Does anyone know what OSAS stands for?

[Mantis]

Thank God for that one. I was getting interested in your doctrine, but if you were just another unrighteous christian sinner accusing everyone else of being the same, then it would have ended there.

I don't argue with false accusers of the brethren anymore, but just rebuke them and move on.

I am not judging anyone over anything. God is the judge. I am at the point in my life that I really don't care what other people do at all. It will all come back on their own heads and I have no control over other people. I have been tough that we all sin regardless if we are saved or not. The difference is God is living in the Christians and cutting sin from their life which is a lifelong process. I have been tough that if you come to the place where you think you are sinless then you are blind by pride.

 

[robert derrick]

I just know I sin and if I say I don't I would be kidding myself.

Ok, let me help you. No more theoretical physics theology: declare the sinning you know you did last, or do now.

If not, then you need to believe Scripture, and not your own mind and conscience, that the devil is playing with.

Scripture tells us what God says sin is, Man does not decide what sin is. Man's righteousness is filthy rags with God.

Not too mention an overzealous and hyper-sensitive humility, that is more humiliating than is humbleness before God.

I am not perfect like our Lord and to say I am would be a lie. I hear him. He is here so I know I will be alright. But I know that I am not in a perfected state.

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Where does Scripture ever say the man Jesus was perfect? He did all things well, and went about doing God, and I am quite sure if He hit His thumb, rather than the nail, then He did not curse God, life, the devil, nor Himself: He was God in mortal flesh, and so He was a man as you and I, though without having ever sinned by temptation of the devil to do so.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Perfectness in Christ is wholeness, completeness, single eyed love of God, and not double hearted sinning for the devil, while seeking to love God.

If there is no unrighteous thoughts and lusting for sins of the world within our hearts, then we are what Jesus Christ comes to do with power: to become pure in heart sons of God, Sinless in thought and word and deed as He is in this world. (1 John 5)

And He is still in this world with His flesh and His bones: His purified whole hearted saints by grace.

But I know that I am not in a perfected state. .

The perfected state you speak of is blessed resurrection of the bodies of the saints, where with immortalized spiritual bodies, they will have no more temptation to endure, nor sinning to overcome, even as when Jesus the man died on the cross.

The war and fight against sinning will be over.

You confuse it with living holily, righteously, and blamelessly living with a pure heart in this life, even as Jesus did in all the days of His very own flesh and bones on earth.

I have been taught that we still sin unconsciously, we don't know we are sinning. Is that wrong?

Well, brother, there you go. There is no 'unknown' sinning god nor spirit within us.

Either prove it to yourself in Scripture, or be rid of that ignorance tradition, that is passed on consciously by someone else: don't let yourself be made a proselyte of false tradition, but be more noble than that and search all Scripture, to see if it is indeed true doctrine of God or not.

Paul didn't mind, and neither should any honest teacher. You need to demand where Scripture says that, or correct them for teaching from their own subconscious minds consciously.

I just don't feel like a human being can cease from sin on earth as we are in sin prone vessels.

And so the ol' born with sin nature theology. Your feelings are based upon false teaching, not upon Scripture as written.

All flesh is grass, and is mortal, not sinful. Jesus was made of the seed of David in the flesh: mortally, not sinfully: no man's physical seed is sinful, nor has some sin spirit with in it.

That is borderline pagan spiritism in the grass and the trees.

Those who made up that false teaching, did so to excuse their sinning with the flesh. Even the world does so, if they believe it: "Hey, it's not my fault, I was born this way." Of even worse, "God made me this way".

The body is neither the natural man of sin, nor the old man of sin. Our souls are the sinners with the body, not our bodies despite our souls:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The body only dies because it's naturally made mortal like every other living creature on earth, created good by God n the beginning: being mortal is not evil, but only natural.

Just think one second: we are supposed to walk around beating our chests for having mortal flesh??

Sounds like those monks in Monty Python, walking around beating their heads with their big bible books.

 

[robert derrick]

I have been tough that if you come to the place where you think you are sinless then you are blind by pride.

Prove your doctrine by Scripture.

In the meantime, if you want to believe you are sinner somewhere in your subconscience, then I'm not going to rid you of your comfort zone.

I completely agree with your statement otherwise, but while you are not seeking to judge others, nor even care what they are doing, which is good, then you might also add not applying your personal doctrines, feelings, and ways of thinking to others, and so declaring they are sinning like you.

Especially not on a sight like this.

Preach your doctrine, let it be challenged or agreed with by others to see if it is sound by Scripture, but don't judge others by it, unless you can prove it by Scripture.

Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

You see, the problem you have is, you are steeping in the middle of a war that self-confessed unrighteous christians sinners are waging against the righteous sons of God, and declaring them all to be self-righteous boasting Pharisees of the devil.

There sitll be Cain's children out there seeking out the righteous Abel's to slander and kill if necessary.

 

[Mantis]

Interesting stuff. You guys have made me question my preacher. Is my teacher just someone itching ears? He seems to truly love Jesus and people. He helps the homeless and has a church that doesn’t ask for money. He is an OSAS. I also listen to a lot of Christian radio , Calvary chapel stuff. I don’t agree with everything they teach though. You guys are the first people I have ever met that says Christians cease from sin. Very interesting.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You guys are the first people I have ever met that says Christians cease from sin. Very interesting.

I pray you will look further into the scriptures.

 

[robert derrick]

Interesting stuff. You guys have made me question my preacher. Is my teacher just someone itching ears? He seems to truly love Jesus and people. He helps the homeless and has a church that doesn’t ask for money. He is an OSAS. I also listen to a lot of Christian radio , Calvary chapel stuff. I don’t agree with everything they teach though. You guys are the first people I have ever met that says Christians cease from sin. Very interesting.

I learned some time ago the hard way: It's not about the preachers, pastors, ministers, teachers, prophets, etc...

It's about my soul, and they will not stand with me to answer for my soul. Since we will stand alone before God, we alone must make our own decisions for God, and so must believe firmly for ourselves the Scriptures as we read them.

Not as someone else understands them. We don not believe someone simply by virtue of their position in life.

And we don't have to agree with everything the preacher is preaching, if we am being blessed by it. Nor do we have to make issue about it.

But, if we are asked, then we are to have a ready answer as to why we believe, as well as what we do by faith.

You guys are the first people I have ever met that says Christians cease from sin. Very interesting.

Understand one simple thing first: Now is all that matters between us and God. Our last step on earth will be all that matters for eternity, whether sinning unto death or doing righteously unto life.

So, be pure in heart now, and know the peace of Jesus that passes understanding, neither worries about sinning later, nor about some 'secret sinning', we don't even know about.

Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.

If 'secret sins' are not being made known to us by the Spirit, then they may indeed mean there aren't any.

Ask the preacher what 'secret sins' are, then come let me know.

 

[Robert Gwin]

unfortunately that is true.

I never try and assure another person they are saved. There are to many warning passages in Scripture. There are things like strive to enter in the narrow gate, many who call Me Lord Lord shall not enter the kingdom, examine yourselves to see whether or not you are in the faith, its those who finish the race, those who endure until the end, those in the parables who remain faithful, finish what they started to build, have their lamps full, are ready in the middle of the night prepared for His coming at a time you do not know etc.......

I disagree Chris, many people become Christians, if no more deceived ones were to be gathered, then our work would be finished and the end would come Mat 24:14

 

[ChristisGod]

I disagree Chris, many people become Christians, if no more deceived ones were to be gathered, then our work would be finished and the end would come Mat 24:14

its why in the end Jesus separates the tares from the wheat. on this side we do not know which is why Jesus says to many who call Him Lord Lord- I never knew you depart from Me.

what I said earlier has nothing to do with sharing the gospel.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Robert Gwin]

its why in the end Jesus separates the tares from the wheat. on this side we do not know which is why Jesus says to many who call Him Lord Lord- I never knew you depart from Me.

what I said earlier has nothing to do with sharing the gospel.

hope this helps !!!

Actually Chris we do know why, Jesus gave the answer in verse 21, perhaps you didn't pick up on it. Those lawless ones loved Jesus, and they did many powerful works in his name, so why did Jesus reject them? They chose to worship in their own way rather than doing the will of God. Jesus clearly stated that, you have to do the will of God sir, and that is where they fell short. Christians have an assignment, to spread the good news to the ends of the earth Mat 24:14, since we are still going this is still our assignment, therefore some are still being gathered. Like you said the wheat and weeds will be fully separated in the end, it is their acceptance or rejection of the Kingdom message that separate them. Think of all those glorious things some do in Jesus name, they build glamorous temples, hospitals, soup kitchens, residences, etc for others in Jesus' name, yet not teaching others to observe all the things Jesus commanded. That is why he rejected them.