DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?

[quietthinker]

Besides 2 Timothy 3: 16 & 17, All Scripture = Holy Bible, even 'twisting' it's doctrine and the scripture, they are 'lies' from the devil.

Paul is specific in 2 Thessalonians 2:11
Strong delusion is directly connected to THE lie. It's not a general nebulous non-descript lie. It is primarily a specific lie.

 

[MatthewG]

The Man of Lawlessness

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

Before Jesus had really come as soon as promised in Johns written Revelation. Paul is simply correcting on them, the people in Thessalonika, not to believe on anyone whom has said he had come then in their time, which he is writing. That is how I take it personally... because when you continue on forward from Thessalonians you get to Revelation eventually, and in there it stated that Jesus is coming soon, quickly, the time is near or at hand. Paul is just correcting the people to not believe the lie, continue to wait, watch and not lose hope and faith.

 

[quietthinker]

Besides 2 Timothy 3: 16 & 17, All Scripture = Holy Bible, even 'twisting' it's doctrine and the scripture, they are 'lies' from the devil.

in fact, I might add, it is a lie so convincing it appears as the truth.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @quietthinker, while many people believe that Jesus is still coming back. There are many people out there that rarely read the bible itself, they don't consider what is being said in there, and sometimes it is simply because they don't care. That is okay though. All the people at my work, looked at their phone more than a book itself.

 

[quietthinker]

in fact, I might add, it is a lie so convincing it appears as the truth.

@Fred J
It is THE lie which spawns every other lie.

 

[ScottA]

So, should folks pray directly to you or do you accept inquiries electronically thru your Space Book page being way out there and all?

How do the people get in touch with the greatest mind ever to visit here at Christianity Board.com?

It sounds like you are right up there with the Apostle n stuff, wow! Even been on Oprah?

You mock like you are one of those who, with all that is written, still doesn't have a clue how God works. Go ahead, mock.

 

[ScottA]

Scripturally, Paul mentions 'strong delusion' is sent by GOD during the reign of 'anti-Christ'.

Since the world loved and continue in 'darkness' and 'lies', rather than the 'Light' and 'truth'.

Things you mentioned likewise happened during the time of the Apostles' witnessing in the field and church.

They are false converts from the false church and authorities operating on their own accord.

Besides the Apostles and their established churches on the other hand.

According to them these authorities in the beginning were with them, but shortly decided to go ahead on their own. (1John2:18&19)

And since established churches on their own having gathered false converts, some ordained as 'evangelists' and 'missionaries' themselves.

They've visited the churches of the Apostles in their absence, even providing supporting letters from their elders, as ordained ministers.

In regards the Apostles in their 'epistles' cautioned their churches of them, as 'imposters' and 'counterfeits'.

Whom soon will be 'shipwrecked', and even though the 'anti-Christ' have not come, but the 'spirit of anti-Christ' is already present.

Even Paul proclaimed, that any one who preach another gospel from theirs, let him be 'accursed'.

This is merely am sharing what is given to me and scripturally ordained to be the 'truth', thank you.

Shalom in Jesus name

Yes, unfortunately for many, the core principles of the most popular current common doctrine stems from those original lies past down now for centuries as being traditionally acceptable. As such, we should all question what is now being taught--and especially what we ourselves were taught and have believed. Alternatively, we stand to repeat the mistakes of Israel who thought they knew better, but unknowingly rejected Christ.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You mock like you are one of those who, with all that is written, still doesn't have a clue how God works. Go ahead, mock.

Some folks think of themselves more highly than they ought to... like they are the Lord and people should follow them.

A true minister of the true Gospel points people to the Lord, to have their own personal relationship with the Lord and to be taught His Word by THE Teacher Who is the Holy Spirit because each person should have the Lord first place in their heart... not some goofy preacher.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Matthew 23:9-11
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Some folks desire to be followed and desire others to think of them as big shots and in authority over others.... which is how one can tell they are not servants and as such... not being led by the Holy Ghost when they demand that others accept what they say as being on the same level as what the Lord says in His Word.
Hang in their bud... maybe you'll get it someday!

 

[quietthinker]

A true minister of the true Gospel points people to the Lord, to have their own personal relationship with the Lord and to be taught His Word by THE Teacher Who is the Holy Spirit because each person should have the Lord first place in their heart... not some goofy preacher.

Perhaps you can point us to the Lord, Dan. Give us something secure to hang our hat on instead of mocking and patronising and telling others how wrong they are?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Perhaps you can point us to the Lord, Dan. Give us something secure to hang our hat on instead of mocking and patronising and telling others how wrong they are?

I cannot have a relationship with the Lord on your behalf, and neither can anybody else... that's something you will have to do on your own

 

[rockytopva]

Correction... I find many judging others spirituality in which they are just as bad as the people they are trying to judge.

 

[marks]

Apparently not.

Don't lose heart. It's not everyone.

Much love!

 

[rockytopva]

Correction... I find many judging others spirituality in which they are just as bad as the people they are trying to judge.

I heard a judgement just this month in which a family member was judging another of being not really that happy... In which... After knowing the family member... He is just as unhappy! Such corrections... Made by people just as bad... Is to me very depressing!

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? - Romans 2

 

[ScottA]

Some folks think of themselves more highly than they ought to... like they are the Lord and people should follow them.

A true minister of the true Gospel points people to the Lord, to have their own personal relationship with the Lord and to be taught His Word by THE Teacher Who is the Holy Spirit because each person should have the Lord first place in their heart... not some goofy preacher. View attachment 56164

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Matthew 23:9-11
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Some folks desire to be followed and desire others to think of them as big shots and in authority over others.... which is how one can tell they are not servants and as such... not being led by the Holy Ghost when they demand that others accept what they say as being on the same level as what the Lord says in His Word.
Hang in their bud... maybe you'll get it someday! View attachment 56165

Look who's preaching. Good tip!

 

[quietthinker]

I cannot have a relationship with the Lord on your behalf, and neither can anybody else... that's something you will have to do on your own

I'm not asking you to have a relationship with the Lord for me. You might want to revisit the question.

 

[ScottA]

I heard a judgement just this month in which a family member was judging another of being not really that happy... In which... After knowing the family member... He is just as unhappy! Such corrections... Made by people just as bad... Is to me very depressing!

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? - Romans 2

The point is not judgement, but about the correction necessary to go from "believing a lie" and "great apostacy" to "being led unto all truth."

How do you see this biblically purposed transition occurring?

 

[rockytopva]

The point is not judgement, but about the correction necessary to go from "believing a lie" and "great apostacy" to "being led unto all truth."

How do you see this biblically purposed transition occurring?

I do not like the transitions. I was speaking against the "Wicked" movie and my niece contradicted me and gave me the roll the eyes "it is no big deal look." So things biblically wrong must be addressed. My point is that if you address something biblically wrong do not be just as bad as the people you are judging!

 

[talons]

Honestly this is how it is most of the time .

DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?​

No , they always want to be right .

 

[ScottA]

I do not like the transitions. I was speaking against the "Wicked" movie and my niece contradicted me and gave me the roll the eyes "it is no big deal look." So things biblically wrong must be addressed. My point is that if you address something biblically wrong do not be just as bad as the people you are judging!

Okay, and you said "you" which you may have meant of me personally, or as a general statement of anyone. But it doesn't matter.

Regardless, again the issue and topic is not really judging others. In other words, biblically speaking there were Judges who rightly judged, and certainly there are people who wrongly judge others. But this topic is more about declared or prophetic truth, and the idea that with the problem of believing a lie and great apostacy, we should even expect correction in order to see a fulfillment of being led unto all truth. Which is not to say, correction from persons, but from God. Which just may happen according to His established methods.

What I find absolutely amazing--or rather crazy--is that there are those RIGHT NOW posting on this thread who have acted against the idea of God making such a biblical and historic transition by His own well established methods.

 

[ElieG12]

... Paul foretold the believing of a "lie" causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy. And yet few if any seem to have taken it to heart--that corrections would need to come, or the church would be found apostate.

Which church?

And worse, most seem determined to defend those foretold realities of false doctrines on a grand scale, to the death.

Which "false doctrines"? All and each one of the more than 40 thousands sects, communities and religious institutions, beside all and each one of the independent individuals with personal interpretations who call themselves "Christian" have doctrinal differences in more than one biblical topic.

It is absolutely crazy that there is such a disregard for the warnings--when they too are written and true!

And still crazier is thinking that there is something that can be fixed in the confused religious part of this world... included Christendom with all it involves.

PS: JWs are not part of that.