Does anyone know what OSAS stands for?

[robert derrick]

Yes, not consciously though.

You only sin when unconscious?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the example of Manasseh shows that even cast away reprobates, whom God is giving up on today, can still be drawn by His mercy

Yes. That’s why I said “many”, not all.

 

[Mantis]

Yes, and so does the Bible:

“Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.” (1 Peter 4:1-2)

So don’t live the rest of your time in the flesh to the lusts of men.

I am in the process of suffering in the flesh. It is horrible. God has been pruning my tree the last few years. So he is systemically cutting sin from me. Have you suffered in the flesh and have ceased from sin?

 

[Mantis]

You only sin when unconscious?

Funny

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Have you suffered in the flesh and have ceased from sin?

Yes.

But it’s worth it.

“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18)

 

[robert derrick]

Right? If you repent and accept Jesus’ to forgive your sins I assume it means ALL of your sins. Not just the sins before you were saved as you will sin again.

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

Prophets of future sinning are obviously false prophets, who write their own scripture of their own faith.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Believing sinful prophecy of unrighteous christian sinners is not good for sound mind and judgement.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

 

[Mantis]

Yes.

But it’s worth it.

“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18)

Trust me you sin.

 

[Mantis]

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

Prophets of future sinning are obviously false prophets, who write their own scripture of their own faith.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Believing sinful prophecy of unrighteous christian sinners is not good for sound mind and judgement.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I wasn’t alive at the time that Jesus died for me. All of the sins of the world were future. He died for all of my sins. Not just some of them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Trust me you sin.

“For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.” (Proverbs 23:7)

I trust God and know his word is true.

If you think you can’t stop sinning, then that will be your reality.

 

[robert derrick]

I am in the process of suffering in the flesh. It is horrible. God has been pruning my tree the last few years. So he is systemically cutting sin from me. Have you suffered in the flesh and have ceased from sin?

Yes, first within the heart, and so easily in the flesh.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The ladening to be delivered of is lust, unrighteous thought, and vain imagination for sinning within the heart and soul and mind.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

If you are sincerely double hearted and know the wretchedness of it, as Paul and I have in Romans 7, then let me help your deliverance from it:

Begin with purifying your heart first: don't try to fight sinning in the flesh, with the flesh. All sin begins with lust and unrighteous thoughts for sinning, and so if we allow lust to remain within our hearts, then we cannot possibly defeat sinning with the flesh.

We stand no chance against temptation to sin with the flesh, so long as we are lusting for it within: we do not have power of will to stop sinning physically with an unclean heart: Christ is not a will power Saviour.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believe and receive Jesus with His power to put away all unrighteous imagination for sinning within your heart and mind first, and you will not fulfill it in your flesh either. Then we simply guard our hearts and keep ourselves from the devil touching us with his fiery darts within.

Here are Scriptures to believe and do for your deliverance in Romans 8:

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The secret and mystery of the fellowship in Christ Jesus, to overcome all flesh as He did, is of obeying the Spirit within our hearts first: after all, if we lust to do something, then we want to do it, and will do so. But if we have no lust, nor even thought taken to do it, how can we do so bodily?

It's one thing to sin because we lust to, but who sins against their own soul, when they don't even have nor recieve any thoughts to do so?

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Remember this: no believer in Jesus as Christ and Lord of our souls, has to take anymore of the devil's unrighteous thoughts for sinning with the flesh.

This the true spiritual warfare and good fight of the saints daily: the victory over the flesh is already won, when the victory over lust for the flesh is already purged from within.

If we resist and rebuke him from our hearts now, we are free, and we can remain free indeed if tomorrow comes.

God is the God of here and now, and Jesus is ready and powerful to save and deliver the heart, mind, and soul now and today:

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

If you believe and do these things with Christ for your own souls sake at any time, then your victory will come much quicker and sooner than you think.

Conclusion: care nothing about what you may do in future, and care only for what you are thinking now:

Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

A mind stayed on Jesus begins with a mind cleared of the devil.

Know something: I did not take these Scriptures seriously, especially 2 Cor 10:4-5, after being a holiness Christian for 2 decades, while living blamelessly on the outside, but still finding lust and unrest on the inside.

Now, I know the true peace that Jesus gives in heart and mind today, even now, because He commanded me to do the Scripture as written, and with the fear of the Lord not to fail Him, I began doing so and He came with power to help me win, and staying winning.

The world gives peace by conquering enemies outwardly, but Jesus gives true peace by overcoming our spiritual enemy inwardly.

 

[Mantis]

“For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.” (Proverbs 23:7)

I trust God and know his word is true.

If you think you can’t stop sinning, then that will be your reality.

What I think is the only person that lead a sin free life was Jesus. I'll bet you can't get through the day without sinning and you don't even know it. I am not aware of sin in my life but I am sure there is some as no one can please God in the flesh. I do not think I am holy like Jesus. I think I am just a sinner to the core and I need Jesus every day. I think if you get to the point in your life that you made it and you are sin free that you need to be real careful.

 

[Mantis]

Yes, first within the heart, and so easily in the flesh.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The ladening to be delivered of is lust, unrighteous thought, and vain imagination for sinning within the heart and soul and mind.

If you are sincerely double hearted and know the wretchedness of it, as Paul and I have in Romans 7, then let me help your deliverance from it:

Begin with purifying your heart first: don't try to fight sinning in the flesh, with the flesh. All sin begins with lust and unrighteous thoughts for sinning, and so if we allow lust to remain within our hearts, then we cannot possibly defeat sinning with the flesh.

We stand no chance against temptation to sin with the flesh, so long as we are lusting for it within: we do not have power of will to stop sinning physically with an unclean heart: Christ is not a will power Saviour.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believe and receive Jesus with His power to put away all unrighteous imagination for sinning within your heart and mind first, and you will not fulfill it in your flesh either. Then we simply guard our hearts and keep ourselves from the devil touching us with his fiery darts within.

Here are Scriptures to believe and do for your deliverance in Romans 8:

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The secret and mystery of the fellowship in Christ Jesus, to overcome all flesh as He did, is of obeying the Spirit within our hearts first: after all, if we lust to do something, then we want to do it, and will do so. But if we have no lust, nor even thought taken to do it, how can we do so bodily?

It's one thing to sin because we lust to, but who sins against their own soul, when they don't even have nor recieve any thoughts to do so?

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Remember this: no believer in Jesus as Christ and Lord of our souls, has to take anymore of the devil's unrighteous thoughts for sinning with the flesh.

This the true spiritual warfare and good fight of the saints daily: the victory over the flesh is already won, when the victory over lust for the flesh is already purged from within.

If we resist and rebuke him from our hearts now, we are free, and we can remain free indeed if tomorrow comes.

God is the God of here and now, and Jesus is ready and powerful to save and deliver the heart, mind, and soul now and today:

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

If you believe and do these things with Christ for your own souls sake at any time, then your victory will come much quicker and sooner than you think.

Conclusion: care nothing about what you may do in future, and care only for what you are thinking now:

Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

A mind stayed on Jesus begins with a mind cleared of the devil.

I have his peace. Lust has been pruned as far as I can tell. But I am sure I sin. I cannot believe you guys claim not to sin. Jesus was the only one who lived a sinless life.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus was the only one who lived a sinless life.

So Jesus did not come to take sin away?

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29)

If sin continues in you Christ didn’t take them away. And the works of the Devil continue:

“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

It seems you are still in a carnal minded attitude:

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” (Romans 8:7-8)

 

[Mantis]

So Jesus did not come to take sin away?

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29)

If sin continues in you Christ didn’t take them away. And the works of the Devil continue:

“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

It seems you are still in a carnal minded attitude:

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” (Romans 8:7-8)

We are all in the flesh?

 

[robert derrick]

I wasn’t alive at the time that Jesus died for me. All of the sins of the world were future.

He was dying for the sins of the world that very day. Which are the only sins He forgives, because they are the only sins that need forgiveness: only sins committed need forgiveness for sinning.

What if the Father, during that three hours of darkness over all the earth, had decided to end the world at that time? No more sinning that day, nor in future.

I wasn’t alive at the time that Jesus died for me. All of the sins of the world were future. He died for all of my sins. Not just some of them.

True, but no man receives that forgiveness and remission of sins, until he confesses and repents of them:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Scripture says we are forgiven of sins past, and you are saying sins present and future. That's your doctrine, not God's. How can anyone be forgiven of presently sinning for the devil? Or less of future sins, when tomorrow may not even come to commit sin in? There is no need for forgiveness, where there is no sinning. No man had any sinning to be forgiven, until he sinned on earth. All men, save one, have sinned on earth, and so all men need His forgiveness bought for them at the cross, by confessing and repenting for His name's sake.

The price is paid, but paid for remission is not recieved, until we repent and believe Him and His gospel: He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, but no man nor the world is already forgiven, because the man Jesus died on a cross long ago.

If we say we are not of the devil while sinning against God, but are also a born son of God at the same time, then there is no hope for us, because we are believing a strong delusion to be damned by.

Are you saying you are not of the devil, but a born son of God, while committing the sin of fornication? Adultery? Theft? Bearing false witness? Rape? Murder? Cursing your neighbor?

And, furthermore, so long as you insist on prophesying and judging everyone else to be sinning just like you, then you also make yourself an accuser of the brethren.

You, at this time, think to prophesy sinning for all christians, while Jesus commands otherwise.

You need to seriously reconsider your doctrine for sinning, and being a saved son of God at the same time.

The past is gone, and the future may not be, and so only now and today matters to our souls:

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We are all in the flesh?

“…they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...” (Romans 8:8-9)

 

[Mantis]

I just know I sin and if I say I don't I would be kidding myself. I am not perfect like our Lord and to say I am would be a lie. I hear him. He is here so I know I will be alright. But I know that I am not in a perfected state. I am like a different person though. A totally different person than before. I know that he is working in me. I have been taught that we still sin unconsciously, we don't know we are sinning. Is that wrong? I just don't feel like a human being can cease from sin on earth as we are in sin prone vessels.

 

[Mantis]

Are you saying you are not of the devil, but a born son of God, while committing the sin of fornication? Adultery? Theft? Bearing false witness? Rape? Murder? Cursing your neighbor?

Of course not.

 

[robert derrick]

I have his peace. Lust has been pruned as far as I can tell. But I am sure I sin. I cannot believe you guys claim not to sin. Jesus was the only one who lived a sinless life.

I see, all you are doing is ascribing your unknown sinning theory to everyone else. You accuse others of sinning, and those who know sound doctrine of Christ, also know what sinning is, and what sinning is not, and unknown subconscious sinning is certainly not.

I know every thought, intent, and imagination coming to my heart: I know, because I cast away the vain and unrighteous ones, and keep that which is of the Lord only:

(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Therefore, I also most certainly know the last time I did sin with the flesh, and it's nobody's business but mine, the Lord, and any person involved. And yes, today it is forgiven and repented of. I also know the device of the devil that led me to do it, and so lesson learned.

Sin is defined clearly and plainly by the law of Christ, that we may know what sin exactly is, both inwardly and outwardly with the flesh:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness...

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Jesus was the only one who lived a sinless life.

And so also His flesh and bones on earth.

No man while sinning for the devil is not of the devil, but is a born son of God and of His flesh and His bones on earth.

If you want to angst over your unknown sins, go ahead. I have a real devil to resist daily.

 

[robert derrick]

Of course not.

Thank God for that one. I was getting interested in your doctrine, but if you were just another unrighteous christian sinner accusing everyone else of being the same, then it would have ended there.

I don't argue with false accusers of the brethren anymore, but just rebuke them and move on.