus. This Antichrist of antichrists will claim to be God and will be performing all sorts of deceptive signs and lying wonders to delude the masses. How many times did Jesus say, “Do not be deceived.”
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Who entered into judas . and what did JESUS later call judas . THE SON of PERDITION .
Judas betrayed JESUS and was as one who was WITHIN and not as an outsider .
SO marvel not that ANTI CHRIST and that which is of anti christ CAN COME FROM WITHIN EVEN VERY CHRISTENDOM ITSELF .
IT has . And our betrayer and betrayal draws nigh . INTERFAITH WILL RUN its course and the false love
broad road will be their golden bull they praise and worship . that god is their god . and beleive me
WHEN i said that god will be their god , and did not rather say THAT GOD WILL BE THIER GOD . cause it aint GOD friend .
IT AINT GOD . satan knows how to make things sound so good , so loving and so much for humanity
BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER HE ONLY DESIRES their death . Meanwhile this lamb GONNA PREACH ONLY JESUS THE CHRIST .
and All lovely GOD INSPIRED TRUTH .
 

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Who entered into judas . and what did JESUS later call judas . THE SON of PERDITION .
Judas betrayed JESUS and was as one who was WITHIN and not as an outsider .
SO marvel not that ANTI CHRIST and that which is of anti christ CAN COME FROM WITHIN EVEN VERY CHRISTENDOM ITSELF .
IT has . And our betrayer and betrayal draws nigh . INTERFAITH WILL RUN its course and the false love
broad road will be their golden bull they praise and worship . that god is their god . and beleive me
WHEN i said that god will be their god , and did not rather say THAT GOD WILL BE THIER GOD . cause it aint GOD friend .
IT AINT GOD . satan knows how to make things sound so good , so loving and so much for humanity
BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER HE ONLY DESIRES their death . Meanwhile this lamb GONNA PREACH ONLY JESUS THE CHRIST .
and All lovely GOD INSPIRED TRUTH .
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Being on the narrow gate is as simple and easy as just proclaiming to know God or being in a relationship with him. It's a lot more work than that.

What do you say, Episkopos?
 

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"I will not always strive with Man" (OT) does eventually equate with "the things concerning Me have an end" (Gospels, from memory), meaning the Lord (Door) will eventually close to further believers.
 

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Entering by the Narrow Gate​

It's got stainless nylon hinges
 
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I'll break it down for those who are interested.
Let's--

Verse 17 (TR):
ὅτι ὁ καιρὸς τοῦ ἄρξασθαι τὸ κρίμα ἀπὸ τοῦ οἴκου τοῦ Θεοῦ· εἰ δὲ πρῶτον ἀφ' ἡμῶν, τί τὸ τέλος τῶν ἀπειθούντων τῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ εὐαγγελίῳ;

Key Terms:
ὁ καιρὸς (the time): This refers to a specific appointed time or season, not an eschatological phase like the Bema or GWT judgments explicitly.

τοῦ κρίμα (the judgment): The noun κρίμα is general and refers to judicial action, divine discipline, or evaluation. It does not inherently specify the Bema or Great White Throne judgment unless determined by the broader context.

ἀπειθούντων τῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ εὐαγγελίῳ (those disobedient to the gospel of God): This clearly refers to unbelievers, contrasting them with the house of God (believers). The emphasis is on their refusal to submit to the gospel message.

Interpretation: The passage emphasizes that God's judgment starts with believers (likely divine chastisement or testing) but transitions to unbelievers, whose end (τέλος) will be far more severe.

Verse 18 (TR):
καὶ εἰ ὁ δίκαιος μόλις σῴζεται, ὁ ἀσεβὴς καὶ ἁμαρτωλὸς ποῦ φανεῖται;

Key Terms:
μόλις σῴζεται (scarcely saved): This implies difficulty or great cost, not a lack of assurance but a reflection of the trials and persecutions believers endure.
ἀσεβὴς καὶ ἁμαρτωλὸς (ungodly and sinner): These terms collectively refer to those outside the covenant community of God.

Interpretation: The righteous are saved through hardship and divine perseverance. By contrast, the ungodly and sinners have no standing before God in the ultimate reckoning.


No Explicit Reference to the Bema or GWT Judgments:

The text does not explicitly reference the Bema (judgment seat of Christ for believers, often associated with rewards) or the Great White Throne judgment (GWT). It deals more broadly with divine judgment as a principle-beginning with God's people and extending to the unrighteous.

Associating verse 17 with the Bema judgment and verse 18 with the GWT involves reading into the text a dispensational framework not explicitly present in the passage.

Four Destinies Are Not Explicitly Mentioned:


While the text implies a separation between believers and unbelievers, the idea of four distinct destinies (e.g., saints with glory, saints without glory, ungodly punished, etc.) is not clearly delineated in the passage itself.

The phrase μόλις σῴζεται (scarcely saved) speaks to the difficulty of salvation in the context of suffering and persecution, not a destiny of lesser glory.

Judgment of the Nations (Matthew 25) Is Not in View:

The judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31-46 deals with a separate eschatological context (the separation of sheep and goats). 1 Peter 4:17-18 focuses on God's judgment in a more general and theological sense, addressing how God holds all accountable.

Interpretation of the "House of God" as Only the First Resurrection:

The phrase "house of God" (οἶκος τοῦ Θεοῦ) in Scripture often refers to the covenant community (both Old and New Testament contexts), emphasizing accountability and divine discipline. It does not explicitly refer to the first resurrection.

Theological Considerations:
The text emphasizes divine judgment as a continuous and comprehensive process. It begins with those who are closest to God (believers) and culminates in the final judgment of the unrighteous.

The difficulty experienced by the righteous (verse 18) reflects the reality of sanctification in a fallen world, not an indication of lesser reward or distinction among the saved.

The destiny of the ungodly and sinners is indeed eternal separation from God (Revelation 20:11-15, Lake of Fire), but 1 Peter 4 does not directly address this in detail.

Conclusion:
1 Peter 4:17-18 speaks to the universal scope of God's judgment, beginning with His own people as a means of refining and testing their faith, and culminating in the ultimate judgment of the disobedient.

It does not explicitly describe the Bema or GWT judgments nor articulate four distinct destinies.

While the general theological framework aligns with God's justice and accountability for both believers and unbelievers, the distinctions drawn in the interpretation require additional textual or theological support to be upheld fully.

J.
 

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Matthew 7

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7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
 
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In Hebrew we can see the definite article with the word (et) that denotes another separate article.....like et hashamyim ve (AND) et haaretz.... the heavens and the earth. The "and" separates things to compare other things. In English, people will use more than one adjective for one noun...as well as in Hebrew and Greek. You are stuck here. But you are not being careful to see that 2 nouns separated by an "and" is speaking of two separate things.
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The explanation you provided contains a mix of accurate observations and misunderstandings about the Hebrew grammar of Genesis 1:1 and the general function of the definite article (ha-) and the particle et in Biblical Hebrew. Below is a scholarly breakdown to clarify these points.

1. The Particle et (אֵת):

Et in Biblical Hebrew is not a "separate article" but a marker of the definite direct object. It precedes nouns that are the definite objects of a verb and serves no other semantic function.

Example:
בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
"God created the heavens (אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם) and the earth (וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ)."

Here, et marks both the heavens and the earth as direct objects of the verb bara ("created").

Et is not a definite article itself but appears with definite nouns (nouns preceded by ha-).

The particle et does not imply separation or comparison. Its function is purely grammatical, signaling what the verb acts upon.

2. The Conjunction ve- (וְ, "and"):
The Hebrew conjunction ve- simply links two nouns or clauses. Its function does not inherently signify separation or comparison. It is a straightforward copulative conjunction equivalent to "and" in English.

Example:
et hashamayim ve-et ha'aretz (אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ) translates as "the heavens and the earth," a single phrase encompassing the totality of creation.

There is no inherent grammatical or linguistic implication that the two nouns are being compared or contrasted in this construction. Instead, the two nouns are joined to indicate the totality of the created universe.

3. Definite Article ha- (הַ):

In Hebrew, the definite article (ha-) is prefixed to nouns to specify definiteness, functioning similarly to "the" in English.
Example: ha-shamayim (הַשָּׁמַיִם, "the heavens") and ha-aretz (הָאָרֶץ, "the earth").

The presence of the definite article in Genesis 1:1 (et ha-shamayim ve-et ha-aretz) indicates that both "heavens" and "earth" are specific and definite entities.

4. Do Shamayim and Aretz Refer to Two Separate Things?

Yes, shamayim ("heavens") and aretz ("earth") are distinct entities within the Hebrew worldview. However, in Genesis 1:1, they are not being "compared" but rather presented as complementary components of the created universe.

This pairing is a common Hebrew literary device called a merism, where two extremes or opposites are mentioned to indicate totality.

Example: "Heavens and earth" means the entire created order, much like "day and night" means "all time."

5. Adjectives and Nouns in Hebrew:
It is true that in both Hebrew and Greek, adjectives can modify a single noun or multiple nouns, depending on context. However, Genesis 1:1 does not involve adjectives-it involves two distinct nouns joined by a conjunction.

6. Potential Misunderstanding:

Your claim that "and" (ve-) inherently separates things to allow for comparison is incorrect.

While "and" can sometimes imply contrast or distinction in specific contexts, its primary role in Hebrew is to join words or clauses. The interpretation of separation or comparison must come from context, not the mere presence of ve-.

Conclusion:
Et does not indicate separation or comparison but merely marks definite direct objects.

Ve- in Genesis 1:1 functions as a conjunction to join "the heavens" and "the earth" into a unified description of the created cosmos.

The "heavens and the earth" phrase should be understood as a merism indicating the totality of creation, not a comparison of two separate and contrasting things.

Thus-your claim about separation and comparison in this case is not supported by the grammar or syntax of the Hebrew text. @Episkopos

Thanks.

J.
 

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Incorrect-

The explanation you provided contains a mix of accurate observations and misunderstandings about the Hebrew grammar of Genesis 1:1 and the general function of the definite article (ha-) and the particle et in Biblical Hebrew. Below is a scholarly breakdown to clarify these points.

1. The Particle et (אֵת):

Et in Biblical Hebrew is not a "separate article" but a marker of the definite direct object. It precedes nouns that are the definite objects of a verb and serves no other semantic function.

Example:
בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ
"God created the heavens (אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם) and the earth (וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ)."

Here, et marks both the heavens and the earth as direct objects of the verb bara ("created").

Et is not a definite article itself but appears with definite nouns (nouns preceded by ha-).

The particle et does not imply separation or comparison. Its function is purely grammatical, signaling what the verb acts upon.

2. The Conjunction ve- (וְ, "and"):
The Hebrew conjunction ve- simply links two nouns or clauses. Its function does not inherently signify separation or comparison. It is a straightforward copulative conjunction equivalent to "and" in English.

Example:
et hashamayim ve-et ha'aretz (אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ) translates as "the heavens and the earth," a single phrase encompassing the totality of creation.

There is no inherent grammatical or linguistic implication that the two nouns are being compared or contrasted in this construction. Instead, the two nouns are joined to indicate the totality of the created universe.

3. Definite Article ha- (הַ):

In Hebrew, the definite article (ha-) is prefixed to nouns to specify definiteness, functioning similarly to "the" in English.
Example: ha-shamayim (הַשָּׁמַיִם, "the heavens") and ha-aretz (הָאָרֶץ, "the earth").

The presence of the definite article in Genesis 1:1 (et ha-shamayim ve-et ha-aretz) indicates that both "heavens" and "earth" are specific and definite entities.

4. Do Shamayim and Aretz Refer to Two Separate Things?

Yes, shamayim ("heavens") and aretz ("earth") are distinct entities within the Hebrew worldview. However, in Genesis 1:1, they are not being "compared" but rather presented as complementary components of the created universe.

This pairing is a common Hebrew literary device called a merism, where two extremes or opposites are mentioned to indicate totality.

Example: "Heavens and earth" means the entire created order, much like "day and night" means "all time."

5. Adjectives and Nouns in Hebrew:
It is true that in both Hebrew and Greek, adjectives can modify a single noun or multiple nouns, depending on context. However, Genesis 1:1 does not involve adjectives-it involves two distinct nouns joined by a conjunction.

6. Potential Misunderstanding:

Your claim that "and" (ve-) inherently separates things to allow for comparison is incorrect.

While "and" can sometimes imply contrast or distinction in specific contexts, its primary role in Hebrew is to join words or clauses. The interpretation of separation or comparison must come from context, not the mere presence of ve-.

Conclusion:
Et does not indicate separation or comparison but merely marks definite direct objects.

Ve- in Genesis 1:1 functions as a conjunction to join "the heavens" and "the earth" into a unified description of the created cosmos.

The "heavens and the earth" phrase should be understood as a merism indicating the totality of creation, not a comparison of two separate and contrasting things.

Thus-your claim about separation and comparison in this case is not supported by the grammar or syntax of the Hebrew text. @Episkopos

Thanks.

J.
This is another silly obfuscation of yours to try covering up something basic and obvious by making a moot point unrelated to the statement I made. Since the verb acts on each noun individually these definite articles (as nouns) can be directly compared with each other. Light and darkness, death and life. The fact that you are unable to compare them means that you see no difference...which backs up my argument that you are speaking without any experience. All you have is google.
When I don't answer your silly pointless "explanations" it doesn't mean you are right. I ignore your obfuscations for the most part.

If you actually understood what I was saying, you wouldn't have to pretend that you did with posts that show that you think what I'm saying is more "technical" than it is. Basic truth escapes you.
 
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Since the verb acts on each noun individually these definite articles (as nouns) can be directly compared with each other. Light and darkness, death and life. The fact that you are unable to compare them means that you see no difference...which backs up my argument that you are speaking without any experience. All you have is google.
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"The verb acts on each noun individually":

Yes, if a single verb governs multiple nouns, it grammatically acts on each noun. For example, in Hebrew or Greek, a verb can connect to two distinct nouns joined by a conjunction (like "and").

Example: Genesis 1:1: "God created [verb] the heavens and the earth" — here, the verb "created" applies to both "heavens" and "earth."

2. Your misunderstanding of Definite Articles:

"Definite articles (as nouns)":
Definite articles (ha- in Hebrew, ho/hē/to in Greek) are not nouns; they are grammatical markers attached to nouns to indicate definiteness.

Example: ha-shamayim = "the heavens," and ha-aretz = "the earth." The nouns are "shamayim" (heavens) and "aretz" (earth), while ha- specifies "the."

3. Comparison of Nouns:

"These definite articles (as nouns) can be directly compared with each other":

Nouns connected by "and" (ve- in Hebrew, kai in Greek) are not automatically being compared unless the context suggests it.

Phrases like "light and darkness" or "life and death" are often examples of merisms-a rhetorical device where two opposites represent a whole.

In Genesis 1:4, for instance, God "separates" light from darkness, making them distinct entities. But in Genesis 1:1, "heavens and earth" are not contrasted; they signify the totality of creation.

4. When Comparison Happens:
Comparison occurs when the context explicitly contrasts two nouns (e.g., "life and death" in Deuteronomy 30:19), but this is a matter of meaning, not grammar. The conjunction "and" (ve- or kai) does not inherently imply comparison.

Your statement is partially correct in recognizing that a verb acts on each noun individually. However, the idea that definite articles themselves are nouns or that connected nouns are always compared is incorrect. Proper interpretation depends on context and the intended meaning of the passage, not just the grammatical structure.



Through a straightforward process of elimination, it becomes evident who is in error and who is not. However, I do not wish to waste my time or energy engaging with you, as your gospel stands in direct opposition to the true gospel of Christ Jesus.

The "mighty one" refuses correction, as I anticipated, and instead responds with reactions and further ad hominem attacks. Additionally, you fail to mention the Cross, the death and resurrection of Jesus, or the vital process of sanctification that follows @Episkopos.

J.
 

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All of the obfuscations on my threads meant to stop people from entering into the truth. Just like the Pharisees who entered not in themselves and tried very hard to hinder others. To some, that is a "ministry".
 
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All of the obfuscations on my threads meant to stop people from entering into the truth. Just like the Pharisees who entered not in themselves and tried very hard to hinder others. To some, that is a "ministry".
I noticed a couple of typos and grammatical errors, but more concerning is the one who is obfuscating and blocking the way, ensuring that no one can experience life in Christ Jesus-that is you, @Episkopos.

You do not practice what you preach, which points to another gospel altogether.

J.
 

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I noticed a couple of typos and grammatical errors, but more concerning is the one who is obfuscating and blocking the way, ensuring that no one can experience life in Christ Jesus-that is you, @Episkopos.

You do not practice what you preach, which points to another gospel altogether.

J.
False. I am extending the possibility that someone might hear the truth in my words, and then seek the Lord for themselves and know Him. Using google out of context does not bring the knowledge of God.

You would have to stop trusting in men and your own carnal mind.

Seek the Lord and live.
 
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False. I am extending the possibility that someone might hear the truth in my words, and then seek the Lord for themselves and know Him. Using google out of context does not bring the knowledge of God.
2 Timothy 2:15:
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

1 John 2:27:
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Psalm 119:18:
"Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law."

Romans 12:2:
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

I do not need Google, @Episkopos, but if you wish, I can provide resources on Hebrew grammar-basic, intermediate, and advanced. What I share is in context, and your proof-text verses can easily be refuted. Furthermore, I don’t need you to enlighten me on the Scriptures, as the Holy Spirit is here to illuminate and open the eyes of our understanding to rightly divide the word of YHVH.

Thanks

J.
 

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To "obey the Gospel" is to BELIEVE IT. = That is how you obey it as.. "ALL that believe in Jesus shall be saved"..

"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"

Understand... that to "receive Christ as your Savior" is to have BELIEVED ""the Gospel of the Grace of God"

Once you do that, you are born again by the Holy Spirit, and have entered through "the Narrow Gate" = who is Jesus, Himself.

"I am the ONLY WAY... (narrow way) to the FATHER.."""

This is the : CROSS of CHRIST

There is your "Narrow Way".....and all other "ways" are the "broad WAY .. that leads to destruction"... =(Hell) .
Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Either we are trusting 100% in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost. It does not get any narrower than that.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 

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Never heard of that.

The reason you've never heard of it, is because Its not a a true NT theology.. Its not a true NT Doctrine. Its not anything that Paul Teaches or would ever teach.

So, get ready for some "bizarre" nonsense, absurd religiosity...if this member decides to get it up an running for you.