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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?

Hello Vid and welcome here. Being Christians, Jesus deemed all things good to eat in Acts. Except for things with the blood still in them, things strangled and food offered to idols. Christians do not and have never been under the Jewish law. That is why Christ came, to fulfill the law man could not.
There are MANY others on here who could explain this better than I, hopefully they will chime in.
God bless and lead you into ALL truth :)
 

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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?
The are certain 'foods' which are less than best to ingest. Leviticus gives us a window into this.
There are plenty of plants also which are not wise to ingest....some will twist your mind, others will stop the old ticker......some fungus's (mushrooms) you might be aware of.
We can tamper with foods also, good foods, and reduce their nutritional value or even make them unhealthy like highly processed foods.
 
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It's because many "Christians" unfortunately don't put in the time to read or study the Bible honestly, so they are bound to subscribe to various false doctrines like the myth that Christ/Paul declared an end to the dietary law. It's all rooted around people being so attached to eating pork that they'd rather do anything except believe what the Bible says.
Hello Vid and welcome here. Being Christians, Jesus deemed all things good to eat in Acts. Except for things with the blood still in them, things strangled and food offered to idols. Christians do not and have never been under the Jewish law. That is why Christ came, to fulfill the law man could not.
There are MANY others on here who could explain this better than I, hopefully they will chime in.
God bless and lead you into ALL truth :)
Acts shows very little dialogue from Christ, and even then there isn't a single passage of dialogue from Him that declared an end to the dietary law. Your argument, though it is commonly used by Romanists to disregard scripture, has no biblical basis whatsoever for these reasons:

1. It Was Not A "Jewish" Law

Genesis not only explicitly shows God's command concerning what was lawful and unlawful to eat being practiced, it also shows Noah didn't need God to explain the difference to him:

“You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;...And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him." - Gen. 7:2,5

As anyone can clearly see, it was generally understood that God consecrated certain animals for human consumption many generations before God ever mentioned it to the nation of Israel at Sinai. Jews certainly didn't invent that law because they didn't exist as a people until the northern 10 tribes rebelled against Solomon's son Rehoboam, and God never once stated anywhere that He only wanted the Jews to keep it.

2. Christ Never Declared An End To The Dietary Law

I'm assuming here that your belief that Christ declared an end to the dietary law is based on the vision Peter was given in Acts 10. However, a closer inspection of the entire chapter shows Christ's dialogue wasn't meant to be read as him saying "Christians can eat unclean meat now" because Peter eventually understood the real message Christ was communicating to him when he met Cornelius:

"Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28

3. Christ Fulfilling The Law Does Not Mean He Came To Diminish Its Authority

Matt. 5:17 is an often twisted and misquoted verse by people who attempt to disregard the Law. In this passage, Christ clearly said no one was to even think that His intention to diminish the Law's authority:

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." - Matt. 5:17

The Greek word "pleroo" that is translated as "fulfill" does not give any implication that Christ came to diminish the Law's authority. What it does imply is that Christ came to reveal the spiritual intent behind the Law, exactly as Isa. 42:21 said He would. Considering the Bible's plain teaching about Moses being a type of Christ and Moses enforced God's laws, it makes no theological sense whatsoever to portray Christ as being anti-Moses.

When Christ said He came to fulfill the Law, it was clearly within the context of fulfilling the messianic prophecies and symbolism that were contained in the Law. Christ accomplishing that does absolutely nothing to absolve the Christian of their responsibility to live by it, as Christ Himself said in verse 20:

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

The whole problem Christ had with the religious leaders that much like a lot of "Christians" today, those men paid lip service about how they lived by the scriptures while simultaneously disregarding everything Moses wrote when it proved to be inconvenient.

4. The Bible Clearly Shows Gentiles Keeping The Dietary Law

Now you say Christians didn't keep this law, but an honest examination and study of the NT show why this is simply not true:

“But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets." - Acts 24:14

This is an undeniable statement by Paul that he still believed and practiced what was in the Law, whole years after his conversion.

“For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” - Acts 15:21

That is an undeniable statement from James that says Moses was read to the Gentiles. Now if Moses was read in to Christians in the synagogues, that would obviously include instructions about which animals God designated for human consumption.

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." - 1 Tim. 4:1-3

This passage is especially important because Paul warned Timothy to be on guard against false teachers telling Christians to abstain from "foods which God created to be received". Now where in the Bible does it instructs someone about the foods God set apart to be eaten? The Law. So the obvious and logical implication is that Christians were instructed to keep the dietary law, otherwise they wouldn't be able to keep their guard up against people telling them not to eat clean meats!
 
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It's because many "Christians" unfortunately don't put in the time to read or study the Bible honestly, so they are bound to subscribe to various false doctrines like the myth that Christ/Paul declared an end to the dietary law. It's all rooted around people being so attached to eating pork that they'd rather do anything except believe what the Bible says.
Acts shows very little dialogue from Christ, and even then there isn't a single passage of dialogue from Him that declared an end to the dietary law. Your argument, though it is commonly used by Romanists to disregard scripture, has no biblical basis whatsoever for these reasons:

1. It Was Not A "Jewish" Law

Genesis not only explicitly shows God's command concerning what was lawful and unlawful to eat being practiced, it also shows Noah didn't need God to explain the difference to him:

“You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;...And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him." - Gen. 7:2,5

As anyone can clearly see, it was generally understood that God consecrated certain animals for human consumption many generations before God ever mentioned it to the nation of Israel at Sinai. Jews certainly didn't invent that law because they didn't exist as a people until the northern 10 tribes rebelled against Solomon's son Rehoboam, and God never once stated anywhere that He only wanted the Jews to keep it.

2. Christ Never Declared An End To The Dietary Law

I'm assuming here that your belief that Christ declared an end to the dietary law is based on the vision Peter was given in Acts 10. However, a closer inspection of the entire chapter shows Christ's dialogue wasn't meant to be read as him saying "Christians can eat unclean meat now" because Peter eventually understood the real message Christ was communicating to him when he met Cornelius:

"Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28

3. Christ Fulfilling The Law Does Not Mean He Came To Diminish Its Authority

Matt. 5:17 is an often twisted and misquoted verse by people who attempt to disregard the Law. In this passage, Christ clearly said no one was to even think that His intention to diminish the Law's authority:

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." - Matt. 5:17

The Greek word "pleroo" that is translated as "fulfill" does not give any implication that Christ came to diminish the Law's authority. What it does imply is that Christ came to reveal the spiritual intent behind the Law, exactly as Isa. 42:21 said He would. Considering the Bible's plain teaching about Moses being a type of Christ and Moses enforced God's laws, it makes no theological sense whatsoever to portray Christ as being anti-Moses.

When Christ said He came to fulfill the Law, it was clearly within the context of fulfilling the messianic prophecies and symbolism that were contained in the Law. Christ accomplishing that does absolutely nothing to absolve the Christian of their responsibility to live by it, as Christ Himself said in verse 20:

“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

The whole problem Christ had with the religious leaders that much like a lot of "Christians" today, those men paid lip service about how they lived by the scriptures while simultaneously disregarding everything Moses wrote when it proved to be inconvenient.

4. The Bible Clearly Shows Gentiles Keeping The Dietary Law

Now you say Christians didn't keep this law, but an honest examination and study of the NT show why this is simply not true:

“But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets." - Acts 24:14

This is an undeniable statement by Paul that he still believed and practiced what was in the Law, whole years after his conversion.

“For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” - Acts 15:21

That is an undeniable statement from James that says Moses was read to the Gentiles. Now if Moses was read in to Christians in the synagogues, that would obviously include instructions about which animals God designated for human consumption.

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." - 1 Tim. 4:1-3

This passage is especially important because Paul warned Timothy to be on guard against false teachers telling Christians to abstain from "foods which God created to be received". Now where in the Bible does it instructs someone about the foods God set apart to be eaten? The Law. So the obvious and logical implication is that Christians were instructed to keep the dietary law, otherwise they wouldn't be able to keep their guard up against people telling them not to eat clean meats!
Acts10:13
13 "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."


"But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28"

I don't see God telling Peter to "Kill" any man...besides, this has nothing to do with salvation, if we eat or not, it is unto our own consciences.
 

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Whether its eating or drinking or any habit a person is loath to give up from Coca Cola to McDonald’s or smoking a joint, even if it impacts their well being negatively, they will find a justification that suits their paradigm.
 

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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?
We eat pork because it's "the other white meat".
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Acts10:13
13 "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."

"But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28"

I don't see God telling Peter to "Kill" any man...besides, this has nothing to do with salvation, if we eat or not, it is unto our own consciences.
@Nancy The passage about Peter's vision in Acts 10 is indeed exactly relevant...
 
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Oh yeah, I got dentures...I can eat bacon again! Maybe these false teeth are not so stupid, after all!
Stupid prednisone! Lol
 
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Seems to me that mankind is stumbling around in the dark with regards covid and numerous other diseases for the precise reason being displayed in this thread. A complete disregard for the Manufacturers instructions.
You would all think I'm totally crazy for putting diesel in the petrol tank in my car. Or pouring fruit juice into the engine block instead of oil. Why? Because everyone knows the car won't operate for long because I didn't follow the manufacturers recommendations.
Ever wonder why humans live only so long instead of the 800 years of our ancestors? The decline started with sin. It then progressed down hill after the flood and the necessity of eating meat. The lesson from Daniel on diet reveals how quickly that downhill slide went.
You all realise that you eat what your meat eats right? A pig relaxing in his paddock or pen will quite happily corner a rat and add said rat to his dinner menu. And anything else that happens to pass by. Whatever disease and virus such as cancer that rat had, he passes on to the pig, which you consume with that shucks crackling and bacon you crave so much. Anything is now good for the body so long as it tastes good, and the Manufacturer can take a hike. It's my body, it's my choice right? And you then wonder why you are so weak and sickly and why God doesn't answer your prayers for healing.
 
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And when it comes to shell fish or crustaceans and those delicacies which are drooled over; did you know they are filter feeders? They are in the oceans as garbage collectors; that’s right, cleaners to filter all those pesky poisons we dump into our waterways and jump up and down about because the toxicity level is killing things.... well these little critters and others like them are working overtime for you.....and you what?? ...you love to eat them and pay top dollar into the bargain just because there’s a taste factor between your tongue and your throat....and then it’s shock horror when cancer is detected because your run down immune system can’t handle the poison build up over, what did you say?? decades? of ingesting these creatures at every opportunity.

Righty! I better shut this li’l rave down in case there’s absorption fatigue..... whew!
 
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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?
I don't eat pork anymore, unless there is nothing else to eat. Is there anything less healthy than bacon or sausage, and even ham is loaded with sodium.
 
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I don't eat pork anymore, unless there is nothing else to eat. Is there anything less healthy than bacon or sausage, and even ham is loaded with sodium.
Some food scientists cannot bring themselves to classify bacon as food. God never classified swine flesh, or shellfish, or birds and beasts of prey, as food. We read throughout scripture references to unclean animals, but I challenge anyone to find a reference in scripture to unclean food, and even a greater challenge to find clean food.
 

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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?

Because Christ declared all foods clean, simple as that. Doesn't mean you have to eat it (I don't) but simply it is not against God to do so.

“Listen to me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside of a person that is able to defile him by going into him. But the things that go out of a person are the things that defile a person.” And when he entered into the house away from the crowd, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “So are you also without understanding? Do you not understand that everything that is outside that goes into a person is not able to defile him? For it does not enter into his heart but into his stomach, and goes out into the latrine”—thus declaring all foods clean. And he said, “What comes out of a person, that defiles a person. For from within, from the heart of people, come evil plans, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders, adulteries, acts of greed, malicious deeds, deceit, licentiousness, envy, abusive speech, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a person.”

The bold is where St. Mark put the interpretation of this that he received on this statement, and so we know the division of unclean and clean foods has been abolished and fulfilled.
 
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Hi, I hope I am posting in the right forum. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

The Old Testament says we should not eat pork (Leviticus 11:7) so how come we eat some?
The Bible gives very good advice with regard to living a healthy trouble free life. Two examples would be not to use mixed fibres. Cotton, for example, cuts through wool and putting new wine into an old bottle might cause it to leak. Even today in Third World countries pigs perform a very useful function. Being scavengers they clean up human waste, with the result they become full of disease laden maggots. It may be different for us today.
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Because Christ declared all foods clean, simple as that. Doesn't mean you have to eat it (I don't) but simply it is not against God to do so.

“Listen to me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside of a person that is able to defile him by going into him. But the things that go out of a person are the things that defile a person.” And when he entered into the house away from the crowd, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “So are you also without understanding? Do you not understand that everything that is outside that goes into a person is not able to defile him? For it does not enter into his heart but into his stomach, and goes out into the latrine”—thus declaring all foods clean. And he said, “What comes out of a person, that defiles a person. For from within, from the heart of people, come evil plans, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders, adulteries, acts of greed, malicious deeds, deceit, licentiousness, envy, abusive speech, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a person.”

The bold is where St. Mark put the interpretation of this that he received on this statement, and so we know the division of unclean and clean foods has been abolished and fulfilled.
The Jews were being picky.
 
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Hello Vid and welcome here. Being Christians, Jesus deemed all things good to eat in Acts. Except for things with the blood still in them, things strangled and food offered to idols. Christians do not and have never been under the Jewish law. That is why Christ came, to fulfill the law man could not.
There are MANY others on here who could explain this better than I, hopefully they will chime in.
God bless and lead you into ALL truth :)

I don't feel Christ deemed all things good to eat in that chapter

Acts 10:13 "And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."

Many people take this, and say that God made all things edible. If this is what you think it says, you miss the whole point. This has nothing to do with food, but God is using this as an analogy. God will not allow Peter to touch these wild creatures. God did not allow Peter to eat any part of this filth, for God is using these animals to teach Peter something entirely different.

Acts 10:14 "But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."

Peter is arguing with God. The word common also means unclean. Where the previous uses of the word "unclean" were in reference to evil spirits, here it is in reference to the ceremonial uncleanness of the Levitical law. Every one of these animals and fowl were listed as unfit from the mouth of God Himself.

Acts 10:15 "And the voice spake unto him again the second time, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Remember back when Jesus was speaking to Peter, after Peter had denied Jesus three times, and Jesus told Peter also "Peter, feed My Sheep" three times.

John 21:15 "So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me more than these?" He saith unto Him, "Ye Lord; You knowest that I love Thee." He saith unto him, "Feed My lambs."

Jesus' lambs are the Christians that are new converts, and need the milk of the Word, they need to be taught the basics.

John 21:16 "He saith to him again the second time, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me?" He saith unto Him, "Yea, Lord; Thou knowest that I love Thee."

These sheep in the Greek text are "probation" they are not the real young sheep, but ones that need more then just milk.

John 21:17 "He saith unto him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me?" Peter was grieved because He said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou Me?" and he said unto Him, "Lord, thou knowest all things; Thou knowest that I love Thee." Jesus saith unto him, "Feed My sheep"

The sheep mentioned here are those that are seasoned in the Word, the more mature sheep that desire the more meat of the Word. God is telling Peter to teach all his sheep, even the more mature Christians. God spoke to peter three times for emphesis to make a point, and that is what is He is doing here also to Peter.

What this is refering to here in Acts, is not eating our animals, but People, Gentile people that had been considered polluted and unclean before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God is not talking about the food you eat, nor has He changed any part of His health laws. Scavenger food, and swine and the sorts, that were not to be eaten, are still not to be eaten. This is an analogy that has to do with the Gentile peoples.