Election 2012... Who are you voting for?

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Who will you vote for this presidential election?

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Someone else

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Not Voting

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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rockytopva

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I would have voted Mitt Romney if he were Catholic or Protestant (non-Catholic but Christian), but I cannot go along with the Mormon religion, so I am not voting Republican for president this year. On the otherhand, the Democratic position on homosexuality and abortion is equally bad... So it was tough.
 

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Am curious, Rocktopva.
What specific part(s) of Mr. Romney's Mormon faith would you expect him to impart/inflict on the American people if he becomes President?

Mr. Obama - in his own words - is a Christian, yet he supports abortion up to and including partial birth abortion.
And while in the IL Senate declined more than once to support a law that required doctors to provide medical care for babies born after a botched abortion.
He has also, since taking office, changed his declared position and now supports gay marraige and refuses to support the Defense Of Marraige Act which he had previously promised to uphold.
 

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Some scriptures to ponder:

Psa 75:6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
Psa 75:7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Here He takes a heathen King to take Israel
Jer 43:10 And say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will set his throne upon these stones that I have hid; and he shall spread his royal pavilion over them.

Jer 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,

Isa 44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Just as God can use a heathen man to bring bondage He can use a heathen to bring freedom.

Axehead
 

rockytopva

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Am curious, Rocktopva.
What specific part(s) of Mr. Romney's Mormon faith would you expect him to impart/inflict on the American people if he becomes President?

Mr. Obama - in his own words - is a Christian, yet he supports abortion up to and including partial birth abortion.
And while in the IL Senate declined more than once to support a law that required doctors to provide medical care for babies born after a botched abortion.
He has also, since taking office, changed his declared position and now supports gay marraige and refuses to support the Defense Of Marraige Act which he had previously promised to uphold.

Foreigner... All tough stuff... I utterly detest Mormonism... This alone was the defining factor. Christians don't choose to abort babies or adopt mates of the same sex.

So the choice is a tough one for me.
 

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Am curious, Rocktopva.
What specific part(s) of Mr. Romney's Mormon faith would you expect him to impart/inflict on the American people if he becomes President?

Mr. Obama - in his own words - is a Christian, yet he supports abortion up to and including partial birth abortion.
And while in the IL Senate declined more than once to support a law that required doctors to provide medical care for babies born after a botched abortion.
He has also, since taking office, changed his declared position and now supports gay marraige and refuses to support the Defense Of Marraige Act which he had previously promised to uphold.

Modern christianity accepts anyone who uses the word"christian" to define themselves...its the magic word,the individual is free at that point to do or believe anything because he or she is a...."christian"....Mormonism is indeed a false religion and "Mormon" is not the magic word so the modern christian votes for a man(christian) who supports abortion,even partial birth abortion and allowing babies born alive to die, and of course America's favorite sin,Homosexualityoften making excuses like "judge not" and other nonsense that removes any real responsability......now he or she feels good about themselves because they voted for a "christian" and not some evil man of a false religion....such is the logic and reason of modern christianity...it has and continues to do as much if not more damage than any other religion because it stands for nothing and has no will or ability or method of standing for anything....it is the salt that is no longer salty and has been thrown out to be walked over by men.
 

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Strat. I don't think any of us are qualified to make such generalizations covering an entire group.
It is like when Aspen has said that when Christians witness to gays, all they do is condemn them and tell them God will curse them.

I agree that Mormonism is a false religion, but how far do we take that?
You don't want a Mormon as your President, don't vote for him. If you think that is a good enough reason, then act on that reasoning.

But what if you find out that your doctor is a Mormon? Or your boss at work? Or the judge at your court appearance? Or your child's day care provider?
My opinion is, 'So what?' They have the right to be who they are.
Rockytopva 'destests' Mormonism. But that be the deciding factor as to whether that person should be President?

The only concern I can think of is if you feel the person intends to incorporate Mormon teaching into their position of authority.
Then you have the same concern that people who are non-Christian or pseudo-Christian have had when a candidate says they have "strong Christian beliefs."

But again, that is left up to the individual candidate's personal definition of what they themselves consider 'Mormon' or 'Christian' beliefs.

Mr. Obama called himself a 'strong, lifelong Christian,' yet - as we have seen - those Christian values include supporting abortion up to and including partial-birth abortion, voting against a law requiring that doctors provide medical care for babies who have survived botched abortions, openly supports gay marraige, and refuses to support the Defense of Marraige act, which he he had assured those voting for him that he would do.

So the "Christian" definition obviously didn't interfere with his agenda as President.
That is why I was asking Rockytopva - and asking again - what specifically is the concern as far as how Mr. Romney would apply his Mormon faith while President?

If there are no specifics and it is just because he's a Mormon then that resistance seems somewhat unfounded.
Especially is there is nothing in his platform that is based on Mormon teachings and conflicts with Christian teachings.
You should base your decision on what his platform is. If you agree, vote for him. If you don't, then don't.
 

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Strat. I don't think any of us are qualified to make such generalizations covering an entire group.
It is like when Aspen has said that when Christians witness to gays, all they do is condemn them and tell them God will curse them.

I agree that Mormonism is a false religion, but how far do we take that?
You don't want a Mormon as your President, don't vote for him. If you think that is a good enough reason, then act on that reasoning.

But what if you find out that your doctor is a Mormon? Or your boss at work? Or the judge at your court appearance? Or your child's day care provider?
My opinion is, 'So what?' They have the right to be who they are.
Rockytopva 'destests' Mormonism. But that be the deciding factor as to whether that person should be President?

The only concern I can think of is if you feel the person intends to incorporate Mormon teaching into their position of authority.
Then you have the same concern that people who are non-Christian or pseudo-Christian have had when a candidate says they have "strong Christian beliefs."

But again, that is left up to the individual candidate's personal definition of what they themselves consider 'Mormon' or 'Christian' beliefs.

Mr. Obama called himself a 'strong, lifelong Christian,' yet - as we have seen - those Christian values include supporting abortion up to and including partial-birth abortion, voting against a law requiring that doctors provide medical care for babies who have survived botched abortions, openly supports gay marraige, and refuses to support the Defense of Marraige act, which he he had assured those voting for him that he would do.

So the "Christian" definition obviously didn't interfere with his agenda as President.
That is why I was asking Rockytopva - and asking again - what specifically is the concern as far as how Mr. Romney would apply his Mormon faith while President?

If there are no specifics and it is just because he's a Mormon then that resistance seems somewhat unfounded.
Especially is there is nothing in his platform that is based on Mormon teachings and conflicts with Christian teachings.
You should base your decision on what his platform is. If you agree, vote for him. If you don't, then don't.

Well sure,that is the road we have been on for decades,nobody is qualified to say that there is something wrong or question anything or anybody so we continue down the path to destruction thinking the best of everything and everyone with no evidence to support it....you can say i am not qualified but you cannot argue our decline,you cannot argue our depravity as a society,you cannot argue our departure from anything resembling rightousness or decency and you cannot argue the absorbtion of what we call "christianity" into the modern culture.....the evidence is on my side,not that it matters because i don't care about that.

I read an article which i cannot find a couple of years ago by a Russian journalist who lamented our decline as a nation but put the blame right where it belongs....American pride and arrogance and it's insipid religiosity that stands for nothing,means nothing and is infintately open to endless interpretation....the bible does not describe such a faith....again the evidence is with me.
 
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rockytopva

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Where is Ross Perot when you need him?


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Or even a Mike Huckabee... Hey... I ate at Chick fil-a!

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America's fate is sealed if for no other reason than the fact that a large portion of the population is dependent,only independent people can make sound judgements about leaders because they see a leader as just tha a leader,while the dependent see them as providers...all a provider has to do is promise more stuff and they will win the votes of those who only want more stuff....the mistake the dependent and their providers make is that there must be a producer in the mix....they care nothing about producers and in fact have done everything they can to destroy them,they have gone from the moral failing of expecting something for nothing to the insanity of expecting something from nothing.
 

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Where is Ross Perot when you need him?
Or even a Mike Huckabee... Hey... I ate at Chick fil-a!

-- Actually, they both endorsed Romney....



America's fate is sealed if for no other reason than the fact that a large portion of the population is dependent,only independent people can make sound judgements about leaders because they see a leader as just tha a leader,while the dependent see them as providers...all a provider has to do is promise more stuff and they will win the votes of those who only want more stuff....the mistake the dependent and their providers make is that there must be a producer in the mix....they care nothing about producers and in fact have done everything they can to destroy them,they have gone from the moral failing of expecting something for nothing to the insanity of expecting something from nothing.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-60000-welfare-spentper-household-poverty_657889.html

Over $60,000 in Welfare Spent Per Household in Poverty


New data compiled by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee shows that, last year, the United States spent over $60,000 to support welfare programs per each household that is in poverty. The calculations are based on data from the Census, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Congressional Research Services.
"According to the Census’s American Community Survey, the number of households with incomes below the poverty line in 2011 was 16,807,795," the Senate Budget Committee notes. "If you divide total federal and state spending by the number of households with incomes below the poverty line, the average spending per household in poverty was $61,194 in 2011."
This dollar figure is almost three times the amount the average household on poverty lives on per year. "If the spending on these programs were converted into cash, and distributed exclusively to the nation’s households below the poverty line, this cash amount would be over 2.5 times the federal poverty threshold for a family of four, which in 2011 was $22,350 (see table in this link)," the Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee note.
To be clear, not all households living below the poverty line receive $61,194 worth of assistance per year. After all, many above the poverty line also receive benefits from social welfare programs (e.g. pell grants).
But if welfare is meant to help bring those below the poverty line to a better place, it helps demonstrate that numbers do not add up.
As for the welfare programs, the Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee note:
 

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I cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate. Both are excessively influenced by the military industrial complex as well as international alliances and the western financial cartel. Neither man has the nation's best interests at heart.

Instead I voted for Gary Johnson, two time governor of New Mexico and candidate for President. The Libertarian party is for small government (what a concept). That concept includes equal treatment under law for all - no exceptions. The party also works for balanced budgets in local and state governments where it is most successful. Mostly its a third tier party with success in local government. Wouldn't it be great to have the same principles extend to national government?

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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The three choices of David in 2 Samuel 4:13

1. Seven years famine
2. Flee three months before the enemies
3. Three days pestilence.

The three choices of America....

1. Mitt Romney - The Mormon
2. Barack Obama - The Liberal
3. Some other nut running against the top two

And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the Lord; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man. - 2 Samuel 24:14

Like David... I am in a great stait!
 

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Is there anyone else in this two horse race??? what happened to that Ron Paul guy? :huh:
 

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Is there anyone else in this two horse race??? what happened to that Ron Paul guy? :huh:

I'm afraid not Angelina.
Voters can write in a name but the prospect of being elected is small.

George Washington was a wise man not so the men of today.

The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die.

To place any dependence upon militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff.

Be courteous to all, but intimate with few,
 

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Is there anyone else in this two horse race??? what happened to that Ron Paul guy? :huh:


Politcally Americans can only count to two,most of the people i talked with did not support Paul's foriegn policy of staying out of other people's business,these are the same idiots,thats right i said it,who complain about all the wars...Americans want stuff and amusement and have lost connection with reality.