Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?

[Scott Downey]

So you continue to reject God's Word as He spoke thru His Apostles in these scripture references....

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Those scriptures do not deal with the truth that man is a fallen creature and makes bad choices according to his evil nature which he himself as scripture shows is aligned with Satan and seeks to do the devil's will, not God's will.

Jesus said of people like that in this way. v19-20

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”


God must show mercy towards someone, opening their heart for them to believe in Christ.
Otherwise, no one would believe in Christ.
God does that by teaching them by His Spirit because God granted them to know Him. And God does not do that for everyone does He.

So therefore, God may desire all to repent and believe, But God only grants some to know God.

Just like Jesus says in John 6, and here in Luke 10, saved people should rejoice their names God has written in His heaven.
Implying the others have not had their names written in heaven.

The Seventy Return with Joy​

17 Then the [e]seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”

18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but [f]rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

Jesus Rejoices in the Spirit​

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.

22 All[g] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”


Revealed the things of salvation only to babes, and not all people.
The truth of Christ HIDDEN by God to others God has not willed to know Him.
That is a choice God made.

And, no one knows God and Christ unless the Godhead wills for them to know Himself, GOD. That is God's choice to make.

God's will be done, and it is done.

 

[Scott Downey]

About granting faith and salvation to only some,

If God does not grant that to a person, they will remain captured by the devil to do the devil's will

Because God did not grant this, many walk away from Christ to this very day, you do understand salvation is an actual gift of God to a person, not for the unbelieving world, who God does not grant to come to Christ. It is written clear as a shining day in the sun.

The reason the ones who remained believing, is God has granted them to know Himself.

Many Disciples Turn Away​

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

 

[Scott Downey]

Your very belief God has granted, which is why you continue to believe in Christ, God has given you an anointing from His Spirit to know the truth which is Christ. According to the scripture, universalism is a satanic inspired lie.

Philippians 1
29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,

30 since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had, and now hear that I still have.

People think they figure it out on their own , scripture tells us differently.

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith

I wonder how many of you really believe the scriptures?
Maybe you should pay better attention. If you do not align yourselves with God, you are a walking doctrinal disaster, scripture says, let not many of you be teachers, because you will incur a stricter judgement. And why not, who wants to be finding out at the judgment they did not speak what is right. Which means you were teaching lies in God's name. So also did Job's counselors speak about God.

1 John 2

Deceptions of the Last Hour​

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Let Truth Abide in You​

24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

The Children of God​

28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that [h]when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

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[Dan Clarkston]

So you believe in the EVERLASTING fire where BILLIONS will spend eternity?

You aren't even capable to staying on topic... sad
English must not be your first language

So anyway, show me in any of my posts where I said there is no hell.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Those scriptures do not deal with the truth that man is a fallen creature and makes bad choices according to his evil nature which he himself as scripture shows is aligned with Satan and seeks to do the devil's will, not God's will.

It does however prove that God wants all people to be saved and has provided a way for all to be saved.... which is the topic of discussion

God's will be done, and it is done.

So you think it was God's will for Adam and Eve to reject Him and align themselves with satan?

If you claim God's will is always carried out.... then you must admit that you believe God wanted Adam and Eve to sin.

And, if God's will is always carried out then that sin you did a while back.... you admit that God wanted you to do that sinful thing? It was His will for you to sin?

This something that came out of the calvinist cult and is something calvinists share with islam.... as both claim that all things that happen, happend because God wanted it to happen and God actually caused it to happen.

So the calvinists and the muzlims believe.... when the child molesters rape little children, God not only wanted the child to be raped, they think God actually CAUSED the child to be raped apparently because they think God enjoys evil and wants / make evil to happen

They make God out to be some sort of monster because.... the god they serve is actually satan

 

[Jack]

You aren't even capable to staying on topic... sad View attachment 59614
English must not be your first language

The topic is about Hell. How ironic.

So anyway, show me in any of my posts where I said there is no hell.

Why would a simple question upset you?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why would a simple question upset you?

I'm not upset.... I run across lots of folks that don't understand english who cannot carry on a coherent conversation

Actually I don't really care what you believe since you don't accept the whole counsel of God and are a proven cherry picker who only believes bits and pieces of what the Lord says.

Hang in there bud.... maybe you'll get it one of these days!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The topic is about Hell. How ironic.

Uh huh, and it was you that started asking questions about other things and got the topic off track

 

[Jack]

I'm not upset.... I run across lots of folks that don't understand english who cannot carry on a coherent conversation

Actually I don't really care what you believe since you don't accept the whole counsel of God and are a proven cherry picker who only believes bits and pieces of what the Lord says.

Hang in there bud.... maybe you'll get it one of these days! View attachment 59616

Nice fairy tale!

 

[Jack]

Uh huh, and it was you that started asking questions about other things and got the topic off track

You mean questions that you don't like?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Nice fairy tale!

That's your doctrine in a nut shell right there.... a rainbow fantasy fairy tail for corrupt minds!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You mean questions that you don't like?

I liked the question.... you disliked the answer because it came from scriptures that you reject.

 

[Jack]

That's your doctrine in a nut shell right there.... a rainbow fantasy fairy tail for corrupt minds! View attachment 59618

You shouldn't say things like that about the Bible. Judgment Day is coming soon.

 

[Jack]

I liked the question.... you disliked the answer because it came from scriptures that you reject.

I don't reject any Scriptures! I LOVE them! The Bible is the written Word of God!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You shouldn't say things like that about the Bible

In other words... you are the ONLY one teaching God's Word and every other person on the planet that is a Christian has it wrong if they don't bow down to your opinions which are not even based on all that the Lord says... got it.

I don't reject any Scriptures! I LOVE them! The Bible is the written Word of God!

You have already rejected numerous scripture passages since they do not fit in to your preconceived ideas... too late to claim you accept all of God's Word since you have already proven that you actually don't.

That's how the false teachers roll.... they don't accept all of what God says.

 

[Jack]

In other words... you are the ONLY one teaching God's Word

Nah, there's a few others. Even some here!

and every other person on the planet that is a Christian has it wrong if they don't bow down to your opinions which are not even based on all that the Lord says... got it.

What did I say that upset you so much?

You have already rejected numerous scripture passages since they do not fit in to your preconceived ideas... too late to claim you accept all of God's Word since you have already proven that you actually don't.

Prove it.

That's how the false teachers roll.... they don't accept all of what God says. View attachment 59621

How ironic!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Prove it.

Already did.... obviously understanding what you are reading is something you have a very hard time with.

Feel free to go back and re-read the thread as need as try to get a handle on what was said.... or not.

Those such as yourself that don't accept the whole counsel of God are to be ignored!

 

[Jack]

Already did....

No you didn't.

obviously understanding what you are reading is something you have a very hard time with.

Are you having a really bad day?

Feel free to go back and re-read the thread as need as try to get a handle on what was said.... or not.

So you made a false accusation!

Those such as yourself that don't accept the whole counsel of God are to be ignored! View attachment 59626

I hope your day improves!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Are you having a really bad day?

I'm having a GREAT Day homie.... feel free to go try and gaslight someone else... I'm not falling for for the BULLoney

 

[Jack]

I'm having a GREAT Day homie.... feel free to go try and gaslight someone else... I'm not falling for for the BULLoney View attachment 59644

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If this is your good day I'd hate to see a bad one.